Nyzul Isle Initial Findings

[Kilik]

For people that are going to do floor 100, I wonder what would happen if the person with the disk logged off or used the fireflies before the group went up to floor 100. Would the game still be able to erase the disk if the person wasnt there? Anyone can click the Rune to go from floor 21 to 22, but does the disk holder have to be the one to click to go from 99 to 100?

[Spira]

Actually, now that I refrlect on it, 4% magic attack bonus up is most likely worthless.

So.. lets say you have 100 magic attack bonus:

(which I THINK is already impossible)

That would give you all of +4 magic attack bonus from the gloves.

Which .. is sadly clearly less than zenith.

Now were the goliard to have some say.. int on them.. it might be another story... but they dont.. so.

Still though sek.. I can let you borrow my ugly and my sorc's ring... You already have a genie right?

I'm also assuming you still have afv2 pants and elemental obis, which while we know they increase damage.. may or may not do it via MAB... but I suppose its a testable thing eh?

well the way i look at it, the base multiplier is 100 ie the base damage of the spell. Even if you have 0 MAB from traits or eq, your spell still has a base damage after all, and if you had no MAB gear on, you cant possibly take 4% of 0, which would make it a redundant stat. But this isn't the case.. just as with those enhance 'XX' trait (by %) equipment, if you don't have that trait to begin with, you're granted that trait automatically so that you'll see an effect no matter what.. so thats kinda why i think base is 100..

at base 100, 4% total = +4 MAB.. but as long as you're >100, which any RDM or BLM is, you'd definitely get bigger returns.. in fact the higher ur MAB, the more 4% becomes.. thats what I feel.

btw, a similar characteristic has shown in the automaton attachment Ice Maker, which gives MAB+20%/40%/60% bonus.. it was introduced in the same patch

[Millael]

Hey, folks-

In addition to the weapon, we're also trying to test out the Runic Key we got for clearing floor 100 as well. The only thing is, we've run out of places we can think of testing it in. We're looking for suggestions from anyone as to where it might go... serious suggestions, not "STICK IT IN THE EBON PANELS LOLZ". We'll try out any non-sarcastic theories you might have.

[Mertron]

Hey, folks-

In addition to the weapon, we're also trying to test out the Runic Key we got for clearing floor 100 as well. The only thing is, we've run out of places we can think of testing it in. We're looking for suggestions from anyone as to where it might go... serious suggestions, not "STICK IT IN THE EBON PANELS LOLZ". We'll try out any non-sarcastic theories you might have.

The engraved tablets in various locations of ToA? Only one I can think of offhand is the one north of khimaira.

Maybe all of this stuff will only be useful if they announce a second part of nyzul assault, I derno.

[sekaran]

Here are the quick Thunder IV(5/5 Merit) tests I did.

No additional MAB/INT gear outside of hand slot on a Lesser Colibri(39exp, no Sanction):
Zenith: 710
Goliard: 705
Wizard's +1: 693

MAB+11, INT+27, Jupiter's Staff on a Lesser Colibri(36exp, no Sanction):
Zenith: 967
Goliard: 961
Wizard's +1: 946

My thinking is that the additional magic accuracy over Zenith, and no -HP(For a Taru anyways..) outweigh the small difference in damage. They're the best RDM gloves I have as well.. :/

Can you do this:
Your sig says you have a 75 BLM. Next time you are in Bastok (or Windurst) go out to North Gustaburg (or East Sarutabaruta), unequip all your gear except the goliard hands and nuke a Huge Hornet (or Tiny Mandragora) just outside the city entrance with a tier 4 spell that is unrelated to the current day's element. Report here how much INT you had, if you have any merits in the element of the spell you cast, and how much damage it did. Then add any gear you have that adds MAB in other slots (don't worry about stuff that requires latent like pendant or ring, though) and repeat the cast, reporting the new total INT, the difference in MAB, and the new damage.

The reason I ask is because we know the INT for those mobs, and while it should be possible to determine the lesser colibiri's INT from your zenith and AF+1 casts above, you appear to have less INT than the target which makes it a little trickier. Also, you used a staff in the 2nd cast and while it's easy to factor that in, it'd be better to leave it out just because it's an irrelevant term that could lead to error if the bonus from goliard is calculated in some unique way. Using data from the starter zones we can just calculate it from the ground up and figure out how it fits in.

I'll try that test tomorrow if I get time.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Hey, folks-

In addition to the weapon, we're also trying to test out the Runic Key we got for clearing floor 100 as well. The only thing is, we've run out of places we can think of testing it in. We're looking for suggestions from anyone as to where it might go... serious suggestions, not "STICK IT IN THE EBON PANELS LOLZ". We'll try out any non-sarcastic theories you might have.

The engraved tablets in various locations of ToA? Only one I can think of offhand is the one north of khimaira.

Maybe all of this stuff will only be useful if they announce a second part of nyzul assault, I derno.

There is an engraved tablet in Wajaom, south of Zazald Island (Zhayolm), and 1 on Hediva Isle as you mentioned. I remember a theory stated that, story-wise, the Zhayolm/Arrapago/Bhaflau ACs are on the islands they probably teleport you to.

[sekaran]

5 Thunder merits, base INT of 76. Enemy was Tiny Mandragoras in West Sarutabaruta. MAB comes from NQ Weskit (+6) and Moldavite (+5).

Thunder IV, no gear: 969
Thunder IV, +37INT: 1074

Thunder IV, +37INT, Goliard Cuffs: 1105
Thunder IV, +37INT, Zenith Mitts: 1112

Thunder IV, +37INT, +5MAB, Goliard Cuffs: 1143
Thunder IV, +37INT, +5MAB, Zenith Mitts: 1150

Thunder IV, +37INT, +6MAB, Goliard Cuffs: 1150
Thunder IV, +37INT, +6MAB, Zenith Mitts: 1158

Thunder IV, +37INT, +11MAB, Goliard Cuffs: 1188
Thunder IV, +37INT, +11MAB, Zenith Mitts: 1196

The +5MAB+Zenith and +6MAB+Goliard produced the same numbers.. but differences between the 3 MAB sets were 7dmg, 8dmg, 8dmg, and no additional MAB also with a 7dmg difference.

[silke]

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couple things...no hat with TH4 orz. Person who used the disc did not have 75 nin. Between the 6 of us, had all cept i think drg pup blu. Initial testing, looks like no hidden effect, but we're hopeful. Also i dunno if been mentioned but cerb definitely did gates at the end. Well, we didn't think it would anyway....oh and about 99-100, person with disc didn't go up, and we didnt feel it's worth it trying to log/dc them then get banned for 'exploit'

[Gere]

You guys get an Askar body too?

[silke]

You guys get an Askar body too?

if talking to me, we did the run before that yeah

[Suiram]

Thanks sekaran. The numbers you got for goliard cuffs are the exact same as one would get with just "Magic Attack Bonus" +4, so I'm guessing that the "%" sign was a typo of some kind, or a new convention for expressing the bonus or something. Sadly not anything more it would seem.

[Pergo]

oh and about 99-100, person with disc didn't go up, and we didnt feel it's worth it trying to log/dc them then get banned for 'exploit'

i don't understand what you're saying here? did they not go up or did they? hehe

[silke]

The person who hit the runic port at 99 wasn't the disc holder is what i meant (still lost progress tho), and we didnt want to try and force d/c or warp the disc holder to keep 96 like some suggested.

[Pergo]

ah ok... still i don't think they would ban anyone for using that as an exploit (if it even works).

they can't blame you for dc'ing

[silke]

yeah i hear ya, tho repeatedly doing that might draw a banstick...was pretty low on time however regardless

[Drzaus]

I hate you =/
We've gotten 3 goliard bodies and 1 Denali, no Askar. Guess who wants it? =/ fking SE!!

Grats on katana though... I'm not sure if I want them to be anything special though, I'm working on an Amano lol. ToA Relic gtfo <,<

[safer]

its nice seeing people get these weapons.. personally i dont think their true power is available to us at this time, so any further testing now is probably useless -- at least this leaves you in a greater position than other people though since once they introduce how to make these better, you'll be at the forefront!

also.. its a shame about the goliard cuffs... guess its just there for people who cant get zmitts/morrigans

[Reynard]

as far as goliard goes, as a rdm and a pup myself, alot of the gear is actually pretty solid for both jobs in a world of inventory madness. The gloves are pretty well rounded and a solid choice for rdm casting, yet at same time are pretty much the best acc and atk combo gloves for pup or rdm meleeing too. The body's haste is sexy too. For my jobs, I'm interested, need to start Nyzuling it up alot more...

[Palpatine]

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7268/askarex3.jpg

0/1 - 20
0/1 - 40
0/1 - 60
2/2 - 80

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[TT]

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7268/askarex3.jpg

0/1 - 20
0/1 - 40
0/1 - 60
2/2 - 80

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wow....
0/9 on floor 80 askar... have gotten 3 goliard bodies and 1 denaloli. almost everyone in static wants askar too, gonna hate to trash goliard bodies if we max em out.