Goliard/Denali/Askar armour where?

[Sonomaa]

I have a theory that the floors will increase or drop different pieces of the new sets, starting with feet etc. However I think as well the drop rate possibility's will start to mirror three kings/toau kings as well once you reach higher floors, with chest drop ??? pieces or direct drops from the much harder versions of the NMs. Once a group gets to 40 and does some farming there, I bet we can expect to see a scant chance of an abjuration or more from the boss, I bet we get some sort of confirmation in drop at 60+.

Sorry Sonomaa, but I think you're being too hopeful at this point. =\

it was earllyyy I was tireddd /bites

where is siggy!

[Khamsin]

Correct me if I am wrong but if a person could access Floor 100, then they can take any person along, even if they only cleared up to floor 3? If so, then this entire Nyzul Isle system really offers a great system that won't shut out anyone who can't always be the leader and helps everyone have a shot at some reasonably good gear.

Generally, yes, I believe this to be the case, you will be limited by the highest level of the person that has recorded their disk before.

And how many tokens that person has. However, it would be a good idea to trade off who records each floor along the way.

e.g. 6 people, A B C D E and F.

The group does floors 0-4 and A records.
Then A starts the group at 5, and they do 5-9 then B records.
Then B starts the group at 10, and they do 10-14 then C records.
etc.

Until eventually, you get to 90-94, and you just repeat that 6 times, allowing each person in the PT to record so not only do you have a bunch of tokens, but also you can spread them out since everyone will be able to start the group at 95 next time.

Unfortunately it doesn't work this way, the person who uses their Runic Disc to select the floor automatically gets the new recording no matter who decides to take the exit option. Although we haven't made it as far as some PTs (my static completed F20 on wednesday), we have noticed that the amount of tokens recieved is more than the number of tokens needed to enter. So as long as this continues through-out, and as long as you don't let the time expire on you, you should be able to have 1 person be the lead all the way through the entire tower.

Of course when you want to farm certain floors for certain gear, this will become an issue, but not if your goal is trying to make it as high as you can.

I'd hate to be the person who spent all his tokens to get to the top floor and lose lot to someone who was just along for the ride. lol

I wonder if some groups have a "leader gets the drops" setup where each time they cycle between who is leader, and repeat 0-4 6 times until everyone is recorded at 5, then 6 more times at 5-9, etc. with the drops going to the person who spent his tokens (unless he doesn't want).

You just have to be careful, though, once you kill whatever is on floor 100, DO NOT EXIT so you can restart at 95 next time rather than being recored as having finished 100 and starting at 0 again (assuming finishing 100 cycles you back to 0).

[Toth]

I was thinking of my scenario more in the line of a melee-job-only leader whose 100floor mob drops a Goliard piece that his mage friends can use. Sounds like a great way to have fun and have both you and your friends benefit.

[Wizerd]

Correct me if I am wrong but if a person could access Floor 100, then they can take any person along, even if they only cleared up to floor 3? If so, then this entire Nyzul Isle system really offers a great system that won't shut out anyone who can't always be the leader and helps everyone have a shot at some reasonably good gear.

Generally, yes, I believe this to be the case, you will be limited by the highest level of the person that has recorded their disk before.

And how many tokens that person has. However, it would be a good idea to trade off who records each floor along the way.

e.g. 6 people, A B C D E and F.

The group does floors 0-4 and A records.
Then A starts the group at 5, and they do 5-9 then B records.
Then B starts the group at 10, and they do 10-14 then C records.
etc.

Until eventually, you get to 90-94, and you just repeat that 6 times, allowing each person in the PT to record so not only do you have a bunch of tokens, but also you can spread them out since everyone will be able to start the group at 95 next time.

Unfortunately it doesn't work this way, the person who uses their Runic Disc to select the floor automatically gets the new recording no matter who decides to take the exit option. Although we haven't made it as far as some PTs (my static completed F20 on wednesday), we have noticed that the amount of tokens recieved is more than the number of tokens needed to enter. So as long as this continues through-out, and as long as you don't let the time expire on you, you should be able to have 1 person be the lead all the way through the entire tower.

Of course when you want to farm certain floors for certain gear, this will become an issue, but not if your goal is trying to make it as high as you can.

I'd hate to be the person who spent all his tokens to get to the top floor and lose lot to someone who was just along for the ride. lol

I wonder if some groups have a "leader gets the drops" setup where each time they cycle between who is leader, and repeat 0-4 6 times until everyone is recorded at 5, then 6 more times at 5-9, etc. with the drops going to the person who spent his tokens (unless he doesn't want).

You just have to be careful, though, once you kill whatever is on floor 100, DO NOT EXIT so you can restart at 95 next time rather than being recored as having finished 100 and starting at 0 again (assuming finishing 100 cycles you back to 0).

I highly doubt finishing floor 100 will cause a reset to your progress... SE isn't that dumb.

[Khamsin]

[quote=WizerdRemora]

Correct me if I am wrong but if a person could access Floor 100, then they can take any person along, even if they only cleared up to floor 3? If so, then this entire Nyzul Isle system really offers a great system that won't shut out anyone who can't always be the leader and helps everyone have a shot at some reasonably good gear.

Generally, yes, I believe this to be the case, you will be limited by the highest level of the person that has recorded their disk before.

And how many tokens that person has. However, it would be a good idea to trade off who records each floor along the way.

e.g. 6 people, A B C D E and F.

The group does floors 0-4 and A records.
Then A starts the group at 5, and they do 5-9 then B records.
Then B starts the group at 10, and they do 10-14 then C records.
etc.

Until eventually, you get to 90-94, and you just repeat that 6 times, allowing each person in the PT to record so not only do you have a bunch of tokens, but also you can spread them out since everyone will be able to start the group at 95 next time.

Unfortunately it doesn't work this way, the person who uses their Runic Disc to select the floor automatically gets the new recording no matter who decides to take the exit option. Although we haven't made it as far as some PTs (my static completed F20 on wednesday), we have noticed that the amount of tokens recieved is more than the number of tokens needed to enter. So as long as this continues through-out, and as long as you don't let the time expire on you, you should be able to have 1 person be the lead all the way through the entire tower.

Of course when you want to farm certain floors for certain gear, this will become an issue, but not if your goal is trying to make it as high as you can.

I'd hate to be the person who spent all his tokens to get to the top floor and lose lot to someone who was just along for the ride. lol

I wonder if some groups have a "leader gets the drops" setup where each time they cycle between who is leader, and repeat 0-4 6 times until everyone is recorded at 5, then 6 more times at 5-9, etc. with the drops going to the person who spent his tokens (unless he doesn't want).

You just have to be careful, though, once you kill whatever is on floor 100, DO NOT EXIT so you can restart at 95 next time rather than being recored as having finished 100 and starting at 0 again (assuming finishing 100 cycles you back to 0).

I highly doubt finishing floor 100 will cause a reset to your progress... SE isn't that dumb.[/quote:d2c3a]

On the other hand, what if you pass up a floor you want drops from? Say you pass 20F already but want another shot at Askar Feet or Denali Legs? The only option is to find another person who hasn't gotten past 20F yet, then.

[Wizerd]

[quote=Khamsin][quote=WizerdRemora]

Correct me if I am wrong but if a person could access Floor 100, then they can take any person along, even if they only cleared up to floor 3? If so, then this entire Nyzul Isle system really offers a great system that won't shut out anyone who can't always be the leader and helps everyone have a shot at some reasonably good gear.

Generally, yes, I believe this to be the case, you will be limited by the highest level of the person that has recorded their disk before.

And how many tokens that person has. However, it would be a good idea to trade off who records each floor along the way.

e.g. 6 people, A B C D E and F.

The group does floors 0-4 and A records.
Then A starts the group at 5, and they do 5-9 then B records.
Then B starts the group at 10, and they do 10-14 then C records.
etc.

Until eventually, you get to 90-94, and you just repeat that 6 times, allowing each person in the PT to record so not only do you have a bunch of tokens, but also you can spread them out since everyone will be able to start the group at 95 next time.

Unfortunately it doesn't work this way, the person who uses their Runic Disc to select the floor automatically gets the new recording no matter who decides to take the exit option. Although we haven't made it as far as some PTs (my static completed F20 on wednesday), we have noticed that the amount of tokens recieved is more than the number of tokens needed to enter. So as long as this continues through-out, and as long as you don't let the time expire on you, you should be able to have 1 person be the lead all the way through the entire tower.

Of course when you want to farm certain floors for certain gear, this will become an issue, but not if your goal is trying to make it as high as you can.

I'd hate to be the person who spent all his tokens to get to the top floor and lose lot to someone who was just along for the ride. lol

I wonder if some groups have a "leader gets the drops" setup where each time they cycle between who is leader, and repeat 0-4 6 times until everyone is recorded at 5, then 6 more times at 5-9, etc. with the drops going to the person who spent his tokens (unless he doesn't want).

You just have to be careful, though, once you kill whatever is on floor 100, DO NOT EXIT so you can restart at 95 next time rather than being recored as having finished 100 and starting at 0 again (assuming finishing 100 cycles you back to 0).

I highly doubt finishing floor 100 will cause a reset to your progress... SE isn't that dumb.[/quote:c1d65]

On the other hand, what if you pass up a floor you want drops from? Say you pass 20F already but want another shot at Askar Feet or Denali Legs? The only option is to find another person who hasn't gotten past 20F yet, then.[/quote:c1d65]

No. Then you just get the person with 100F progress to choose 16F to start on. You can choose any floor in increments of 5 to start on, up to and including the floor you have progress to.

[Matricide]

I have a theory that the floors will increase or drop different pieces of the new sets, starting with feet etc. However I think as well the drop rate possibility's will start to mirror three kings/toau kings as well once you reach higher floors, with chest drop ??? pieces or direct drops from the much harder versions of the NMs. Once a group gets to 40 and does some farming there, I bet we can expect to see a scant chance of an abjuration or more from the boss, I bet we get some sort of confirmation in drop at 60+.

Sorry Sonomaa, but I think you're being too hopeful at this point. =\

it was earllyyy I was tireddd /bites

where is siggy!

o.o reached quota when update came out and people read posts with my sig ; ;

[aurik]

For those of you still holding out for awesome ??? items from Nyzul, prepare to be disappointed.

It seems that each block of 20 floors (1-20, 21-40, etc) has 18 possible NMs to choose from when each level is generated. 0-2 NMs are generated per floor. When a NM dies, it drops a chest containing a ??? that is sometimes appraised to the NM's unique drop. Where the NM has 2 "unique" drops, only one type will ever generate. For example, Emergent Elm only ever drops ??? greatswords.

I've filled in some of the drops.

Here's the total list:
Floors 1-20:
Bat Eye -- Storm Axe
Shadow Eye -- Moon Amulet
Bomb King -- Bomb Ring
Juggler Hecatomb -- Heavy Halberd
Smothered Schmidt -- Malflood Ring
Hellion -- A l'Outrance
Leaping Lizzy -- Bounding Boots
Tom Tit Tat -- Fruit Punches
Jaggedy-Eared Jack -- Rabbit Charm
Cactuar Cantautor -- Kung-fu Boots
Gargantua -- Elemental Charm
Gyre-Carlin -- Rikonodo
Asphyxiated Amsel -- Malgust Ring
Frostmane -- Lockheart
Peallaidh -- Nightmare Gloves
Carnero -- Katayama Ichimonji
Falcatus Aranei -- Webcutter
Emergent Elm -- Gloom Claymore

Floors 21-40:
Old Two-Wings -- Bat Cape
Aiatar
Intulo
Orctrap
Valkurm Emperor -- Empress Pin
Crushed Krause -- Maldust Ring
Stinging Sophie -- Beestinger
Serpopard Ishtar -- Cerulean Pendant
Western Shadow -- Retaliators
Bloodtear Baldurf -- Viking Shield
Zizzy Zillah
Ellyllon -- Mushroom Helm
Mischievous Micholas -- Kidney Dagger
Leech King -- Bloodbead Earring
Eastern Shadow -- Vali's Bow
Nunyenunc -- Pilgrim's Wand
Helldiver -- Wingedge
Taisaijin

Floors 41-60:
Fungus Beetle -- Clipeus
Friar Rush -- Bomb Core
Pulverized Pfeffer -- Malfrost Ring
Argus -- Peacock Amulet
Bloodpool Vorax -- Bloodbead Amulet
Nightmare Vase -- Shinogi
Daggerclaw Dracos -- Sonic Knuckles
Northern Shadow -- Executioner
Fraelissa -- Almogavar Bow
Roc
Sabotender Bailarin -- Bailathorn
Aquarius -- Fransisca
Energetic Eruca
Spiny Spipi -- Mist Silk Cape
Trickster Kinetix -- Tabar
Drooling Daisy
Bonnacon
Taisaijin

Floors 61-80:
Golden Bat -- Night Cape
Steelfleece Baldarich -- Viking Shield
Sabotender Mariachi -- Bano Del Sol
Ungur -- Ungur Boomerang
Swamfisk -- Gelong Staff
Buburimboo -- Buburimu Gorget
Keeper of Halidom -- Daihannya
Serket
Dune Widow -- Spider Torque
Odqan
Burned Bergmann -- Malflame Ring
Tom Tit Tat -- Fruit Punches
Tyrannic Tunnok -- Lohar
Bloodsucker -- Bloodbead Ring
Tottering Toby -- Stumbling Sandals
Southern Shadow -- Master Shield
Sharp-Eared Ropipi -- Entrancing Ribbon
Taisaijin

Floors 81-100:
Panzer Percival -- Neckchopper
Vouivre -- Gae Bolg
Jolly Green -- Shaman Belt
Tumbling Truffle -- Fungus Hat
Capricious Cassie
Amikiri -- Kamewari
Stray Mary -- Mary's Horn
Sewer Syrup -- Jelly Ring
Unut -- Luna Subligar
Simurgh
Pelican -- Astral Aspis
Cargo Crab Colin -- Nadrs
Wounded Wurfel -- Malflash Ring
Peg Powler -- Schwarz Axt
Tom Tit Tat -- Fruit Punches
Jaded Jody
Maighdean Uaine -- Optical Earring
Taisaijin

[Alyriel]

Lots of Goodies

Where'd this come from?

[aurik]

Lots of Goodies

Where'd this come from?

Dat list + observation of first 20 floors + critical thinking.

[Alyriel]

Weren't Fafnir, Behemoth, and Adamantoise all in the .dat list for possible mobs in Nyzul Isle as well? And they weren't repeated at all, but yet still appear on F20 and F40.

Although it could mean nothing because F20 is definately a different layout then the rest of the floors, and I would assume F40 is as well.

[aurik]

They are in the dats but they exist in a different location than the randomly-spawning NMs.

After the NMs, the dat looks like this:

(for "avoid detection / don't kill gears")
Archaic Gears
Archaic Gear

(for "kill the boss")
Mokke
Mokka
Mokku
Vile Wahdaha
Vile Ineef
Vile Yabeewa
Uriri Samariri
Eriri Samariri
Oriri Samariri
Ginger Custard
Anise Custard
Cumin Custard
Nutmeg Custard
Mint Custard
Cinnamon Custard
Caraway Custard
Vanilla Custard
Gem Heister Roorooroon
Qiqirn Mine
Stealth Bomber Gagaroon
Quick Draw Sasaroon
Shielded Chariot
Battledressed Chariot
Long-Gunned Chariot
Long-Horned Chariot

(for "defeat specified enemies")
Heraldic Imp
Psycheflayer
Poroggo Gent
Ebony Pudding
Qiqirn Treasure Hunter
Qiqirn Archaeologist
Racing Chariot

(for L20-40-60-80-100 bosses)
Adamantoise
Behemoth
Fafnir
Khimaira
Hydra
Cerberus

[fndragon]

I'm amused at the quantity of Taisaijin. If only he gave you his awesome title in Nyzul Isle.

[Khamsin]

I'm amused at the quantity of Taisaijin. If only he gave you his awesome title in Nyzul Isle.

Maybe SE caught wind of the "a taisai dropped it" joke, and made the Taisaijin a rare NM that can appear in any floor 20+ that has a chance to drop anything. lol

[Sagacious Sundi]

Wasn't Aurik the one who discovered where Salvage armour drops are located for each remnant? How can one person contain so much awesomeness? Anyway, from the way things are heading, I really wonder what SE was thinking by teasing us with all of this... I pray that I am wrong.

EDIT: Could someone provide a list of Vana'dielian normal monsters in the Nyzul .dats and is there any pattern between them in the blocks of 20 floors?

EDIT2: Pray that when the Hydra/Cerberus/Khimaira are the enemy leaders the Behemoth/Adamantoise/Fafnir can appear normally.

[Suiram]

Okay, so clearly it will be Taisaijin that drops Ridill, then.

Keep dreaming lol

[ronin sparthos]

Floor 20 Adamantoise after a piece of shit "activate the lamps in order" Floor 19:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ma/floor20.jpg

[hopefulki]

Floor 20 Adamantoise after a piece of shit "activate the lamps in order" Floor 19:

seriously...those lamps...


.....


/sigh

[Kanachan]

lol spar, you looked like you were screaming your head off over there rait?

[ronin sparthos]

After the cockblock lamps, losing would have meant a hurled keyboard....


:wink: