Server Issues?

[Zirk]

My north sandy deadzone randomly fixed itself like a day or two before this update, so I don't think they ninjad anything, just a matter of time.

mmhmm ISPs around the world united in an unprecedented effort to fix this problem,
that has once again existed(?) since SE patched server & client software, during the exact
same time as SE scheduled a maintenance & client update - what an effort!

...say hi to the easter bunny next month 8)

What the fuck are you talking about, ISPs have nothing to do with this problem, and it got fixed before SE did any patching or updating.

[Slott]

My north sandy deadzone randomly fixed itself like a day or two before this update, so I don't think they ninjad anything, just a matter of time.

mmhmm ISPs around the world united in an unprecedented effort to fix this problem,
that has once again existed(?) since SE patched server & client software, during the exact
same time as SE scheduled a maintenance & client update - what an effort!

...say hi to the easter bunny next month 8)

What the fuck are you talking about, ISPs have nothing to do with this problem, and it got fixed before SE did any patching or updating.

SE blamed ISPs, not themselves (or their 3rd party server holders if that turned out to be true)

People started having the problem after their last major patch.

[Codernaut]

What the fuck are you talking about, ISPs have nothing to do with this problem, and it got fixed before SE did any patching or updating.

Also, they can fix server-side issue without interrupting play depending on what the issue is. In fact, they often do this for area specific maintenance.

[Khamsin]

I've had the abnormal R0 thing going on for the past few weeks... I don't think it's ISP related because A) I play other games without any issues, and sometimes I have them going at the same time and never notice a thing.

Presumably those other games all have servers hosted in the same building as SE's FFXI servers?

And B) It only happens in certain areas.

What a coincidence! SE has different physical servers (and hence IP addresses) for different zones, and they may each use different routing for a packet to get from your machine to the server machine.

I agree that A and B were worthless arguments but the idea that SE isn't somehow involved with this issue is crazy.

It's either not SE's fault and they did something to uncover the problem, or it is their fault and they're being dicks about it.

It happened directly after a major maintenance... something they did (even if it's not their fault) caused this to start happening... or it's just the biggest coincidence ever.

Well, don't forget there are people who are completely unaffected, so this means its not something that is on SE's servers specifically, otherwise everyone in the entire game on all servers would be affected. It has to be something between SE's servers and your machine, because its not just luck that those who are unaffected remain unaffected. As I've stated previously, I've never had connectivity issues in FFXI ever that wasn't due to a server crash or something in the past 3 years.

This is incredibly simplistic, especially since, as divisortheory said, there's different routes each packet can take depending on machine and server, but:

Imagine the route from SE to you. (SE) ------------------------- (you)

Is the problem here? (SE) ---*--------------------- (you)

or here? (SE) ---------------------*--- (you)

Who knows, but its not here. (SE*) ------------------------- (you)

or here (SE) ------------------------- (*you)

[Codernaut]

Well, don't forget there are people who are completely unaffected, so this means its not something that is on SE's servers specifically, otherwise everyone in the entire game on all servers would be affected.

It isn't necessarily one of their servers. Could be a router issue (or another similar issue) on their end. Someone (don't remember who) said their 'friend' was receiving bad packets when trying to enter "dead zones".

It's also possible that people who are not experiencing any problems at all just aren't connecting through the effected devices.


Could be something like this?:

[Square] (Server) --*--(other crap) ----  (router1)
                \ ------(working crap) --- (router2)
_________________________________________
                   |
                   |   <--- internet
                   |
                   |
____________________________________________________
            (your ISP) ----- (various hubs/switches) ----- (you)

or even in one of these two spots

[Square]
          (Character info DB) --------*-------(router2)--------
              |                                                   |
              *                                                   |
              |                                                   |
          (Server) -----(other crap) ----  (router1)----------
                                                                  |
                                                                  |                                                                                                                                            
_____________________________________________________
                                                                  |
                                                                  |   <--- internet
                                                                  |
                                                                  |
[Your Side] (your ISP) --- (various hubs/switches) ---- (you)

A problem with whatever DB stores character info sounds likely to me, especially if we're all on different boxes which store this info. Each 'area' server will need to make a connection to those machines to validate actions happening between that area and your character (like loading your level, armor and hp/mp since since it's likely this only happens when you zone swap gear or use a moogle). We know that some kind of connections work because when in these "dead" areas players can still search and have actions performed on them (like teleporting), which probably occurs through the character DB/zone-changing box and not in the area specific boxes.

They might interact like this:
1)
(Character DB): ...
(Zone changing handler): whm just cast teleport on Codernaut
(Area server) : *whir whir whir* trying toload codernaut's dataz

2)
(Chatacter DB): I see the zone handler wants to move codernaut and the whm
(Zone changing handler): ...
(area server): still trying to load codernaut's data

3)
(Chatacter DB): I give codernaut and the whm permission to teleport since they both have the tele-point crystal
(Zone changing handler): ...
(area server): ...

4)
(Chatacter DB): ...
(Zone changing handler): moving codernaut and the Whm to crag area
(area server): unload codernaut and the whm, they're gone


Now, even though the game thinks I'm in the other zone, I still end up DC'ing w/ server problems because the connection between the zone/changer and/or character DB with the area server is hosed.

When I log back in I'm in the crag area because the character DB told the area/zone handler that's where I was the last time I logged out.

Similar issue also happens if I just try to walk in to a mog house.

[Osede]

Nah, connect router again and everything. I did this, and with the same IP it was fixed. However changing IP (through resetting or connecting to a friend through a VPN) isn't garaunteed to work (as you might get another blocked IP) but that's all i can really think of.

well, finally able to online after changing the ip.

[Kirst]

Mine resolved itself.

[Popeh]

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MAKE IT STOP!!!


EDIT: My current dead area's are now working!! Huzzah!

[Kattice]

SE would never admit it themselves if it was their own...they are a JP company after all. Any public apology usually comes with a dismissal or scapegoat bowing down.

[Fluid]

EDIT: My current dead area's are now working!! Huzzah!

I'm seeing a lot of posts like this one today, hopefully I'll finally be able to use whitegate again tonight. :D

[BerenTebogo]

Error 3113 gone, finally.

[mistmonster]

Mine fixed as well /cheer

[Tena]

I was stuck at "Acquiring Player Data" for a few days. All better now.

[Kuya]

Umm so does anyone know what just happend?

[Doombard]

Dunno if this has been mentioned, but since update I dont have blackout areas... but my FPS has been absolutely horrible in main areas such as Bhaflau or Whitegate..... even when bhaflau is empty I drop below 5 FPS... anyone else experiencing horrendous lag since update?

[Fhqwghads]

I think I can explain. Allow me to illustrate what is probably happening:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/194/routesln0.jpg

As you can see, this clearly illustrates the World Wide Web. We have Square-Enix where our beloved game is located. We have "you", the avid gamer. And we have porn. We have bad circles which get between us and the game we desire. But, the bad circles are only in a few spots. Since the WWW/Internet is redundant, our computers can travel along different routes. Some of us are hitting the bad circles. BAD CIRCLES, BAD! Some of us are not.

In conclusion, FFXI is an elusive beast because the web is made for one thing: porn.

[Gere]

I think I can explain. Allow me to illustrate what is probably happening:

As you can see, this clearly illustrates the World Wide Web. We have Square-Enix where our beloved game is located. We have "you", the avid gamer. And we have porn. We have bad circles which get between us and the game we desire. But, the bad circles are only in a few spots. Since the WWW/Internet is redundant, our computers can travel along different routes. Some of us are hitting the bad circles. BAD CIRCLES, BAD! Some of us are not.

In conclusion, FFXI is an elusive beast because the web is made for one thing: porn.

Your diagram is grossly flawed, the internet has a far higher percentage of porn than that.

Also, you forgot the tubes.

[Metah]

I think I can explain. Allow me to illustrate what is probably happening:

As you can see, this clearly illustrates the World Wide Web. We have Square-Enix where our beloved game is located. We have "you", the avid gamer. And we have porn. We have bad circles which get between us and the game we desire. But, the bad circles are only in a few spots. Since the WWW/Internet is redundant, our computers can travel along different routes. Some of us are hitting the bad circles. BAD CIRCLES, BAD! Some of us are not.

In conclusion, FFXI is an elusive beast because the web is made for one thing: porn.

Your diagram is grossly flawed, the internet has a far higher percentage of porn than that.

Also, you forgot the tubes.

I thought the internet was a dump truck

[Ravenlokk]

Someone now must link "The Internet is for Porn" since it was quoted! (even if unintentionally!)

[Septimus]

I think I can explain. Allow me to illustrate what is probably happening:

As you can see, this clearly illustrates the World Wide Web. We have Square-Enix where our beloved game is located. We have "you", the avid gamer. And we have porn. We have bad circles which get between us and the game we desire. But, the bad circles are only in a few spots. Since the WWW/Internet is redundant, our computers can travel along different routes. Some of us are hitting the bad circles. BAD CIRCLES, BAD! Some of us are not.

In conclusion, FFXI is an elusive beast because the web is made for one thing: porn.

Your diagram is grossly flawed, the internet has a far higher percentage of porn than that.

Also, you forgot the tubes.

I thought the internet was a dump truck

No no, it's not a dump truck, it's a series of tubes. And sometimes race horses get stuck in them.