Signet Defense/Evasion Bonus

[Gerion]

Don't know what section this should be in, but does anyone know if the bonus works on NMs that don't give exp, like BCNM or Missionsl, but are presumably EM or lower, like the spider babies in the Spider KSNM30, or the 5 mammets in the Omega/Ultima battle?

[PeaceNLove]

From my experience so far fighting KA and Behemoth, the bonuses don't apply to Impossible to Gauge mobs of any level.

[megabyte]

Def/Eva bonus only applies to monsters that are /autotarget'd and does not include monsters that aggro from behind and are not targeted.

Unless you found a way to autotarget an HNM, won't work.

[Bagel]

Auto-attack, not auto-target. Does this "defense bonus" affect Cannonball?

[Isildur]

From my experience so far fighting KA and Behemoth, the bonuses don't apply to Impossible to Gauge mobs of any level.

doesnt work on anything above EM, nor NMs...this includes shit like Leaping Lizzy, the thing stated something about all NMs being excluded

[Celeras]

Auto-attack, not auto-target. Does this "defense bonus" affect Cannonball?

Hah, that'd be cool. Ill test later

[Francisco II]

Doesn't always work on every mob EM or lower either... SE cited Hippogryphs and Attohwa worms as examples (I wonder why...).

I want to go out on a limb and say it doesn't work against the Pucks in Den of Rancor. I was easily able to dispatch an even match Korrigan solo on MNK/WAR, but got my ass handed to me trying a decent challenge Puck the next day.

[Suiram]

I don't see why people are so confused about this. They cited Hippogryphs and Flesh Eaters as examples of mobs that don't grant the small-PT exp bonus. They never said that they--or NMs for that matter--were immune to the DEF/EVA bonus. If it turns out that some mobs are unaffected then it's an oversight on their part and a coincidence, but definitely not something that you could infer by carefully reading the patch notes.

[Xfaustx]

so is this EXP bonus intended to help solo-ing? since i guess solo is technically the smallest party you could get. and how much bonus was it again? forgot the amount

[Alastaire]

so is this EXP bonus intended to help solo-ing? since i guess solo is technically the smallest party you could get. and how much bonus was it again? forgot the amount

It's not an XP bonus, it's a reduced penalty for smaller groups, meaning that when soloing it does nothing.

[Xfaustx]

oh... gay... i retract my previous statement. apparently i read over the update too hastily due to excitement for the other owner stuff. well that sucks. i might be making a new char and was hoping soloing would be easier and more rewarding. oh well.

[Takie]

Huge Necrobump, I apologize, but does the Defense Bonus stack the more often you Auto-Target? I'm trying to skillup my Guard off Mouriche in the Tree & I donno' whether autotargeting one grants the same defense bonus as going through a chain of 10-20 Mouriche

[Eaglestrike]

Huge Necrobump, I apologize, but does the Defense Bonus stack the more often you Auto-Target? I'm trying to skillup my Guard off Mouriche in the Tree & I donno' whether autotargeting one grants the same defense bonus as going through a chain of 10-20 Mouriche

What? The bonus only applies to the mob you've engaged to currently, auto-targetting doesn't do a thing as far as I know. And it's not a "defense bonus" as much as it is a "damage reduction" since you'll take less damage with signet than someone with 309218903812 defense would (in some situations).

[Capo]

auto-target = automatically switching to target a new mob after the one you are attacking dies, has nothing to do with signet

auto-attack = continuously attacking the same mob without having to press attack every time you want to swing, can only be active on one mob, and this mob is what you will get the signet bonuses against. any others that are attacking you will not receive the same penalties

[Tdizzle]

i.e. one mob at a time is affected. If you get aggro or a link in addition to the one you're currently fighting, the signet bonus still only applys to the one that you're auto-attacking. Not sure where the auto target came from.

I think the patch notes said that signet bonuses dont apply to anything that checks Impossible To Guage. Been awhile. Best part is the Hhp and that you don't lose tp for melees imo. The eva/def boost is icing on the cake for weaker mobs.

[Scar]

When they first put the Signet bonus into effect, I happened to be soloing my BLM in Bibiki Bay, when a party showed up and camped on top of me. I asked them in /say if they could stick to Dhalmels and any Goblins other than the Hobgoblin Animalier, since I was soloing the pets.
Of course, they pulled the Animalier first just to answer my question.

I immediately warped out and switched to 75 RDM/NIN and OP'd back to Bibiki, pulling 3-5 mobs at a time and I evaded all of the mobs quite often. Considering my RDM has 210 Evasion, it seems to me like the Evasion bonus applies to all mobs, not just the one I was currently attacking. Regardless of what the patch info said, it doesn't match up with my experience. I never really blink tank when soloing on RDM/NIN anyways; I just use Ni for uninterrupted Stoneskin once it falls. However, seeing my shadows last as long as they did while fighting multiple mobs (i.e. often have Ni timer ready for recast and still having 1 shadow left), the evasion bonus has to apply to any mob which cons Decent Challenge/Even Match or lower.

Moral of the wall-of-text- I drove out that party and learned a lot about the SIgnet Defense/Evasion Bonus, and I don't think it applies to only 1 mob, at least as far as Evasion Bonus goes.

[solsovly]

Considering my RDM has 210 Evasion, it seems to me like the Evasion bonus applies to all mobs, not just the one I was currently attacking. Regardless of what the patch info said, it doesn't match up with my experience.
Moral of the wall-of-text- I drove out that party and learned a lot about the SIgnet Defense/Evasion Bonus, and I don't think it applies to only 1 mob, at least as far as Evasion Bonus goes.

My experience matches exactly what the patch says. If I dont engage on the DC, i don't receive the bonus. If I grab the multiple mobs, the other mobs seem to do more damage and I evade less.

[Tricen]

I'd skill up on BRD solo on kuftal crabs. I noticed the effects greatly. I'd go /RDM and phalanx and stoneskin and they didn't really break stoneskin or I evaded then anyways. Very nice bonus, I need to test on EM steelshells though :3

[Max™]

I went from getting beat down by Robber's to being able to solo EM Steelshells one after another.

You can see pretty clearly how it is only what you autotarget by first fighting a mob, noting normal damage, then disengage and watch the damage, and second by fighting two at once, both same level, and seeing that the one not engaged seems like it's much higher level than the one you're fighting.

[Eaglestrike]

I know for certain the defense bonus (damage reduction >.>) only applies to the one you're engaged to. Before RMT took it over I used to farm Demons in Castle Z and if two were swinging at me the BLM would hit me for 70-90 damage and the DRK would hit me for 30-50 since I was engaged to him.