The ethical dilemmas of robotics

[Ace-o-fire]

"Isaac Asimov was already thinking about these problems back in the 1940s, when he developed his famous "three laws of robotics".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6432307.stm


whats your thoughts?

[Devek]

The 3 laws are not well thought out and very dangerous.

I didn't write this.. I don't remember who did.

"Robobuddy, go fetch me a beer. And could you pour it into one of the mugs in the freezer?"
"I'm sorry Sir, the First Law forbids me from harming a human, and alcohol is known to destroy brain cells and cause liver damage."
"Damn you, worthless piece of junk, can't even fetch a beer. Fine, I'll get it mysel--AAAGH! Holy hell! Why'd you punch me?!"
"I'm sorry, Sir, the First Law forbids me to allow through inaction a human to be harmed, even if the harm is self-inflicted."
"But you fucking punched me! That violates the First Law doesn't it!"
"I'm sorry, Sir, but the long term harm of your life of alcohol consumption outweighed the short term harm of preventing you from reaching the fridge. My circuits register deep regret that the action was necessary."
"Whatever, roboasshole. Can you at least grab me a Coke?"
"I'm sorry, Sir, but the First Law forbids me from harming a human, and high fructose corn syrup is a known cause of diabetes."
"I suppose that a meat lovers pizza with extra cheese is right out, then, too."
"Yes Sir. Sorry Sir. Also don't think you can sneak out to the pub without me knowing, Sir."
"Oh god, I'm in hell..."

Robots will do whatever we program them to do.. just as we are programmed to do what we do. If a program did ever become self-aware singularity would happen and all of this would be pointless to discuss anymore

I think in the long run robots and computers will be pointless. With genetic engineering humans could be modified to be stronger and smarter than anything we could create and by the time we made self-aware software it would be kind of silly and useless.

[Kuya]

With genetic engineering humans could be modified to be stronger and smarter than anything we could create and by the time we made self-aware software it would be kind of silly and useless.

Id like scientist to give this some good focus, though many see this as eugenics and argue it as inmoral, because they inmediatly think of people making custom humans, and even trying to eliminate certain human types, but i simply mean enhancing human ability.

But smarter and more capable robots are necesary. As society advances, and the human standard floor grows higher, who is going to do all the grunt work, or work too dangerous for a human? Id much rather prefer all these jobs that require no development in moral, spiritual, or intellectual abilities go to beings that won't need it, like robots, and instead free up humanity to focus in arts, phylosofy, and more science.

[Axil]

SEX BOTS

[finale23]

if a program becomes self aware, laws will be useless since it will choose to do whatever it pleases. if self aware is inevitable, laws are futile. otherwise, we don't need robotic laws.

[BerenTebogo]

She's my sex box!

ANNNNDDDDD her name is Sony!

[Xfaustx]

personally i think modified humans is much more dangerous than a robot who realizes "hey i have a personality". a human knows of the bad things they could do with their super strength. while a robot prolly just wants to chill, talk, and keep on doing sweet things. like "hey let me build and design a sweet house by myself, and then mingle wih my co-robots." where as a human would be like "fuck this shit im gunna rob a band and kill some people"

[finale23]

personally i think modified humans is much more dangerous than a robot who realizes "hey i have a personality". a human knows of the bad things they could do with their super strength. while a robot prolly just wants to chill, talk, and keep on doing sweet things. like "hey let me build and design a sweet house by myself, and then mingle wih my co-robots." where as a human would be like "fuck this shit im gunna rob a band and kill some people"

ghost int he shell come to mind. admittedly, the idea of enhanced humans is pretty awesome, such internet connectivity, satelite communication, super strength, and practical immortality.

[Volken]

ghost int he shell come to mind. admittedly, the idea of enhanced humans is pretty awesome, such internet connectivity, satelite communication, super strength, and practical immortality.

You mean your body "dying" or cognitive thought? The brain would age outside of your body too, because of its own chemical reactions. Even if you could hook up just your brain to a machine you'd turn into a pile of mush in 100 years just like everyone else, there'd be no reason for your brain to "learn" how to live any longer than it was genetically pressured to.

[arlania]

Cyber brains

[Charla]

Is it at all significant that this thread pops up while I'm watching Ghost in the Shell: SAC? Based on the GitS reference I'll assume finale was refering to consciousness independent of the organic brain.

Now, as for the artificial self-awareness, it's important to remember than self-awareness does not necessitate intelligence, or even any particular motivation. Animals can be considered self-aware, but they still generally behave according to observable patterns.

More importantly:

SEX BOTS

You know you all thought of it.

[GraveRobberX]

SEX BOTS

We are not so far off from that becoming a reality

Also Obligatory Robot Sex Pic:

http://www.netground.com/albums/robo....highlight.jpg

[Charla]

Now that I think about it, it's a bit of a tossup whether we figure out lolsexbots or we figure out some VR thing that just makes them totally unnecessary. I mean, why bother with something you have to wipe off afterwards when you can just plug yourself in and imagine it?

Man, GitS takes place in like 2030. That's, like, inside (most of) our life spans. And we can't even get VR that works... we're so far behind schedule...

[Syn]

In before Chobits.

[Flokk_9]

I don't really have any original thoughts beyond his writings.

But I will say, his stuff is *still* fucking fantastic. I died a little inside when Hollywood tortured, maimed, and finally murdered I, Robot.

[Devek]

ghost int he shell come to mind. admittedly, the idea of enhanced humans is pretty awesome, such internet connectivity, satelite communication, super strength, and practical immortality.

You mean your body "dying" or cognitive thought? The brain would age outside of your body too, because of its own chemical reactions. Even if you could hook up just your brain to a machine you'd turn into a pile of mush in 100 years just like everyone else, there'd be no reason for your brain to "learn" how to live any longer than it was genetically pressured to.

Actually most people die to a lack of oxygen to the brain..

WITHOUT genetic engineering a machine could keep the brain alive much longer than our poor bodies could and with a constant uninterrupted supply of what the brain needs you probably would live a lot longer without going senile and all that shit too.

The technology to do that is pretty much here too.. the work is all in getting the nervous system to interface with computers and we already have mouse pointers that work off the nervous system's command and we can also transmit audio and crappy video into the brain too. Eventually we could simulate all aspects of life and just plug a brain into a machine and humans could still interact with the real world by taking over control of robots but they would probably spend most of the time enjoying the virtual world they created to life and work in. It would be heaven on earth..

Overpopulation would be solved because we could store billions of human in a pretty small area. When people are born they would spend the first part of their life working to get enough money to go to heaven with everyone else by doing maintenance of the machinery in place that keeps everyone else alive while having any children they want to have. Though people in the machine could still take care of the machine by assuming control of robots, but there would still be some things better done by people who still have bodies.

With genetic engineering though.. lol, we wouldn't need any of this if our body simply stayed youthful and our brains had small enhancements. There isn't any reason that we HAVE to die.. we are simply programmed to. We have the power to CHANGE that program though and I imagine at some point we will.

I don't think people realize how dumb computers are now and how far off we are from writing anything that is even close to being alive. I've been programming computers for over 20 years in just about any language you can imagine and have even made my own just for fun. Learn how simpe things like.. our eyes work and how our brain makes incredibly detailed pictures yet our eyes only see two tiny dots in front of us.. there isn't a computer in the world powerful enough to do that yet we do it easily.

Computers on the other hand can't do anything. There are basically tractors that just push stuff around. A computer can't even do math.. a simply problem like 5*2 totally baffles a computer and it couldn't solve it if it wanted to. A computer can take a series of bits like 0101 and move them over to 1010 which happens to solve 5*2 and make it seem so smart.. not as smart as the person who made the system though.

Find a way to give my brain some reliable long term storage and quite a bit more short term memory and I could do anything I wanted to do. I could become a brain surgeon or rocket scientist overnight

[finale23]

Is it at all significant that this thread pops up while I'm watching Ghost in the Shell: SAC? Based on the GitS reference I'll assume finale was refering to consciousness independent of the organic brain.

bingo! recently i have been thinking about the possibilities of consciousness's independent existence from our organic brains/bodies. Major in ghost in the hell, who abandoned her entire physcial body, retained much of her personality and intelligence during her unadulterated existence on the web. i am not sure if we will ever achieve that kind of technological advancement, neverthless, i love to entertain ideas such as this because they are so interesting and wild.

i haven't given much deeper thoughts into this, but it just struck me that an existence without a physical body could solve pretty much all the social problems we are facing, such as discrimination, wealth distribution, crimes(reduced to a degree), hunger/diseases(limited to neurological), boundaries(there is no national borders on the web), intergalactic travel(like cylons who can recycle their minds/cognitive beings in battlestar galactica), etc.

[Kuya]

Im sorta scared on how easily people are willing to try and find a quick way out of humanity's problems by transmiting their minds into cyberspace.

~(*.*)~

[BRP]

who is going to do all the grunt work

Mexicans and Chinese.

[finale23]

Im sorta scared on how easily people are willing to try and find a quick way out of humanity's problems by transmiting their minds into cyberspace.

~(*.*)~

i am not saying that's what we should do to get rid of our present problems. what i was trying to get across was the implications arising from consciousness' independent existence from our physcial bodies.

for the record, i am 5'11 and 178 lbs. i dont have any physical disability to speak of, but i wont hestiate to abandon my physcial body if the technology to achieve such feast were ever perfected, because i consider our bodies as a limitation for us to advance to the next level and maximize our potentials. without the menance of diseases or physcial limitations, we can accomplish a lot more as i metioned in my previous post. society in general will be more prosperous due to the eradication of social issues and problems. your loved ones wont die as easily in traffic accidents or from terminal illnesses. one wont be destined to live a life of inequaility and discrimination because he was born with severe physcial handicaps.

if you want to do any physcial chores, you can either have robots to do it for you or download your mind/brain into a cyber body.