Hapernack is highly jaded, 85% of his posts in this topic are made up and he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. IN's skill and knowledge of every detail in fights, with such people as Naerie, Georgethepimp, and Crulion being exceptional at their job, no NA can top these 3, and noone ever will. Kill Tiamat in approximately 45 minutes with less than 18 people, they even once did it with 14. VD wiped to Kirin this week, I don't think that makes you #1, or better yet that doesn't make you the "new IN" LOL. I'm not going to bother quote training every bit of feces that's spewed from Hap's mouth in this thread, because he is already known by way too many as a pathological liar. Most of the current VD members were in an HNMLS when IN was in their prime, so they can't blame the low age of VD compared to IN on why their conquests are over a year later from IN's.