dex/crit relation, WS crits, WS gorgets discussion

[RKenshin]

I'm really looking forward to finishing MNK , fun job and I want to see how it does first-hand in merits. Hopefully will be 75 really soon.

On the DEX topic, I looked a little closer at the parses I have saved and did some quick math. I compared the critical hit-rate with the total DEX I have on certain jobs, and the job with the most DEX in melee gear (WAR) has the highest average critical hit-rate of about 11%, with a total of about 96 DEX for melee gear... So if there is a tier it's definitely safe to assume it's at least above 100 DEX. My guess would be around 120 the way the results have looked so far.

Also, anyone have any clue what the VIT or STR or any attribute of the normal exp mobs would be? I think if we figure out one of those we can at least have an idea of what number their AGI might be around, and by the looks of it now it seems like the tier would be your DEX passing 2x the mob's AGI.

[Sylphet]

I'm relying on him to come up with a devious scheme for my loltaru monk to outparse the adaberk ridill wars in my LS -.-

Can you find a way for my lolelvaan blm to outparse you fatty little tarutaru?

http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/2854

That'll get you there or thereabouts, I'm fairly against putting my pathetic hp even lower just to pull hate faster on a HNM.

In a pickup xp, yeah, but I usually xp with other BLMs in my shell and they're all Sorc Ring, full elemental merits (I have enfeebling), INT merits, AF1 hat, Novio... so they can go balls out damage for things like xp and they get FAR fewer resists on HNMs when they actually stack elemental skill. But.. I never go to HNMs on BLM lol. I will pick one up if I ever have the spare gil but most of my money is going to BRD gear right now. We'll see!

[aurik]

There's an easy way to outparse a taru blm, bind a pudding on him when he's afk resting that ginormous MP pool back.

[RKenshin]

I've always supported casting Dia after the mob is slept and warping.

[Bagel]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... WARRIOR OF THE FUTURE!!

[Blackice]

All that and you didn't make it a mithra? C'mon Bagel, you're losing your touch

[Sylphet]

I've always supported casting Dia after the mob is slept and warping.

You don't have warp.

[RKenshin]

I wasn't saying I should do it, I was saying it's what you should do!

[Ravenlokk]

Nice nice nice zirk.

Cue: People taking back all the mean things they said to me about TP'ing in a Thunder Ring

DEXX POWA!~

[Sylphet]

I'm not mean like you.

[Heroic]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... WARRIOR OF THE FUTURE!!

Uh, nice cape :D

[Zilong]

Nice nice nice zirk.

Cue: People taking back all the mean things they said to me about TP'ing in a Thunder Ring

DEXX POWA!~

less talkie more parsie

[Starr]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... WARRIOR OF THE FUTURE!!

Don't forget to off hand this on DWeapons;
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/it...Arcanabane.png

[Beckwin]

abs-dex/abs-agi > abs-tp now?

[akarikamigishi]

Sorry first post (outside of the new members one). I've been following this from before the derail because I have a maat's cap and any sort of bonus effect would be lovely.

For crit rate, I posted this on KI, but here's a paste because I don't really want to re-edit it all..

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these sites are in japanese. Mobs are Robber Crabs in Kuftal (lvl60-63), testing done as 75thf with 80-120 dex.

http://kranke-web.hp.infoseek.co.jp/...a20060113.html Here he shows that with 100 dex and 120 dex, crit rate stays the same, in this case 24% because of capped crit merits, so 100 DEX hits the hard cap of 20% crits. In this thread it's also shown that THF AF2 body only gives 1% crits.
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I've never used a parser despite being interested in one, mostly because I play on JP client and don't think the divs one will work, and haven't looked for a jp parser yet, so I don't quite have the tools to parse something with my own maat's cap, but hopefully that data comes in handy. That thf parsed something like 30000 hits.

[Keno]

Sorry first post (outside of the new members one). I've been following this from before the derail because I have a maat's cap and any sort of bonus effect would be lovely.

For crit rate, I posted this on KI, but here's a paste because I don't really want to re-edit it all..

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these sites are in japanese. Mobs are Robber Crabs in Kuftal (lvl60-63), testing done as 75thf with 80-120 dex.

http://kranke-web.hp.infoseek.co.jp/...a20060113.html Here he shows that with 100 dex and 120 dex, crit rate stays the same, in this case 24% because of capped crit merits, so 100 DEX hits the hard cap of 20% crits. In this thread it's also shown that THF AF2 body only gives 1% crits.
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I've never used a parser despite being interested in one, mostly because I play on JP client and don't think the divs one will work, and haven't looked for a jp parser yet, so I don't quite have the tools to parse something with my own maat's cap, but hopefully that data comes in handy. That thf parsed something like 30000 hits.

So 24% with 1 handed weapon but because of destroyers they can get 30%? Or am I misreading this? And also correct me if im wrong but dont most people TP in 100+DEX anyways from Haidate and Rajas? So shouldn't we have seen this before? Seems like the crit tier is above 100.

[Chupunpupun]

Sorry first post (outside of the new members one). I've been following this from before the derail because I have a maat's cap and any sort of bonus effect would be lovely.

For crit rate, I posted this on KI, but here's a paste because I don't really want to re-edit it all..

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these sites are in japanese. Mobs are Robber Crabs in Kuftal (lvl60-63), testing done as 75thf with 80-120 dex.

http://kranke-web.hp.infoseek.co.jp/...a20060113.html Here he shows that with 100 dex and 120 dex, crit rate stays the same, in this case 24% because of capped crit merits, so 100 DEX hits the hard cap of 20% crits. In this thread it's also shown that THF AF2 body only gives 1% crits.
--

I've never used a parser despite being interested in one, mostly because I play on JP client and don't think the divs one will work, and haven't looked for a jp parser yet, so I don't quite have the tools to parse something with my own maat's cap, but hopefully that data comes in handy. That thf parsed something like 30000 hits.

So 24% with 1 handed weapon but because of destroyers they can get 30%? Or am I misreading this? And also correct me if im wrong but dont most people TP in 100+DEX anyways from Haidate and Rajas? So shouldn't we have seen this before? Seems like the crit tier is above 100.

Read the first page, there's an explaination there.

P.S. 120DEX during WS would increase the damage more? Wondering if Ninja Tekko +1 would be better than O.kote now...

[Volken]

abs-dex/abs-agi > abs-tp now?

I was SOOOOOOOO right about Regalia's thunder ring. Just for fun, ask nightwind if he has any regalia party parses left on his computer.

[Xno]

2 new item that could be hot in a DEX build :

http://images.somepage.com/ffxi/icons/14983.jpgAskar Manopolas
Jobs: BST DRK DRG PLD SAM WAR
* Dexterity +5
* Evasion +8
* Enmity +4
* Haste +2%



http://images.somepage.com/ffxi/icons/16106.jpgAskar Zucchetto
Jobs: BST DRK DRG PLD SAM WAR
* Strength +4
* Dexterity +4
* Vitality +4
* Haste +4%


And Beckwin, as drk , we cant really reach 120-130 DEX without casting abs DEX at start of every fight ( + im elvaan >.>)

ELvaan Base 65 DEX
Askar head 4 DEX (haste+4 )
Pixie Earring 3 DEX
aberk 10 DEX
askar hand 5 DEX ( haste +2 )
rajas/thunder 10 DEX
commander cape 3 DEX
Ares Flanchard 6 DEX ( double attack+2% make up a bit for the haste loss )
i would stick with homam feet

total DEx : 65+41:106 DEX weak :/

+ our abs DEX 18 => 124 DEX

"if" the limit is at 120 DEX we would not be on tier2 long time

I dont think dex build are for job that cant wear haidate

then haidate is even more overpowered and war&mnk gonna be few % more ahead

[VZX]

Also, anyone have any clue what the VIT or STR or any attribute of the normal exp mobs would be? I think if we figure out one of those we can at least have an idea of what number their AGI might be around, and by the looks of it now it seems like the tier would be your DEX passing 2x the mob's AGI.

Guessing mob VIT with ranged attacks become doable again thanks to last ranged attack patch.

I have no idea how to guess their STR though