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[Taj]

...mentioned they have been critted for 640 (sometimes), and more than 640 (also sometimes)...

I don't think you should really be relying on this information without screenshots.

[divisortheory]

It should be easy enough to test. Take a Lv. 1 mule and a WHM friend to KRT, let the Lv. 1 get killed by Vrtra a few times. After about 20 deaths, if the highest crit wasn't divisible by 3, mobs probably follow different rules than players.

[Therin]

...mentioned they have been critted for 640 (sometimes), and more than 640 (also sometimes)...

I don't think you should really be relying on this information without screenshots.

I think you're just adding fuel to the fire to achieve higher page numbers.

mirite!?!?

[Millael]

Um... 640 isn't divisible by 3, unless I really, REALLY suck at math.

[Fusional]

I might be wrong, but doesn't Fafnir have a level variation when it pops?

Couldn't this explain this kind of a damage fluctuation?

i may also be wrong, but that's always what i've thought.

[divisortheory]

Um... 640 isn't divisible by 3, unless I really, REALLY suck at math.

It's not. And that's what I said

[Ryko]

Um... 640 isn't divisible by 3, unless I really, REALLY suck at math.

What it's divisible by isn't really the operative part here. And if it's not all it does is support the notion that a monster still doesn't apply to the same rules we do. I'm not as personally convicted towards finding out the true math behind why a mob hits the way it does, just the base fact that players and mobs roll with different guidelines.

[Taj]

...mentioned they have been critted for 640 (sometimes), and more than 640 (also sometimes)...

I don't think you should really be relying on this information without screenshots.

I think you're just adding fuel to the fire to achieve higher page numbers.

mirite!?!?

Yeah. :(

[mikazuki]

640 isn't divisible by 2.4 either D:

vzx mentioned that the damage formula is just a model, so there are some conclusions you can't make by using it.
for player damage as well as mob damage.

do you think fafnir DMG is close to 150 div? i think it should be higher, fstr should come to 30-40 if you applied the dmg formula to fafnir, so DMG would be 170-180.
that's really speculative though.

[Bagel]

Aggro'd Wizerd -> Wing, Aggro'd me -> Wing, GM Engaged -> Wing. All within like 15 seconds.

GET THE MELEES OFF! UR MAKIN IT WING SPAAAAAAAAAAM!

[Jer]

It's rather obvious mobs don't adhere to the same damage formulas that we do.

It is?

Considering I've never hit a monster for the same amount of damage my critical does regardless of the damage of my weapon, my level, the mob's level, the mob's vit, my strength, the mob's defense or my current attack uh... yes?

I might be mis-remembering (even a word?), but I thought Aurik posted a SS shortly after he got his relic of him attacking a Groundskeeper and all attacks, normal and critical, were doing the same damage? Would look it up, but I honestly have no idea where it would be.

[Nystul]

on monday at kirin, my tornado II's did the same damage every time (assuming no resist, and the last one was actually windsday so it went up to like 1200) ) at like 1075. Every one. Three kirins in a row, about like...10 casts of the spell, 7 unresisted all did the same damage. Go figure.

But yea I think the mobs and people are running on the same *basic* calculations but the mobs tend to be VERY stat based (ie str/dex) and not so much atk/def based...at least thats why I always assumed bst jug pet damage scales all funny from comperably matched mobs to much underleveled mobs....I know I don't hit a TW mob for like 400 a pop <_< That and they obviously have different rules for how they are impacted by their environment.

[Khelek]

I might be mis-remembering (even a word?)

Yes it is.

[Rocl]

I think I speak for everyone here when I ask you to kindly shut the fuck up Senoska. General questions about crazy math formulas tend to go to the crazy guys who generally answer them (i.e. VZX, Aurik). General questions about something that happened to a specific group of people (i.e. getting on Atomos) tend to go to people who were (i.e. Taj, Wizer and that other guy).

Great, you were talking to someone who was there, my grandfather had a friend who fought in World War II, he never went, but he talks as if he were there. I fucking hated him for it.

See I didn't answer the crazy math question, mr von braun did. Its not rocket science. I'm going to answer a question I know the answer if its a retarded question.

If it where a question about some crazy formula for the damage modifier of dia or some shit I would have not said a word... but..... I mean the screenshot was right there..... I dunno what you expect

YEA I SEE THAT SCREENSHOT RIGHT THERE LET ME MAKE IT A BIG MATH PROBLEM

mSTR(VIT*DEF/HMWAWCCC)^howmanywutssagesundisaysonadailybases = HOW MUCH FUCKING FAFNIR HITS FOR.

I thought I told you to shut up.

[Senoska]

Just throwing this out there for the math nuts that are trying to figure it out;

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9903/damageko4.gif

5 hits.

The only thing I find strange about it is that the level 1 charater has like 0 def but a GM has a shitton and still gets hit for the same amount. A GM has like what 500-600 DEF via their gear? But I'm not very good with math, just figured i'd point that out :<

[BRP]

Oh Critical Attack, how many good threads have you taken from us?

[Taj]

You know I have a screenshot of the whole log, right?

http://euphidime.com/eight.png

[Jeryhn]

You should have asked him to CFH it.

[Rocl]

Oh man that GM must have 5500 HP or more!

[aurik]

Just throwing this out there for the math nuts that are trying to figure it out;

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/9903/damageko4.gif

5 hits.

The only thing I find strange about it is that the level 1 charater has like 0 def but a GM has a shitton and still gets hit for the same amount. A GM has like what 500-600 DEF via their gear? But I'm not very good with math, just figured i'd point that out :<

if the gm is lv1, then any level differential bonus, if one exists, could eliminate all effects of defense gear.

maybe fafnir's D is 160 and pdif is capped at 4?