Re-Hashing the AV Theories [Now about cats]

[Taj]

Ruinous Omen does like 80dmg to major NMs for some reason. It has like a 1% chance of actually working on such NMs.

Completely and utterly untrue. I use Ruinous Omen on Tiamat all the time, and it always does 700-1500.

[Uzor]

Ruinous Omen does like 80dmg to major NMs for some reason. It has like a 1% chance of actually working on such NMs.

Yeah, that was kind of the point. We had a SMN try it out on Tiamat once for like 100 damage. NM's almost always resists it. I also don't think its possible for Ruminous Omen to actually kill something, although I have to admit I never tried actually kill something with it...

[Taj]

Ruinous Omen does like 80dmg to major NMs for some reason. It has like a 1% chance of actually working on such NMs.

Yeah, that was kind of the point. We had a SMN try it out on Tiamat once for like 100 damage. NM's almost always resists it. I also don't think its possible for Ruminous Omen to actually kill something, although I have to admit I never tried actually kill something with it...

Ruinous Omen is like Demi, it does a percentage of their current HP, so of course it could never kill it.

[Fryte]

Hmm. I haven't tried Ruinous Omen since the SMN skill update and I only really played with it on sky gods way back in the day (crazy magic resist), so that might account for it.

Either way, 700-1500 dmg on Tiamat is like 3% of its health?

Though, I'll admit if its true about Absolute Virtue having a HP buffer, a successful flurry of Ruinous Omens would take care of it rather fast, assuming they go unresisted.

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[Byrd]

Well, 1% of AV's max HP is still a hell of a lot. It would be an interesting and potentially very efficient way to start the fight, but that sort of thing couldn't be sustained.

I thought AV's max HP was proven to vary within the same fight (based on Benedictions at different times), and the popular theory was that summoning wynavs reduced his max HP.

Yeah, yeah, GTFO, I know, I know....

[Cautery]

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[psychodwarf]

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[Kalyna]

Way back during that first LS that got AV locked on the wall and was fighting it, they reported that AV did Benediction a few times, and managed to calculate AV's HP based on the % when AV used benediction and the amount of HP it recovered. They reported that during the second/third Benedictions, AV's max HP was calculated to be less than during the first Benediction.

This may suggest that AV's max HP might be able to be forcibly decreased. IF this is true, then it might be possible to lower AV's max HP down to the point where we could wipe out all 100% of its HP within a few rounds of nukes.

Ok, theory done. Go back to derailing.

[Kirschy]

I've used Diabolos 2HR plenty of times. I often see it resisted, and sometimes does static damage regardless of the changing HP of the mob we're killing. I know the wording on the help text appears to be HP dependant, I've never seen it be that effective. On that note, it's still magic damage, and will apply to the magic damage taken/MDB from AV.

[aurik]

The point of this discussion (besides cats): unless you can one-shot AV, its pointless because he uses Benediction at will.

[Taj]

The point of this discussion (besides cats): unless you can one-shot AV, its pointless because he uses Benediction at will.

This may suggest that AV's max HP might be able to be forcibly decreased. IF this is true, then it might be possible to lower AV's max HP down to the point where we could wipe out all 100% of its HP within a few rounds of nukes.

[Gerion]

SMN two hour seems HP dependant on mobs that aren't too strong to resist it. I was helping with MNK AF3 Yagudo in Oztroja about 6 months ago, and a SMN used Ruinous Omen for about 7000 damage. It took about 1/3 of its HP off IIRC, making the job a lot easier.

[Ashira]

Way back during that first LS that got AV locked on the wall and was fighting it, they reported that AV did Benediction a few times, and managed to calculate AV's HP based on the % when AV used benediction and the amount of HP it recovered. They reported that during the second/third Benedictions, AV's max HP was calculated to be less than during the first Benediction.

This may suggest that AV's max HP might be able to be forcibly decreased. IF this is true, then it might be possible to lower AV's max HP down to the point where we could wipe out all 100% of its HP within a few rounds of nukes.

Ok, theory done. Go back to derailing.

The OP is in that first LS that got AV locked on the wall, and the one that farmed him for 2 months until it got ninja'd.

And he's also the leader of my Dynamis shell; get back, damn you all you haters! HISS SWAT GROWL RAWR :D

<< enough cat for any thread about cats

From what a few people have said in random conversations I've had with them, LimitBreak ("that first LS") is looking to seriously go for AV again, and Gero is trying to get serious input here. It is true, every single thread gets derailed into lolav lolebonpanels so that trying to find actual hard data about this that and the other, especially since the ninjafix, is kinda hard.

From what I recall, and you may want to talk to Kaeko about this Gero; TK tried AV the week after the ninjafix, and it was still possible to break regen but beyond that nothing else was found, except that it was ninjafixed. ._. Regarding what one poster said about regen resetting after 2 hrs/Meteor going off, I honestly do not remember. I don't recall us doing a super sac-attack to break the Regen more than the one time though.

As to the Max HP decrease, I'm not sure; I remember it Benedictioning a LOT for LB in one fight, much to their chagrin, but that was also quite a bit of time before the ninja.

I don't know how much information is available at this point, so many shells just wrote it off after it was found it couldn't be locked up anymore.

The whole Jailer of Love # of summons nonsense *was* thrown out though, wasn't it? After the edit?

[Uzor]

If we're goign to talk about theories, I think the one in the OP is the way to go. I sent it in PM's to him as this thread were derailed, but as we seem to be slightly on-track atm...

When he spawned last weekend, our THF TA'd him from behind and got a message similar to "Absolute Virtue's powers are absorbed by the Justice Sword". After this we tried to duplicate it without success.

We didn't think much about it then, as we thought it had reset once he got back to his spawn point, but thinking back about it, I can't remember him ever respawning his Wyverns after this. I believe someone even wondering in LS when he would respawn them.

And no, I don't have screenshots of this. I were changing to WHM at the time.

If I'm not mistaken, AV's Wyverns also use Mijin Gakure. Besides, for all we know AV were broken before and now he's fixed. Have anyone ever realyl done any conclusive tests about the weapons AFTER they "broke" him?

[Noneko]

When he spawned last weekend, our THF TA'd him from behind and got a message similar to "Absolute Virtue's powers are absorbed by the Justice Sword". After this we tried to duplicate it without success.

wut

[Nagamaki]

When he spawned last weekend, our THF TA'd him from behind and got a message similar to "Absolute Virtue's powers are absorbed by the Justice Sword". After this we tried to duplicate it without success.

2 possible conclusions :

A - Flat out lie

B - Every person present has the brain capacity of a deceased slug, and somehow didn't realize that such a message would be the biggest breakthrough in the history of AV.

I'm leaning towards A, however attractive the deceased slug choice is.

[Uzor]

When he spawned last weekend, our THF TA'd him from behind and got a message similar to "Absolute Virtue's powers are absorbed by the Justice Sword". After this we tried to duplicate it without success.

2 possible conclusions :

A - Flat out lie

B - Every person present has the brain capacity of a deceased slug, and somehow didn't realize that such a message would be the biggest breakthrough in the history of AV.

I'm leaning towards A, however attractive the deceased slug choice is.

Indeed, he could be flat-out lieing. As I stated in the other thread that were locked and moved, he plays on PS2 and were unable to provide me with a screenshot of it. However, since I can't remember AV ever resummon his wyverns, it is a possibility.

I still do not believe that just because you're tired of AV spawn threads, you should derail every topic regarding AV. In all honesty, what damage can be done? What could possibly be the harm of NOT derailing a thread? I don't see anyone else coming out with any ideas about how to defeat AV. If you feel like throwing dead corpses at him without even attempting to beat him, or just stare at him untill he despawn, be my guest. However, doing that won't make us get anywhere anytime.

No one is forcign you to open this thread and read the posts. So if you think the thread is so worthless that you just HAVE to say "lol ebonpanels", I really do feel sorry that you do not have anything better to do with your life, other then read and respond to a thread you're clearly not interrested in.

[Elmer the Pointy]

I'm a little late, but have some cats:


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P.S. That guy is lying about the Justice Sword