Re-Hashing the AV Theories [Now about cats]

[Sixtail]

Why would SE ninja-fix AV to be killable and not say a word about it? Ninja breaking something I can understand simply to lol at people trying to kill it and pooring bucketloads of exp into it.

Also the eight hours thing is out the window. Didn't we have one LS spend almost 14 hours sacing and trying everything under the stars and moon at AV?

[Nagamaki]

That wasn't ninja'd at all, like the above post said.

Would be nice to figure where such a message went in the dat files though, since that could be where the (almost certainly non-existent and made up) absorbed message would be.

[Lylie]

Why would SE ninja-fix AV to be killable and not say a word about it? Ninja breaking something I can understand simply to lol at people trying to kill it and pooring bucketloads of exp into it.

Also the eight hours thing is out the window. Didn't we have one LS spend almost 14 hours sacing and trying everything under the stars and moon at AV?

Because saying they fixed something would mean it was broken in the first place, and SE wouldn't want to admit they broke something.

[fallenleaf]

bloody hell i didn't say 8hrs

SE already said spells of the current day weaken regen
I'm saying weapon 'of the current day' weakens something too maybe

[Gere]

Why would SE ninja-fix AV to be killable and not say a word about it? Ninja breaking something I can understand simply to lol at people trying to kill it and pooring bucketloads of exp into it.

Also the eight hours thing is out the window. Didn't we have one LS spend almost 14 hours sacing and trying everything under the stars and moon at AV?

Because saying they fixed something would mean it was broken in the first place, and SE wouldn't want to admit they broke something.

Then why do they admit they broke stuff all the time via patch notes?

[aurik]

If the message exists, it certainly is localized. Therefore it should exist in the client somewhere: either in the dat files or in the executable.

[BRP]

The only way to defeat AV is to uninstall CoP.

[Lylie]

Then why do they admit they broke stuff all the time via patch notes?

All the time? I think not. There's a reason if people are talking about SE~ninja~fix, it didn't came out of the blue.

[Scythiroth]

The only way to defeat AV is to uninstall CoP.

That gave me a nice laugh lol.

[Gere]

Then why do they admit they broke stuff all the time via patch notes?

All the time? I think not. There's a reason if people are talking about SE~ninja~fix, it didn't came out of the blue.

From the recent patch notes:

* An event during the quest “Promotion: Chief Sergeant” progressing in an incorrect manner under certain circumstances.
* An incorrect message being displayed when talking to the NPC Shahayl in the Nyzul Isle staging point.
* An incorrect message being displayed when talking to the Chocobo Racing Association NPCs in San d'Oria, Bastok, and Windurst.
* The inability to correctly exit from Assault and Salvage areas when under the effect of the Poroggo ability “Frog Song.”
* The effect of the monster ability “Granite Skin” not functioning as intended.
* The physical blue magic spell “Disseverment” being incorrectly classified as a magical effect and being usable with the “Burst Affinity” ability.
* The inability to place other furnishings on top of the “wardrobe” item when using the Layout function in your Mog House.
* The item help text for “gil” not being displayed.
* The top Auto-Translate Dictionary entry under Text Commands in the French and German versions being blank. If this entry was selected, only the red and green brackets would be displayed.
* The game occasionally freezing when displaying a message in the Friend List.

That sounds like a whole lot of admitting mistakes.

Your argument of it being a pride issue makes no sense, more than likely whenever they "ninja fix" something, it's for one of these reasons:

a) They forgot to put it in the notes
b) The made the change at the last minute so there was no time for it to get approved/typed into the notes
c) Telling us exactly what they fixed would give us information about game mechanics they intend for us to figure out for ourselves.

For instance, if they were to say:

*An issue where the current day of the week had an improper effect on crafting results

Then we would know for sure that the day of the week does indeed have an effect on the results of crafting, and they have made it clear past that they object to us having any information about that.

[Khamsin]

Only Ruinous Omen I ever did to AV was like 650 damage.

But we all know the real solution to AV is to drag all the hpemdes in southern Al'Taieu over next to a yellow AV and have a few BLMs target each one and all Elemental Seal + -ga III. Despite being yellow on death, he'll still drop items just like crawlers do when BLMs gather 50 of them and -ga farm silk threads.

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[Lylie]

That sounds like a whole lot of admitting mistakes.

Yup, they never ninja~fixed anything. Like, for instance, AV has never been ninja~edited... Oh wait.

[Gere]

Yup, they never ninja~fixed anything. Like, for instance, AV has never been ninja~edited... Oh wait.

Where did I say they never ninja fixed anything?

[Ashira]

Why would SE ninja-fix AV to be killable and not say a word about it? Ninja breaking something I can understand simply to lol at people trying to kill it and pooring bucketloads of exp into it.

Also the eight hours thing is out the window. Didn't we have one LS spend almost 14 hours sacing and trying everything under the stars and moon at AV?

That would be the LS the OP is in... was near the end of that stretch that they found the wall. -.-

[Kaylia]

Only Ruinous Omen I ever did to AV was like 650 damage.

But we all know the real solution to AV is to drag all the hpemdes in southern Al'Taieu over next to a yellow AV and have a few BLMs target each one and all Elemental Seal + -ga III. Despite being yellow on death, he'll still drop items just like crawlers do when BLMs gather 50 of them and -ga farm silk threads.[/img]

You could just nuke AV with 18 blm at time, than move in the next alliance after they die. If everyone is dead, you can hold it it with 3 or 4 smn level 1 and 2 brd 75 to prevent the regen after it unaggro.

Except it would build crazy elemental magic resist and it would fail >_>


[edit]

I would still like to see a real zerg attempt on a CFH AV. Who knows, maybe it reraise now with 100 hp, losing the call for help and allowing you to kill it easily.

Even if it doesn work, it would probably teach us a few thing about its "bracelet mode" and behavior when its almost dead (assuming it was changed ).

[Lylie]

Where did I say they never ninja fixed anything?

Where did I say they never admited anything?

Everything you quoted were minor fixes after updates. AV is supposedly killable from what SE said, and we all know it's been ninja~edited a few times. So saying they fixed it, would mean it was broken in the first place, but they wouldn't want that, because it's supposedly killable.

[Gere]

Where did I say they never ninja fixed anything?

Where did I say they never admited anything?

Everything you quoted were minor fixes after updates. AV is supposedly killable from what SE said, and we all know it's been ninja~edited a few times. So saying they fixed it, would mean it was broken in the first place, but they wouldn't want that, because it's supposedly killable.

I'm not saying anything like that, all I'm saying is that their motivation behind hiding update details goes beyond "we must not appear weak in front of the Gaijin wwwwwwww".

[Linsivi]

Here's my plan for AV. I don't expect it to work, I think the mob is broken. But maybe it will do *something*.

Initial hold party:
PLD/NIN x3
RDM/BLU (healing breeze spam)
WHM/BLM

More then likely use the footprint to keep tanks alive. Get initial hate, lots of it. Flash, Sent, Rampart all the goodies. Make AV unclaimed (disengage I guess?).

Damage alliance:
SMN x5
BRD

SMN x5
BRD

SAM/THF x2
THF/SAM x2
BRD
RDM (bio whore)

Evis > Gekki > Darkness

Astral Flow, Diablos, Ruinous Omen

???

Profit.

It's a percentage based attack, who knows if it will work. But it won't get owned by Invincible, avatars will have hate, and tanks can rejoin after initial burst to flash and hopefully get hate back. Assuming you do not get ass raped by aoe, that would be a minimum 30 Ruinous Omens. They would have to do 3.3% each to kill. I don't expect it to kill, I think it will do a sizeable chunk, enough for some kraken darks to finish the job.

So anyone actually used Ruinous Omen more than once?

how the fuck are people privy to the relic horn when they suggest shit like ruinous omen and tachi:"Gekki"

i hope you fight it on Lightsday

Because I and o aren't right next to each other right? Sorry was posting on my phone,, keyboard is kind of small.

[Kimiko]

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[Renzoukan]

i had a thought about AV and all, something nobody thought of before from my research. But eh, rather keep to myself then get lawled at.