PLD vs WAR vs Stainslav vs Aurik vs Ryko

[BRP]

Then why are people posting Kool-Aid pictures about being in up one's Kool-Aid. I'm out of the loop here. Well, anyway, as long people didn't think I was serious.

[Rocl]

He's never been overly bright. >:

[Ashira]

hi rocl



/sigattack

[Rocl]

Your avatar is just as creepy >(

[XxSlusherxx]

The main reason the PLD DD > average war DD thing is so prevelent is because, Homam joy/just are so much easier to get than Ebody/Haidate/Ridill. WHile in a all things considered equal argument it would be easier to side with Aurik, it's still true that you can get a DD pld geared perfectly without ever claiming a king and only sacrafice N.head/legs.

Edit:Haidate I guess being kinda outdated now(difficulty), but at one time.

[Isildur]

The main reason the PLD DD > average war DD thing is so prevelent is because, Homam joy/just are so much easier to get than Ebody/Haidate/Ridill. WHile in a all things considered equal argument it would be easier to side with Aurik, it's still true that you can get a DD pld geared perfectly without ever claiming a king and only sacrafice N.head/legs.

Edit:Haidate I guess being kinda outdated now(difficulty), but at one time.

its still difficult to get other heca gear from sky, especially nowadays...you have to wait for all the DDs to get heca before, and ironically the only heca i have is N head

[Ceberoth]

Hmm.. I came to see r33t equips, but I've been sadly dissapointed

What are we talking about?!

[Dohorehn]

blah blah blah w/ screenshots. HAI GUYS I R RMT! AINT I COOL?

Go away.

[Tajin]

-You don't have the sword,
-you don't know how to play this game.

:D

Dang i'm late to the party.

[DrObvious]

The main reason the PLD DD > average war DD thing is so prevelent is because, Homam joy/just are so much easier to get than Ebody/Haidate/Ridill. WHile in a all things considered equal argument it would be easier to side with Aurik, it's still true that you can get a DD pld geared perfectly without ever claiming a king and only sacrafice N.head/legs.

Edit:Haidate I guess being kinda outdated now(difficulty), but at one time.

Ebody is barely any stronger than haub +1.

Good players > average players, that's all there is to it.

[Halcyon]

I can sum up this thread in 3 words:



Internet. Serious Business.

[Sidanoir]

The main reason the PLD DD > average war DD thing is so prevelent is because, Homam joy/just are so much easier to get than Ebody/Haidate/Ridill. WHile in a all things considered equal argument it would be easier to side with Aurik, it's still true that you can get a DD pld geared perfectly without ever claiming a king and only sacrafice N.head/legs.

Edit:Haidate I guess being kinda outdated now(difficulty), but at one time.

Ebody is barely any stronger than haub +1.

Good players > average players, that's all there is to it.

Barely...wait what?
6 STR 6 DEX vs....10 STR 10 DEX...
12 Accuracy 12 Attack vs 15 Accuracy 15 Attack....
so...
4 STR 4 DEX 3 Acc 3 Attack..
in FFXI terms to me this is anything but barely...
Normal HQ is usually 1 stat plus (1 str more, 1 attack more etc.)....
There is BARELY any difference between NQ and HQ hauby...
I can see saying barely for NQ vs HQ...but when you jump that much in stats it ceases to be barely to me...
Anyway that difference of opinion aside,
You are right about good players > average players, that makes the most difference if both players have reasonable gear...

Anyways, imho PLD and DRK are a lot alike in terms of their DD capability at a high level...they can use a lot of the same gear...PLD has good STR...
Obviously DRK has quite a few advantages, but then again PLD was given defensive traits and dark offensive..
Thats not to say that DRK cant be a half ass blood tank..one day for shits and giggles I did a DRK/WAR blood tank build to exp in Lufaise Meadows...it worked pretty well and didnt get hit much harder than pld...was kind of fun actually lol since its not your normal role for dark

Honestly if a war has all gear barring e body/ridill/haidate...they would still trounce a PLD for DD ....be surprised to see otherwise

[XxSlusherxx]

Honestly if a war has all gear barring e body/ridill/haidate...they would still trounce a PLD for DD ....be surprised to see otherwise

if your arguing against my point, which I think you are, I would guess a PLD in full homam joy/just will trounce a war with even excelent ah gear. Rember we're talking two multi attacking swords, and a haste/acc build allowing meat in almost all settings is no joke.

[Sidanoir]

Honestly if a war has all gear barring e body/ridill/haidate...they would still trounce a PLD for DD ....be surprised to see otherwise

if your arguing against my point, which I think you are, I would guess a PLD in full homam joy/just will trounce a war with even excelent ah gear. Rember we're talking two multi attacking swords, and a haste/acc build allowing meat in almost all settings is no joke.

Some flaws with your claim...
Vorpal Blade fails compared to Rampage...

PLD dot even with meat won't be that good, no zerk/aggresor...

A dual axe warrior with 8 axe merits can most certainly use meat on most merit mobs. And full homam is a wopping 12% haste...

Lets see now

Dusk hands, dusk feet (or unicorn) + Turban... 10%..or 11%...
So haste is equivalent....just about..only taking into account body pieces since your PLD is a full homam one...

So tell me where does PLD have the edge?

[XxSlusherxx]

So tell me where does PLD have the edge?

Multi-attack A+ weapon in both hands and meat+bard pretty much makes Berserk irrelevant, not completly no, but Just ask a mnk/nin, it's more about double attack than berserk.

pld can equip turban also

[Sidanoir]

So tell me where does PLD have the edge?

Multi-attack A+ weapon in both hands and meat+bard pretty much makes Berserk irrelevant, not completly no, but Just ask a mnk/nin, it's more about double attack than berserk.

Not going to edge out the rest of what warrior has to offer not even close...if I took off my adaman hauberk, ridill and byakkos haidate ....i would still beat a PLD geared like you said in full homam in a parse...

MNK/NIN is a different story, has low delay and relatively high Damage...and a much better WS
PLD/NIN will have a higher delay..less damage per hit and a fucktastic WS...

That being said MNK/NIN is total crap without the gear to back it up.....

Anyways if you really think a PLD/NIN will beat a WAR/NIN in a parse with the gear you said....find a good WAR and tell them not to use those 3 pieces of gear...If the PLD wins ill believe you if not its just a bunch of hand waving...even if the PLD won i would question if the WAR was good....just not gonna happen

[XxSlusherxx]

It depends on the way you look at it. I guess I'm saying, how much easer it is to max out a PLDs TP gear, as compared to a war, a PLD with full homam joy/just is more common and can outdamage the absolute majority of Warriors who don't have access to the harder endgame items that War can use.

If you already knew what the point I was trying to make was, then I dunno what to else to tell you besides that I don't agree.

If your agreeing with Aurik, then I agree with you. I'm not making an all things being equal argument.

So tell me where does PLD have the edge?

Multi-attack A+ weapon in both hands and meat+bard pretty much makes Berserk irrelevant, not completly no, but Just ask a mnk/nin, it's more about double attack than berserk.

Not going to edge out the rest of what warrior has to offer not even close...

I don't even know what your getting at here? what else is there to offer, plds going to attack faster and more often and his attack is going to be near cap. Yes Rampage, but have you ever exp'd with FOrtatude axe, you get tp like 3 times to anything but samuari, joy/just would own war on tp.

[Sidanoir]

I wouldn't call full Homam easy to get unless your LS allows you to loot whore.....assuming the pieces even drop

We haven't seen hands/feet in god knows how long...for instance...

I agree that PLD could be a decent DD if done right, I don't agree it will beat a well geared WAR/NIN...there are some shitty ones it would beat sure ..

PLD will never be in the big 3 merit DDs which is NIN/MNK/WAR in my eyes...
Although DRK/WAR, SAM/WAR are great they suck up too much mp potentially

[XxSlusherxx]

I know a pld with all that gear...

but he has katana merits for his Kikoku

[Sidanoir]

Meat eating PLD with the gear your talking about isn't going to cap accuracy...
Aggresor is something PLD won't have either don't forget...and with some merits they are pretty much always up..

Not to mention WAR has more attack naturally and double attack naturally...

Joyeuse and Justice are both horrible damage weapons....so your average hit isn't going ot be that great and your WS will suffer even more