Enmity-

[Naver]

My Enmity slots

Head - Crow's Beret (7) (other options come to mind, HQ beret, or Yigit)
Neck - Fenrir's Torque (3)
Earring - Novia (7)
Rings - Trooper's (4) \ Tamas (3)
Body - WHM AF2 , Errant (3)
Hands - Blessed (3)
Back - Amity (3) (waiting to hit 98 cloth to synth it --; )
Waist - Penitent's (3)
Legs - Blessed (5)
Feet - Blessed (4)
Ammo - Hedgehog Bomb (1)

Total of: -46 at night, -43 at day

Overkill much really, though unsure if it gives diminishing returns or not. Sometimes I feel it's overdoing it and I can let up on some peices but this is the macro I switch into after I've used my Max MP, mp. (If that makes sense). Thanks to some great advice and criticsm I feel my setup can work with any tanks and not pull hate as much.

Edit: Bercus reminded me of my HH Bomb in his post below

[Solefald]

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IMO that's way too much, especially the p. rope and crow beret.

I normally cure in 21-22 enmity- and only stack on more for a few fights where hate is looser, like some jailers. For more difficult fights you should have nin/drk or pld/nin tanks, and hate should never be an issue. Cure IV is fine to use too, it's pretty overrated in terms of enmity generation.

[Nirokun!]

peni rope should be a standard item in the inventory of all mages >_> lol

[Sylphet]

peni rope should be a standard item in the inventory of all mages >_> lol

what he said <.<

and.. Cure IV is the PLD hate machine spell.. it's enmity is NOT overrated at all and really should only be used by a WHM in very specific situations. Believe me, as a 75 RDM and WHM there is a HUGE difference, and I have some of the best -enmity gear in the game.

Cure III and Cure V really should be your staple cures.

[Dammerung]

you forget korin obi, medicine ring

(and HQ nobles, aristo )

& volunteer's khud in besieged, and healing feather if you want to go crazy

peni rope should be a standard item in the inventory of all mages >_> lol

I've never had one and never will, I don't like -hp and cleric's belt is just awesome >.>

re: enmity

My standard equip has -26, macro in an extra -12 if needed (raven beret/trooper's ring). I do think there is a point of diminishing returns. I don't bother to idle in cleric's briault for another -2, kinda feels like too much work and too much blinking.

[bercus]

peni rope should be a standard item in the inventory of all mages >_> lol

Spectral belt a lot better for WHMs though imo.
(Using Penitents only for BLM right now and leveling RDM up)
Enmity-4 and instead of a HP loss you gain MP.

Oh and Crow/Raven Beret is NOT overrated. Its a lot better then a fucking
Faerie Hairpin or Zenith Crown. I am a Zenith Hater cause I dont need those additional MP at the start. ( I regret uncursing Crown and Legs )

Faeri Hairpin/Yigit head/Raven > Zenith Crown.
Blessed legs > Zenith legs.

I rarely use Zenith legs.

And body wise AF2 Body or Noble is fine. Id stick with Noble though cause of the Cure potency.

So my EXP Gear is MP Gear.

My HNM Gear is :

Head - Raven Beret (8) (Yigit(5))
Neck - Benign neckless (2) or Golden Rep Medal
Earring - Morukkaka and Loq.
Rings - Trooper's (4) \ BQ ring or Medicine or Peace(1) or Vivian
Body - Noble Tunic
Hands - Blessed (3) or WHM AF2 Hands (4)
Back - Errant Cape (5)
Waist - Spectral belt (4)
Legs - Blessed (5)
Feet - Blessed (4)
Throwing - Hedg bomb (1)
Weapon - Templar Mace and Genbu Shield / Healing Staff

So I usually have 8+2+5+4+5+4+5+4+1 = Enmity-38

Good mix of MP Gear, Cure potency Gear, HP Gear and Enmity- and Haste

[Fng]

So I was wondering something while working on JOL (gosh that is a boring fight)...


If your action starts outside of hate range (is that 30?) and ends on someone inside of hate range, does that creat enimity for you?


Example

JOL > Tank > me at 35 distance. Am I getting hate? I certianly cant see anything scroll across my screen at that distance which is my normal BST routine for knowing I am free to self cure..

[Sylphet]

So I was wondering something while working on JOL (gosh that is a boring fight)...


If your action starts outside of hate range (is that 30?) and ends on someone inside of hate range, does that creat enimity for you?


Example

JOL > Tank > me at 35 distance. Am I getting hate? I certianly cant see anything scroll across my screen at that distance which is my normal BST routine for knowing I am free to self cure..

Yes you will get hate. I'm assuming you mean JoL (@15 distance) to tanks (@20 distance) to you right? However, you will be out of hate range for self cure.

Example of this: PLD decides to Flash Tiamat from ~15 distance. I hate him from 18 distance. He dies. I try to run away but get pulled in. I definately had hate on Tiamat as did the other members of our party who didn't even do anything (out of range). (Don't ask, we were being silly).

[Obev]

peni rope should be a standard item in the inventory of all mages >_> lol

Kyew eff tee.

I even macro one in on bard for buff songs. Corsette +1 otherwise, but charisma's not gonna help me with Minuet. To those who don't like the -HP, I gots two words for you: Minstrel's. Ring.

[Nirokun!]

why does it matter if you blink out? nobody (save a rdm?) will ever target you lol wear your cleric's briault as part of a standing gear macro, then have a cure+ macro that you hit while you start casting cure on someone

i like peni rope for the mnd and the -enmity for my whm. i end up having +50? mnd for my cure macro, which i think is pretty good. and that rope is useful for my blm(nukes/stoneskin), my blu(nukes/magic fruit/carrot), and my smn(cure/stoneskin) >_> i will agree that spectral belt is a better piece for purely HNM curing, but penitent's rope is a more versatile piece that ppl with multiple jobs would make better use of. And~ i dont think the -20hp is a big deal, i have the HP merits to offset that

i think whms should be using Yigit Turban for their cures and stoneskin >_> i dont think raven should be used as an excuse to go crazy with cures.

And to Sylphet! PSHAW! CureII and situational CureV should be your staples! :D

[Eldelphia]

Using my Yigit turban more and more now, really like it. And my mp is comfortably high that I notice the loss far less than I thought. I'm not even a taru. Part of the reason that I'm meriting MP though is so that I can switch gear around a lot without gimping my MP pool. Maximising potential I guess.

Items I want which will boost my -emn are blessed pumps +1 and maybe errant cape but I'm not as bothered about that because a) I'd like to sign my own eventually and b) I like my internsifying cos it gives me more HP! I forgot I also have a Fenrir's torque. I guess you just tailor your gear to fights. Recently our fights have been 'bigger' and so more -EMN has come out.

I have a penitent's rope but I don't always use it. Rejigging macros though at the moment.

[Ohemgee]

you forget korin obi, medicine ring

(and HQ nobles, aristo )

Yeah but thats not realistic (/nin for Kirin and HNMs)

[Sylphet]

i think whms should be using Yigit Turban for their cures and stoneskin >_>:D

Condom hat +1 for Cure V and Stoneskin (if you're not already at cap)!

I wear Yigit for almost everything else, including hMP.

you forget korin obi, medicine ring

(and HQ nobles, aristo )

Yeah but thats not realistic (/nin for Kirin and HNMs)

It's very realistic. It's rather unusual that your linkshell uses WHMs for kiting Kirin. WHM tanking does happen but it's still pretty rare and (imo) not the best use of a WHM. I've played around with WHM/NIN for some things and it is fun but for 95% of all situations I find either /SMN or /BLM to be superior.

Not to mention that you, like me are Elvaan and can handle being at 75% HP and still have more HP than your average taru WHM. You just have to make sure that doesn't put you in a danger zone for the AOE of the mob you're fighting.

Korin Obi is basically free, as is a medicine ring. It's one thing to say that you can't afford an aristo, that's reasonable but the other 2 are completely obtainable. It ends up being a choice as to whether you chose to use do a HP down setup for use with medicine ring.

[Nirokun!]

i tried to use a macro to swap in my max mp gear (lots of -hp gear) to activate the latent, but the macro lagged or something, and i abandoned the extra 10% potency, oh well

korin obi i dont really use that much (mostly temenos lol) but i keep it on me when i judge the current day and length of my event worthy of bringing it.

i never bothered with af1+1 hat because i have yigit, and im pretty sure with my +60'something mnd (and af2 boots) im at the cap, never really bothered to look your -inventory can gtfo i love my hmp setup <3<3

[Sylphet]

There is no cap on Cure V.

My Cure V is at 860 (no medicine ring or obi) and I just got a communion earring so that should bump it up a bit... though I haven't been on WHM on Syl once since I got Gjallarhorn (week and a half ago);

and hMP is WIN!!!

[Sidanoir]

There is no cap on Cure V.

My Cure V is at 860 (no medicine ring or obi) and I just got a communion earring so that should bump it up a bit... though I haven't been on WHM on Syl once since I got Gjallarhorn (week and a half ago);

and hMP is WIN!!!

You really go bard to everything? /comfort!
Should let you go WHM to some stuffs, Gjallarhorn is very useful but far from necessary on most things unless your small manning everything then its value is far greater.

[Suiram]

So I was wondering something while working on JOL (gosh that is a boring fight)...


If your action starts outside of hate range (is that 30?) and ends on someone inside of hate range, does that creat enimity for you?


Example

JOL > Tank > me at 35 distance. Am I getting hate? I certianly cant see anything scroll across my screen at that distance which is my normal BST routine for knowing I am free to self cure..

Yes you will get hate. I'm assuming you mean JoL (@15 distance) to tanks (@20 distance) to you right? However, you will be out of hate range for self cure.

Example of this: PLD decides to Flash Tiamat from ~15 distance. I hate him from 18 distance. He dies. I try to run away but get pulled in. I definately had hate on Tiamat as did the other members of our party who didn't even do anything (out of range). (Don't ask, we were being silly).

Ehh I just saw this. I just asked basically the exact same question in the "Ranged Attacks vs. Magic Attacks" thread and got the opposite answer lol

[Nirokun!]

There is no cap on Cure V.

My Cure V is at 860 (no medicine ring or obi) and I just got a communion earring so that should bump it up a bit... though I haven't been on WHM on Syl once since I got Gjallarhorn (week and a half ago);

and hMP is WIN!!!

i was talking about stoneskin lol

my cure V is about the same, maybe i'll have someone to cureV tonight and report back to you what that is lol

[Sylphet]

So I was wondering something while working on JOL (gosh that is a boring fight)...


If your action starts outside of hate range (is that 30?) and ends on someone inside of hate range, does that creat enimity for you?


Example

JOL > Tank > me at 35 distance. Am I getting hate? I certianly cant see anything scroll across my screen at that distance which is my normal BST routine for knowing I am free to self cure..

Yes you will get hate. I'm assuming you mean JoL (@15 distance) to tanks (@20 distance) to you right? However, you will be out of hate range for self cure.

Example of this: PLD decides to Flash Tiamat from ~15 distance. I hate him from 18 distance. He dies. I try to run away but get pulled in. I definately had hate on Tiamat as did the other members of our party who didn't even do anything (out of range). (Don't ask, we were being silly).

Ehh I just saw this. I just asked basically the exact same question in the "Ranged Attacks vs. Magic Attacks" thread and got the opposite answer lol

Maybe it's different for a XP mob vs a HNM that has draw in?
I'm not really sure about that. Could be tested pretty easily though. What I was speaking about was what I have experienced with HNMs. These also have party/ally hate and draw in so there may be a difference there.

Sidanoir:

I don't really mind going on BRD. It was my choice to get Gjallarhorn and I _just_ got it so the novelty has far from worn off. Not only is it the first for our linkshell, it's the only one on the server. I'm actually very impressed at it's performance so far and I love how much easier it makes certain things.
However yes, I still really love WHM. It was my first job and I have put a lot of effort into it. BRD also doesn't take that much brain power to do well <.<;
I happen to have a level 75 hume WHM mule though. She's actually holding most of my best non rare-ex gear now and I 2 box her a lot. So, I still get to play WHM! However, I need some work to get her up to HNM specs (mostly merits and some af2/af+1, but she has AF2 pants already so that's key). However it isn't hard to merit her since she's also 75 BRD, NIN and MNK, just need to find the time ><.

[Solefald]

What are you guys fighting that requires putting -enmity in nearly every slot? At Tiamat I literally spam curaga and flash for much of the fight as solo whm wearing -22 enm, and never pull hate off our tanks. Hate is never a problem for whm for any fight that uses nin/drk or pld/nin, and only on rare occasions does one of our novio blms take hate. I'm not saying this to brag or anything as I know BtL and others have better geared and experienced players than ours.

And Cure IV is really not that bad, there is a big difference between using it with 0 -enm like most rdms do and with a lot of -enm that whms wear.

104 mnd is the cap for whm stoneskin. 100 mnd if you wear cleric's duckbills, i think.