The holocaust didn't happen.

[Garret]

Fact: History is written by the winners, hence why the winners always look like the "good guys" and their enemies are made look like the "zomg evil people" that tried wiping them from existence.

While somewhat true, that is also just about exactly what the Nazi's were trying to do. Hitler was a flat out psycho, go read Mein Kampf if you think the Allies painted him as too evil.

The Holocaust is also a key facet of WWII, and I find it somewhat strange that they would leave it out for fear of offending Muslim's in part because of the fact that if you accept that the Middle East is really the heart of their religion and that the Middle East was impacted severely by WWI & WWII, as was the world in general obviously. It seems ridiculous to cut out such an integral part of our modern history which really brings us to where the world is today.

[Melena]

Fact: History is written by the winners, hence why the winners always look like the "good guys" and their enemies are made look like the "zomg evil people" that tried wiping them from existence.

makes me wonder what a french history class is like then

[Tricen]

Wtf is this school you speak of?

[Exoduso]

I was actually referring to that other post about the north/south, rather than Hitler.

My grandfather survived the holocaust, I know lol.

[Devek]

Pics or it didn't happen!

[Exoduso]

Time machine prease?

[Elmer the Pointy]

On topic, this is just stupid, while High school, and imo most of the education system in the US, is a joke, they shouldn't be completely fucking it up like this.

I agree our education system needs some vast improvements, but this particular article takes place in the UK.

[arlania]

Why the shit is religion being mixed up in classrooms again? You arnt allowed to teach creationism to students even though that is some of the students religion, but it's fine and dandy to not upset the muslims? This country is fail.

[edgarfigaro]

Why the shit is religion being mixed up in classrooms again? You arnt allowed to teach creationism to students even though that is some of the students religion, but it's fine and dandy to not upset the muslims? This country is fail.

Just to reiterate, this article is referring to the UK, where they'd rather skip over the holocaust to avoid muslim riots. It's stupid, and the fucking hardcore muslims need to get over their fucking selves, but there is some logic behind it (witness France, though France brought it upon themselves). Thankfully, the US doesn't have this problem, because our poor immigrants are catholic, not muslim.

Also, any person that's had a college level course in History does get the ugly side of American history. The AP exam spent more time on the slavery and civil rights issues than all the wars America has fought in combined.

[Eaglestrike]

On topic, this is just stupid, while High school, and imo most of the education system in the US, is a joke, they shouldn't be completely fucking it up like this.

I agree our education system needs some vast improvements, but this particular article takes place in the UK.

That's a relief. I had skimmed the article and didn't see where it was happening (it's probably like the first line of the article lol but I was looking for a state abbreviation). But now I can amend my comment to say "And other countries say the US's education system sucks."

[Kenai]

This is one of those situations were people are just going to have to get over "being offended". It is actual, factual history, and "offending" ignorance should hardly be a concern. They have the right to disagree with that all they want, but they do not have the right to remove it from the educational system.

That being said, there has been a hella lot of strides in more in-depth and less biased history (read books such as King Leopold's Ghost, or Of Water and Spirit). Even old-school books like Burmese Days are getting even more recognition in their less-biased and more accurate accounts of historical going-ons, but you usually don't see that type of material in class until college.

[Xiona]

you would think someone who went to school to become an educator would be more intelligent than this haha, OHH THE IRONY

[Yensho]

I'm in high school in the south, and we do go over slavery, but mainly the big issues, and specific cases. My teacher didn't drive into us how horrible slavery was with graphic descriptions, but also didn't just completely ignore it.

Also, the North is seen as the victor, no doubt about it, but they've never been put into our heads as heroes. Especially when you look at the fact that the war didn't start because of slavery, but because of economic issues, and also, near the end of the war, Sherman's march ripped up tons of land, and burned and killed livestock, and stealing food from farmhouses.

[BRP]

Armenian Holocaust

I find it a little funny how this was barely a footnote when I was learning World History.

[Scythiroth]

Armenian Holocaust

I find it a little funny how this was barely a footnote when I was learning World History.

I honestly don't even think I learned about that in high school, or it wasn't talked about much and I forgot about it.

[Eaglestrike]

I'm in high school in the south, and we do go over slavery, but mainly the big issues, and specific cases. My teacher didn't drive into us how horrible slavery was with graphic descriptions, but also didn't just completely ignore it.

Also, the North is seen as the victor, no doubt about it, but they've never been put into our heads as heroes. Especially when you look at the fact that the war didn't start because of slavery, but because of economic issues, and also, near the end of the war, Sherman's march ripped up tons of land, and burned and killed livestock, and stealing food from farmhouses.

The end of slavery would have destroyed the southern economy...

[Kenai]

It would have. It didn't make it right that their economy had got to the point where they NEEDED slaves to tend their vast cotton/whatever plantations because they couldn't afford to actually pay someone, but I'm sure you won't argue with that. Who knows how long it would have been before they "felt like" giving up slavery, or if they ever would have...

[Tyr]

What?

Muslims who believe in "Holocaust-denial?"

I'm a Muslim, and I've never, ever heard of "Holocaust-denial" as a part of doctrine in any way, shape, or form. Why the hell would Muslims be offended by it?

I don't care if you think the Holocaust didn't happen -- that just shows that you're an idiot, but don't make all the children grow up retarded(ly). Is this an April Fool's Joke?


EDIT: Something that pisses me off is the generalization of "Muslims denying the holocaust" or whatever, as termed in the article. Perhaps one obscure, far reaching, hard-line group of pseudo-Muslims holds that certain historically-inaccurate falsity as a tenant of their beliefs, and I even find that hard to believe (that they would put that as a necessary belief, not that some idiots would hold that opinion).

[GraveRobberX]

I'm a muslim, and I do believe there was a Holocaust.

The reason the UK (the school) are being a little cukoo for coco puffs, is there is a shit ton of fundamentalist muslims dwelling the streets of Europe. (most known countries)

I watch 60 minutes, (even tho it's a show for old people, it is still the best investigative/real journalism) recently, (like 2 weeks ago) they did a story on fundamentalist muslim called The Network.

Heres the link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/ ... 2308.shtml

Watch the whole thing. (if you can)

This is what all of Europe has to deal with.

I remember 1 sig that read you can't spell manslaughter without laughter, you can not spell fundamentalist with out "mental".

Muslims/Islamists are just like any core of any religion. There are always going to be extremeists.

1 saying goes, "Light can not exist without Darkness, Darkness can not exist without Light"

[Bartylby]

iirc some muslims (those in iran/iraq) believe that the holocaust is just another ploy by the jews to gather sympathy for their race/country to turn a blind eye to the"attrocities" jewish people (israel) commit(ed) against iran and iraq and any other country where these types live in.

haters gonna hate >.>