Personal beliefs and Laws.

[Saga]

I stopped reading after you tried to base an argument on the simple miscommunication of "the day you eat this you shall die." Can you not see the possibility of poor translation? Something so minute shouldn't be taken to such a level of absolutism. It's obvious die meant something like, you shall inherit death or something to that effect...I think that's pretty obvious.

Also isn't one of the main argument against the Bible that it has been translated so many times that some things get lost in translation? How then do you choose to base such a large argument on such a small word... that could just as easily be translated as "inheriting death."

Inheriting death? "If you eat this fruit you'll eventually die?" That's a pretty useless statement considering everyone is going to die anyway, regardless if they eat the fruit or not. Your correction doesn't quite work.

[Vixy]

As for where the water came from, when God created the earth he created it with a water canopy. In other words, picture the globe of the earth, then picture a "shield" for lack of better term, of water surrounding the earth. This was to maintain the paradise on the earth. At the time, the difference in temperature between the poles and the equator was only ~10 degrees.

aha...ahahaha.......AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Melchiah]

As for where the water came from, when God created the earth he created it with a water canopy. In other words, picture the globe of the earth, then picture a "shield" for lack of better term, of water surrounding the earth. This was to maintain the paradise on the earth. At the time, the difference in temperature between the poles and the equator was only ~10 degrees.

aha...ahahaha.......AHAHAHAHAHAHA

I KNEW NASA was full of shit!

[Bartylby]

cue the people who argue only to argue.

[Melchiah]

Healthy debate stimulates the mind. I don't plan on ending up like the citizens under President Not Sure's leadership.

[Maguspk]

I stopped reading after you tried to base an argument on the simple miscommunication of "the day you eat this you shall die." Can you not see the possibility of poor translation? Something so minute shouldn't be taken to such a level of absolutism. It's obvious die meant something like, you shall inherit death or something to that effect...I think that's pretty obvious.

Also isn't one of the main argument against the Bible that it has been translated so many times that some things get lost in translation? How then do you choose to base such a large argument on such a small word... that could just as easily be translated as "inheriting death."

Inheriting death? "If you eat this fruit you'll eventually die?" That's a pretty useless statement considering everyone is going to die anyway, regardless if they eat the fruit or not. Your correction doesn't quite work.

are you fucking kidding me?

Get out of this thread, that just ... wow.

[Swampthing]

Yeah, I know how Melchiah works, and I just won't waste my time being drawn into what is nothing more than a fruitless debate. I know full well Melchiah that you don't give a rats ass about anything but what your mind is already so dead set on.

The only thing that I will do for you in this thread is impart one single truth to you. They did die in the day of their eating it, because guess what? Mankind is STILL in that day. A day to Jehovah is thousands of years on our human calendar. God said they would die in the very day of their eating it, and they did die during Jehovah's seventh day.

The whole universe is still in Jehovah's seventh day.

Sigh, I'm not even going to acknowledge any more of your posts Melchiah. You are here for nothing but getting a rise out of people.

[Tricen]

Waking Life was a good movie, it stimulates the mind.

[Kuya]

This is what i got from this thread:

ur ugly w

no ur ugly w

NO UR UGLY WW

NO UR UGLIER WWW

and that was more productive to

[Tricen]

I got more of a "No you are wrong" "No you are" "Nope you are the misinformed one" "WHAT THE FUCKA+ WBJSFLBDFB"

[Saga]

I stopped reading after you tried to base an argument on the simple miscommunication of "the day you eat this you shall die." Can you not see the possibility of poor translation? Something so minute shouldn't be taken to such a level of absolutism. It's obvious die meant something like, you shall inherit death or something to that effect...I think that's pretty obvious.

Also isn't one of the main argument against the Bible that it has been translated so many times that some things get lost in translation? How then do you choose to base such a large argument on such a small word... that could just as easily be translated as "inheriting death."

Inheriting death? "If you eat this fruit you'll eventually die?" That's a pretty useless statement considering everyone is going to die anyway, regardless if they eat the fruit or not. Your correction doesn't quite work.

are you fucking kidding me?

Get out of this thread, that just ... wow.

Um, fuck you, it's a valid point? If we're all arguing semantics, I don't see a problem with what I just said. I was pointing out the fact that if, let's say, God DID say, "If you eat this fruit, you will inhereit death," then that's a fucking useless statement - even if they didn't eat the fruit, they're bound to die at some point, it's how death works. They'll "inhereit death" regardless.

Unless of course, The Garden of Eden grants immortality to Adam and Eve, provided they don't eat the fruit, then my point becomes null and void, and if that's the case then I apologize. I haven't been to Hebrew school in ten years, and even then I thought it was worthless and I couldn't stand it. But magus, maybe work on not being such a rude little cunt? I've debated this in the spam forum with Swampthing a couple months ago, at great length, and with substantiated arguments and valid points. So if my intelligence is in question here, I beg you to reconsider. I'm just not in the mood to go into this whole thing at length again - I simply found your quote for me to nitpick on.

Just pull that tree trunk out of your ass before you make your next post - you come across as an arrogant douche bag when there's no reason for you to be.

[Bartylby]

god took away their immortality when eve picked, ate and shared the fruit with adam

his reply, albeit harsh is totally understandable lol

[Tricen]

god took away their immortality when eve picked, ate and shared the fruit with adam

his reply, albeit harsh is totally understandable lol

Anyone else think God was a tard for doing it all in the first place?

[Saga]

god took away their immortality when eve picked, ate and shared the fruit with adam

his reply, albeit harsh is totally understandable lol

Fair enough, then I admit I was incorrect, but to jump on my nuts like a goddamn squirrel was just uncalled for.

[Maguspk]

god took away their immortality when eve picked, ate and shared the fruit with adam

his reply, albeit harsh is totally understandable lol

Fair enough, then I admit I was incorrect, but to jump on my nuts like a goddamn squirrel was just uncalled for.

Your post was directly trying to disprove mine so of course I'm going to call you out on it. You shouldn't be arguing if you don't know what you're arguing about. Like saying:

"Little Red Riding Hood didn't eat any porridge you dumbass, Magus."
Uhm, yes she did you're an idiot
"Omg, don't jump on my nuts, I didn't know!"

See the problem?

[Gregorio]

God taught them(edit: Adam and Eve) everything personally, and they had a conscience that was trained by God.

Prove this.

You have got to get your story straight man.

Hmm... If I am not mistaken, God created an eden for Adam, and later Eve. He deliberately put a "bad" thing in this eden

You are mistaken. God put no "bad" thing in the garden. God gave them the opportunity to show Him that they loved Him. The tree, in and of itself, was not a bad thing, at all.

This is bullshit. According to Genesis 2:15-17: 15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This was an outright lie, also not told by Satan, but by Jehovah himself. Adam and Eve did NOT perish the day they consumed that fruit. So God provides the initial temptation so that mankind may exercise his free will, but withholds vital information regarding the consequences of either action? Do as I say because I say and remain in ignorance? Furthermore: Genesis 3:1-5:

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The serpent told them the truth. Their eyes were opened, they did come to possess knowledge of good and evil, and they did NOT perish. So who bullshitted whom?

I believe you're misunderstanding the quote. God doesn't say "If you eat the fruit you will die immeditally!" He says that you will surely die, which is the truth because they would lose paradise. Even though it says "for in the day", it's still true because that is the day that they would be able to die. So they lose their immortality that day in the garden, and would eventually die.

The serpent is still the bullshitter.

EDIT: Someone got to it before me, ah well.

[Jimmayus]

No, that is also incorrect Gregorio. The apple was not a direct cause of death; it was God imposing the concept of death upon mankind. Depending on what you choose to believe, the serpent didn't actually lie, because he was correct in saying the apple would not cause their deaths.

However, you would probably counter that he knew God would strip away their immortality, which is debatable and maybe or maybe not true. It depends on if Satan can see the future as well, and if he can see the future, then of course we go back to the part where the choice to eat the apple was not really a choice.

[Gregorio]

No, that is also incorrect Gregorio. The apple was not a direct cause of death; it was God imposing the concept of death upon mankind. Depending on what you choose to believe, the serpent didn't actually lie, because he was correct in saying the apple would not cause their deaths.

God didn't say the apple itself would kill them, he said that they would die. Being able to read the words after the story was told, we are able to see that he implied that they would lose paradise. And even through causation, the apple would technically be the "direct cause of death", because eating the apple lead Gods punishment.

[Inverse]

look, it's been said before. the bible can be interpreted however you want to, that's why it's so puopular because people can justify and support what wickedness they committed with biblical passages so they can sleep better at night.

you also can't argue with people who believe in a 2000-year old book written by a bunch of men who thought that the 6000 year old earth was the center of the universe, and that cheating women, gays, etc should be tortured and killed.

[Inverse]

No, that is also incorrect Gregorio. The apple was not a direct cause of death; it was God imposing the concept of death upon mankind. Depending on what you choose to believe, the serpent didn't actually lie, because he was correct in saying the apple would not cause their deaths.

God didn't say the apple itself would kill them, he said that they would die. Being able to read the words after the story was told, we are able to see that he implied that they would lose paradise. And even through causation, the apple would technically be the "direct cause of death", because eating the apple lead Gods punishment.

no, the apple is not the direct cause of death. the act of eating the apple is. it represents the act of defiance and rebellion, against god's authority.