Personal beliefs and Laws.

[Melchiah]

Cue my avatar.

Fuck you. I <3 my FSM. He promises me beer volcanos and stripper factories when I die.

[Lauzian]

Haha, I posted that article in another thread but I don't feel like finding it. Just google "I fucked Ann Coulter in the ass"

Truly a great article.

[Meat]

This brings up a question i've posed before...

Would you fuck Anne Coulter?

I think i might...

in a fucking heartbeat, all that repression's gotta come out sometime

[Melchiah]

As for the argument against homosexual marriage, its goes far beyond the bible, they are various social and economic arguments to be had.

Only valid one I can think of against is that married couples enjoy certain benefits such as overlapping insurance, tax deductions and whatnot because they breed. Homosexuals do not contribute to the growing population. But then again, there are many married hetero couples who also do not breed, be it by choice or more often medical reasons, so it's not really an absolute. Personally, if gays want to get married, ok. I don't really care. I don't think they should be privy to benefits that are in place specifically for breeding couples, but household benefits like overlapping insurance or other things that one's spouse is entitled to that aren't related to breeding, sure why not. I mean they aren't going to get dependant deductions unless they adopt, so really it's a bunch of blown smoke about the perceived "sanctity" of marriage... meh, there is much more important shit to worry about...

like strategies for Rocl's mom... I tried to resist it Rocl, I really did!

[Tyche]

OH FUCKING HELL, IT'S A TRAP!

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...adamsapple.jpg

http://www.rawilson.com/images/coulter.jpg

[Koyangi]

So great, you pick 2 peices of legislation out of thousands to prove your point. Like i said, quite narrow-minded. Not only 2 peices of legislation, but the two most controversial peices. You have theis naive thought that it's all about the politics. No, it's about the voters. Republicans cannot simply go against the popular belief of their voters, even if they believe otherwise. If they did, they'd be unemployed. So your anger is misdirected. You should simply be saying "You stupid conservatives voters blah blah blah", which then escalates into a "my belief is better than yours" argument.

Tell me how a state banning gay marriage isnt forcing their belief onto all who live there. Debates engage on many issues, but you know I couldn't possibly go into every single issue seperating the lefts from the right. So yes I picked the 2 top topics, it doesnt mean I dont know about others.

[Kiro]

Even if it's a trap, I wouldn't be lookin' at 'her' neck. :>

[Melchiah]

The state banning gay marriage isn't forcing any belief on anyone. As stated before, this is impossible. You cannot affect another person's beliefs short of brainwashing them, and even then it's artificial. The state isn't forcing gays to believe gay marriage is wrong, the state simply makes it not a legal and binding institution.

[Tyche]

So great, you pick 2 peices of legislation out of thousands to prove your point. Like i said, quite narrow-minded. Not only 2 peices of legislation, but the two most controversial peices. You have theis naive thought that it's all about the politics. No, it's about the voters. Republicans cannot simply go against the popular belief of their voters, even if they believe otherwise. If they did, they'd be unemployed. So your anger is misdirected. You should simply be saying "You stupid conservatives voters blah blah blah", which then escalates into a "my belief is better than yours" argument.

Tell me how a state banning gay marriage isnt forcing their belief onto all who live there. Debates engage on many issues, but you know I couldn't possibly go into every single issue seperating the lefts from the right. So yes I picked the 2 top topics, it doesnt mean I dont know about others.

No, you implied that every conservative legislation was bible thumping legislation. As to why state's are banning gay marriage, the answer is simple...the democrats can't poll enough votes from the general population to control majority...Again, your anger is misdirected. Blame the democrats for not polling enough votes or blame apparent majority of conservative voters who obviously got who they wanted in office. If the "majority" of people in those states support gay marriage, then they'll have thier chance to put the appropriate people in office to get it passed...but until then, they will have to endure the legislation they get because they didn't show up to the booth during elections.

[Maguspk]

You all need to take a course on Law and Society. You all bitch so much without even knowing what you're bitching about. But you all love to jump on the overcrowded internet bandwagon of douchebagery out right insulting anyone/everyone who isn't a flaming liberal.
btw when I say all I basically just mean the assholes this applies to.

I hate threads like this.

Try reading some Durkheim or something and then realizing the world doesn't agree with you and you're not right just because you think you are.

[Koyangi]

The state banning gay marriage isn't forcing any belief on anyone. As stated before, this is impossible. You cannot affect another person's beliefs short of brainwashing them, and even then it's artificial. The state isn't forcing gays to believe gay marriage is wrong, the state simply makes it not a legal and binding institution.

Making something punishable by law has the same effect, even if its not changing their opinion. If it all of a sudden became legal to murder someone, you'd best believe you'd see it happen a lot more, knowing you could get in trouble for doing it makes it not happen as much, which makes someone else happy. All laws came from someone's idea which is an opinion.

[Tyche]

The state banning gay marriage isn't forcing any belief on anyone. As stated before, this is impossible. You cannot affect another person's beliefs short of brainwashing them, and even then it's artificial. The state isn't forcing gays to believe gay marriage is wrong, the state simply makes it not a legal and binding institution.

Making something punishable by law has the same effect, even if its not changing their opinion. If it all of a sudden became legal to murder someone, you'd best believe you'd see it happen a lot more, knowing you could get in trouble for doing it makes it not happen as much, which makes someone else happy. All laws came from someone's idea which is an opinion.

Look dude, anyone over the age of 18 can vote. That is the law. If over 50% (electoral college lol) feel the same way you feel, then you get your way, assuming there is a 100% voter turnout. Of course, that never happens, so stop blaming politics and blame the majority of voters who disagree with the way you feel. Laws get passes because the people who have the same beliefs as you aren't getting to the voting booth.

And god, don't try and draw such rediculous parallels.

[Maguspk]

The state banning gay marriage isn't forcing any belief on anyone. As stated before, this is impossible. You cannot affect another person's beliefs short of brainwashing them, and even then it's artificial. The state isn't forcing gays to believe gay marriage is wrong, the state simply makes it not a legal and binding institution.

Making something punishable by law has the same effect, even if its not changing their opinion. If it all of a sudden became legal to murder someone, you'd best believe you'd see it happen a lot more, knowing you could get in trouble for doing it makes it not happen as much, which makes someone else happy. All laws came from someone's idea which is an opinion.

Punishment isn't just meant as a deterant from crime.

It's a source of retribution, rehabilitation and/or Incapacitation.

You aren't arguing anymore you're just spitting out half-truths. I think you're failing to uphold the liberal legacy that you so readily cling to.

[Melchiah]

The state banning gay marriage isn't forcing any belief on anyone. As stated before, this is impossible. You cannot affect another person's beliefs short of brainwashing them, and even then it's artificial. The state isn't forcing gays to believe gay marriage is wrong, the state simply makes it not a legal and binding institution.

Making something punishable by law has the same effect, even if its not changing their opinion. If it all of a sudden became legal to murder someone, you'd best believe you'd see it happen a lot more, knowing you could get in trouble for doing it makes it not happen as much, which makes someone else happy. All laws came from someone's idea which is an opinion.

Only a psychopath doesn't realize that taking the life of another person frivolously is wrong. Gay Marriage is NOT punishable by law. The law in those states simply makes no provision for marriage between same gender couples. If you think gay marriage is right, you will think the the law is wrong. If you think gay marriage is wrong you will think the law is right. The law is not the conditional here, the law is the outcome. Beliefs will affect the implementation of laws, but the implementation of laws will not affect people's beliefs. For instance: I know it is wrong to sell a mortgage out from under a homeowner who is one month behind on his note, even though the law allows for it to happen. Legality =/= right.

[Devek]

And evil prevails when good men do nothing or some shit.

Any successful government will make a easy life for its people.

People with an evil life become lazy.

Lazy people allow corrupt government to take over.

Corrupt government creates oppression...

[Maguspk]

All government creates oppression...

fixed.

[Tyche]

**Requesting an educated liberal in here to inform the OP how ludacrous his thought process is***

until then sleep for me.

[Devek]

Don't feel bad Tyche.

Thinking is really hard work.. and most people naturally assume they can do it without ever being taught critical thinking skills, proper logic, and learning their own biases and distortions.

It is like someone who thinks they are some natural born singer standing up to do karaoke at the bar..

[Kiro]

It is like someone who thinks they are some natural born singer standing up to do karaoke at the bar..

American Idol, meet Devek. Devek, meet crappy television.

[Gregorio]

**Requesting an educated liberal in here to inform the OP how ludacrous his thought process is***

until then sleep for me.

For cerial. This guy is giving libs a bad name.

Especially lol at "The left side minds their own business, why cant the right do the same?" Yeah, the left minds their own business as long as their business includes other peoples money. [Although Bush is more liberal with his warspending than most liberals are with social programs]

And extra-lol at "I say this mainly because the left side isnt FORCING laws/bills into congress or supreme court so that everyone must follow it." ...so the democrats/liberals have never made a law, or if they did it was a completely optional law, nobody needs to follow it.