Ranged Attack vs. Magic Attack

[Halcyon]

Which has the greater range?

I had always assumed the radius was equal but someone in my Social LS (a 75 rng) has purported that Ranged Attack has a greater radius than a Magical Attack.
His theory was based on magic spells not going off if you run out of range -_-

Which.... isn't very logical but since he IS a 75 rng I'm assuming he would know much more about ranged attacks than myself (75war/75smn).

I just want to know is the radius for ranged attacks/magic attacks equal or is one greater than the other.

CONSTRUCTIVE REPLIES ARE HELPFUL
"OMG WTF U NOOB" replies are not. Considering this is the "Newbie Player Advice" forum.

[Senkhi]

Ranged attacks have a greater range (24'-25').
Magic attacks (traditional types, not necessarily BLU spells) tend to cap out around 21'-ish feet but in some areas you can go further, generally around 22'-23'.

You can pinpoint these ranges with very good accuracy using the Distance plugin for Windower if you play on the PC.

The wiki page also has some interesting tidbits on distance.

[pingpong]

ranged attack > magical attack

[Lordwafik]

As a Tathlum throwing BLM, I can tell you ranged attacks have a much further distance than magical attacks.

[Matricide]

i think 24.9 for ranged, and like 21? for spells i dont remember. 30 is lose sight of mob.

[Halcyon]

Unfortunately, I play on PS2 (HUGE, HUGE mistake I made years ago) so I'm unable to do all the really neat stuff like Parse, use Fraps, etc. =(

Thank you both for your replies. They were extremely helpful.

[Lordwafik]

i think 24.9 for ranged, and like 21? for spells i dont remember. 30 is lose sight of mob.

Magic is 20.9, unless it's a big monster, then it goes to like 21-24 (I'm sure JoL is a 25'er)

[ninjafox]

sucky thing is that you can't outrun ranged attacks from mobs like you can with spells

[Lylie]

Ranged attacks have a greater range (24'-25').
Magic attacks (traditional types, not necessarily BLU spells) tend to cap out around 21'-ish feet but in some areas you can go further, generally around 22'-23'.

You can pinpoint these ranges with very good accuracy using the Distance plugin for Windower if you play on the PC.

The wiki page also has some interesting tidbits on distance.

This is actually wrong. Magic range caps at 20. Although you can cast up to 21, 21.9 or more on some mobs, it's only because the game takes in count the size of the mob. While Distance plugins from Windower will calculate the range from the center of the mob, the game will calculate from the "side" of the mob. You can try to cast anything on a player, you won't cast anything past 20.1, but if you try on big mobs, your range will be much wider.

[Suiram]

The wiki page is pretty cool, and it reminded me of something I've wondered from time to time. Regarding the 30' distance it says,

the furthest that a mob will notice your actions (and generate hate)

I've noticed there's a distance for which is true as well (never knew exactly what it was, though), and I've been meaning to test something, but posting here since it's already brought up in the hopes that maybe someone else already has and can save me the trouble. If I cast cure on someone when I am further from the enemy than 30' (assuming this is the correct distance not to generate hate), but the target of my cure is less than 30' away from the enemy, will it generate hate?

[Senkhi]

This is actually wrong. Magic range caps at 20. Although you can cast up to 21, 21.9 or more on some mobs, it's only because the game takes in count the size of the mob. While Distance plugins from Windower will calculate the range from the center of the mob, the game will calculate from the "side" of the mob. You can try to cast anything on a player, you won't cast anything past 20.1, but if you try on big mobs, your range will be much wider.

20' range exactly doesn't matter as much if you can't define the precise outer edge of your target. 21' is what I can cast from at minimum 95% of the time, though as I mentioned it can go higher. "Around 21'" is meant to indicate that you have some flexible space in which you can try out some apparent ranges, though yes, technically the game is calculating it differently than the Distance plugin does.

In practice it doesn't make any difference except to know that some mobs are going to give you a greater caster-to-target range (and you should make good use of it ).

[Pergo]

sucky thing is that you can't outrun ranged attacks from mobs like you can with spells

what? yes you can. its actually really easy to do, too.

[Sidanoir]

sucky thing is that you can't outrun ranged attacks from mobs like you can with spells

what? yes you can. its actually really easy to do, too.

Uh?....

If the animation starts you can't run out of range........

But you can stop an attempt by getting out of range...if that makes sense

If a spell starts on you you can still run of range, whereas if a ranged attack starts on you you are going to get hit......

[Silmarwen]

As a Tathlum throwing BLM, I can tell you ranged attacks have a much further distance than magical attacks.

Sorry, I lol'd ; ;

[safer]

sucky thing is that you can't outrun ranged attacks from mobs like you can with spells

what? yes you can. its actually really easy to do, too.

Uh?....

If the animation starts you can't run out of range........

But you can stop an attempt by getting out of range...if that makes sense

If a spell starts on you you can still run of range, whereas if a ranged attack starts on you you are going to get hit......

didnt they patch it so that once you run out of range of a ranged attack, its an automatic miss anyways?

a mob will still turn red if you claim it like this, just that you'll never land the shot

not sure if thats true for mobs shooting you though

[Pergo]

i'm pretty sure its even if they start the animation... its like a ws, you'll see

"Pergo is too far away"

i was just killing some goblin lengthmen in newton moval on blm the other day it worked then... its great too because then they have that moment of cluelessness afterwards

[Sidanoir]

i'm pretty sure its even if they start the animation... its like a ws, you'll see

"Pergo is too far away"

i was just killing some goblin lengthmen in newton moval on blm the other day it worked then... its great too because then they have that moment of cluelessness afterwards

I know for ranged attack with readying delay this is the case for instance can easily kite xarc NMs like Gamgyn cause Hecatomb Wave is his ranged attack and it has a delay to ready...

Drawing a blank here but i think if the animation starts and you run out of range it still hits you...

[Khamsin]

Don't forget mob ranged attacks and PC ranged attacks are different.

Mob ranged attacks happen the moment they begin to pull back their bow.

PC ranged attacks happen after the delay of your animation.

That's why you can't outrun mob ranged attacks that have already begun, and why mobs can outrun you. It's also why you can't stun Qufim boss's ranged attacks, since the moment he begins picking the rock out of the ground, he's already done.

[Sidanoir]

Don't forget mob ranged attacks and PC ranged attacks are different.

Mob ranged attacks happen the moment they begin to pull back their bow.

PC ranged attacks happen after the delay of your animation.

That's why you can't outrun mob ranged attacks that have already begun, and why mobs can outrun you. It's also why you can't stun Qufim boss's ranged attacks, since the moment he begins picking the rock out of the ground, he's already done.

That explains what I was trying to say a lot better.

[VZX]

30 is lose sight of mob.

I think 49.9 is the maximum distance you can see objects