Premier Site Summit Wrap-Up (04/04/2007)

[Beckwin]

The BG newbie forum is really interesting most of the time, especially when the advanced forum activity is confined to some long-standing threads that you aren't all that interested in atm. I don't mean that as an advanced forum bash either, just saying.

[LD]

I wonder what job SE is gunna tweak next..
They've been doing that every month since like October (July, if you count the magic dealie and the G2 merits.).

Bets?


Author's note: I wasn't sure if I should put this here or "Strike #3 for May", but then I realized they're practically the same topic, so I'm just gunna leave it here.

[Lordwafik]

P.S. If you still have a problem with us after Sonomaa went to great lengths to try to smooth things over, you don't have to read this site. And take all of the information that we have helped to gather off of the Wiki.

I can just imagine the salvage page if that happened. Let's see where KI is up to... oh they're still fighting LBC and wiping. So Wiki will only have "LBC is hard and laughs at you" ?

[Sonomaa]

BG will never be a premier site because it will require too much censorship of things we do, were a bahamut linkshell that has end game forums, we assist in the community as much as we can but a significant portion of our content is taken or outright stolen by other content sites. We have provided a significant amount of information for the wiki and will continue to do so unless we are told to stop, then we can remove it and go on with our lives.

Regardless, dont let this thread get derailed too much further, I would rather not have a flame war between two places a lot of people love to go, a wiki in general is never going to be perfect but thats the way its setup to be.

[Maruichi]

this site is not an informative site which is why its not a premier candidate.
Are there categorized links for every intangible aspect of what FFXI is ? No there is no attempt. All BG is what was just previously stated. BG is a forum for a Bahamut Linkshell. Social Forums for Linkshells will never become premier sites. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

edit: now understand thats not saying you can not receive quality information in a thread on BG. But this site like KI has many a derailed thread.

[BRP]

If we can get monthly interviews, then screw being a premier site.

[Sylvrdragon]

I wonder what job SE is gunna tweak next..
They've been doing that every month since like October (July, if you count the magic dealie and the G2 merits.).

Bets?


Author's note: I wasn't sure if I should put this here or "Strike #3 for May", but then I realized they're practically the same topic, so I'm just gunna leave it here.

I'm hoping they do something with BLUs useless ass 2hr... I mean c'mon. It does nothing!

[Lordwafik]

I wonder what job SE is gunna tweak next..
They've been doing that every month since like October (July, if you count the magic dealie and the G2 merits.).

Bets?


Author's note: I wasn't sure if I should put this here or "Strike #3 for May", but then I realized they're practically the same topic, so I'm just gunna leave it here.

I'm hoping they do something with BLUs useless ass 2hr... I mean c'mon. It does nothing!

Same as BST, but bst as a whole does nothing. So that needs a fix!

[Lordender]

I'm hoping they do something with BLUs useless ass 2hr... I mean c'mon. It does nothing!

blu 2hr is very potent especially /thf and cannonballing it adds atleast 300-400dmg on khimiara. Azure Lore greatly enhances blu spells so to speak.

[Siatdiat]

All im willing to bet is it wont be beastmaster

[Pergo]

whm, rdm, and something else

[StaplerGuy]

blm seems overdue for a completely undeserved buff which they will then counter with a greatly overstated nerf.

Been a while since we've had those, I miss 'em.

[LD]

Azure Lore is potent in the respect that it greatly enhances BLU magic power/accuracy.
It is comparitively weak, however, in it's ability to save your PT from destruction and/or cause large amounts of damage.


I'm hoping they do something with MNK, but the next fix is probably gunna be for BST.
I'm also betting they'll add the AFv2 and Group2s for the TOA jobs next update, enough time as passed they they should have an idea of how people play it and what they would want.

[Ryko]

Azure Lore is potent in the respect that it greatly enhances BLU magic power/accuracy.
It is comparitively weak, however, in it's ability to save your PT from destruction and/or cause large amounts of damage.


I'm hoping they do something with MNK, but the next fix is probably gunna be for BST.
I'm also betting they'll add the AFv2 and Group2s for the TOA jobs next update, enough time as passed they they should have an idea of how people play it and what they would want.

What's your definition of large amounts of damage? DRK without a kraken? Eagle eye shot? Or a step higher, meikyo, mighty strikes, and manafont? Or even higher, Hundred Fists and Blood weapon with a kraken? Not all the 2 hours really do that much when you think about it.

[LD]

....um...ok, I'll go with this.

Azure Lore lasts 30 seconds.
It increases Spell power and accuracy, but exactly how much extra damage do you get out of it for the 30 seconds it lasts?
Admittedly, it's potency doesn't lie purely in damage, and honestly, that wasn't the main point of my post, but it's a lot like Chainspell in that it's limited by recast, level, and MP.
What you can do with AL is limited by your current function, so when you are using it, you aren't doing anything that much different than what you were before.
That brings us to the DD aspect.
If you use AL, you're planning on spamming moves for the entire duration.
You can't use your best spells in quick succession, so you fit in lesser spells with varying power and effects.
Your lesser spells have a cap in effectiveness, even with the AL mod, they can only do so much more.
So how much are you really adding to your group in those 30 seconds?

It would be great if Azure Lore had its current effects and unlocked all of your spells for the length of the effect.
That way you could have a bit more flexibility and it would also fit into the name of the ability, using the full collection of your acquired Blue Mage knowledge.

Mighty Strikes is more or less a hate tool or a Rampage booster, but depending on the player, it can do impressive things.
EES may not be big on power (probably a balance for Barrage), but it’s instant damage.
There's not a lot that can match the power of 100 Fists or Blood/Eater, with or without kraken (...charitable? maybe, but wtf/e.)
I'm not saying all 2Hrs are game breakers, but the vast majority can make a difference when used correctly.
Azure Lore will not, no matter how you use it.

[Taj]

Cliffnotes: Hundred Fists & Co. are difference makers, Azure Lore is just there.

Edit: It was a Fairy/Chiz joke, not pc+1

[fantasticdan]

AL doesn't increase physical spell acc, unless said spell had an "accuracy varies with TP" mod. It's possible to get good damage out of AL, if you set alot of physical spells you wouldn't ordinarily set, and zerg with them, but it's really not very impressive outside of that. On merit mobs, AL adds about 150-200 dmg to disseverment, 250ish dmg to frenetic rip.

It would be nice if you could cast any spell you have learned (not just those that are set), for the duration of AL, like the guy above says.

[Popsiclestick]

AL doesn't increase physical spell acc, unless said spell had an "accuracy varies with TP" mod. It's possible to get good damage out of AL, if you set alot of physical spells you wouldn't ordinarily set, and zerg with them, but it's really not very impressive outside of that. On merit mobs, AL adds about 150-200 dmg to disseverment, 250ish dmg to frenetic rip.

It would be nice if you could cast any spell you have learned (not just those that are set), for the duration of AL, like the guy above says.

If AL opened up all spells with full potency unlocked, it would be extremely useful.

AL is not a gamebreaker like others have mentioned. You have to prep for the spell prior to using it, and even so, it still is limited in use :/

Another useful way in fixing it, if it gave Chain Affinity and Burst Affinity while you use it

[LD]

I don't think CA & BA effects should be added to AL.
Spamming those moves may interrupt other SCs, and being able to spam SCs more than a SAM while MBing on them could be a mite broken.

Unlocking all spells and extending the duration to a full minute would be enough to get your money's worth.



.....maybe an MP cut(50-75%?), but I'm probably crossing the line here.

[Not Kuno]

Azure Lore is definatly one of the worst 2hrs in the game. It doesn't even seem to last 30 seconds and I don't notice any huge dmg increase.