whose side are you on?

[Ryko]

It's so ironic that you claim scare tactics when you throw around words like racism and xenophobia like nobody's business. Those are the worst arguments for this shit I've ever seen, especially since I am a first generation american, and I believe O'Reilly is as well

Yeah except for the part where he's trying to mask the issue by rasing an irrelevant counterpoint that people are more willing to listen to because it freaks them out. If you ignore that then I guess it would seem ironic.

[Evelyn]

to be honest, both are retarded.

O'Reilley is a blatant hypocrite, and doesn't seem to care about anything beyond his bottom line and the people who help it.

Geraldo tried to fake being in the line of fire during a war to help his news career.

[Beckwin]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

It doesn't fucking matter that the guy was an illegal with a record; this person could've been killed that same night by another driver if the illegal in question had been deported. But because this drunk driver who killed someone happened to be an illegal alien as well, its being turned into an immigration issue instead of a drunk driving issue and its making national news.

O'Reilly is a douche. And sorry, describing illegal immigrants as the greatest threat to this country makes you sound extremely xenophobic.

[Fyrie]

Stricter enforcement and stronger penalties for employers is the way to go. When it no longer is profitable to run the risk of hiring cheap, illegal labor, employers will seek legal employees they have to pay legal wages and in turn, the employees will be paying taxes.

You can't just do that because the employers would just outsource.

[finale23]

Stricter enforcement and stronger penalties for employers is the way to go. When it no longer is profitable to run the risk of hiring cheap, illegal labor, employers will seek legal employees they have to pay legal wages and in turn, the employees will be paying taxes.

You can't just do that because the employers would just outsource.

how do you outsource something like dish washing, or lawn mowing, or any of the blue collar type jobs?

[Kuya]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

It doesn't fucking matter that the guy was an illegal with a record; this person could've been killed that same night by another driver if the illegal in question had been deported. But because this drunk driver who killed someone happened to be an illegal alien as well, its being turned into an immigration issue instead of a drunk driving issue and its making national news.

O'Reilly is a douche. And sorry, describing illegal immigrants as the greatest threat to this country makes you sound extremely xenophobic.

Ryko, halp me, im afraid of foreighners, even though im not afraid of foreigners and just think they are more dangerous than a war.

And don't think for a moment that because im comparing human beings in need to dangerous criminals, that im in any way trying to imply that im afraid of them, or trying to make others afraid of them.

n_n

[Fuuko]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

Both of which are irrelevant.

He was arrested several times before, and convicted. He is illegal. The Police knew he was illegal. He was not sent to INS and deported. Two people are dead because he was not deported. It's that simple.

You can make a case he should have been in prison, but thats it.

[finale23]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

Both of which are irrelevant.

He was arrested several times before, and convicted. He is illegal. The Police knew he was illegal. He was not sent to INS and deported. Two people are dead because he was not deported. It's that simple.

You can make a case he should have been in prison, but thats it.

his mom chose not to abort him when she was accidentally knocked up. does it make it an abortion issue now?! becasue you know, those girls wouldn't have died if he was aborted.

[Ryko]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

Both of which are irrelevant.

He was arrested several times before, and convicted. He is illegal. The Police knew he was illegal. He was not sent to INS and deported. Two people are dead because he was not deported. It's that simple.

You can make a case he should have been in prison, but thats it.

There are plenty of ways that specific situation could have been prevented. The people who are saying it's a, duh, drunk driving issue aren't denying that the guy was an illegal alien, they're saying it's fucking stupid to turn a drunk driving issue into an illegal immigration issue. Once the guy is deported people will still get hit by people driving under the influence.

[Devek]

But if HE isn't deported he will most likely keep drinking and kill someone else so it kind of is an illegal immigration issue because he needs to

[Fuuko]

There are plenty of ways that specific situation could have been prevented. The people who are saying it's a, duh, drunk driving issue aren't denying that the guy was an illegal alien, they're saying it's fucking stupid to turn a drunk driving issue into an illegal immigration issue. Once the guy is deported people will still get hit by people driving under the influence.

It is an illegal immigration issue because of the cities or its police dept. policy is to not inform the federal government about illegal immigrants. Had they reported him to INS and they deported him after the first conviction it would have been prevented. He should have been deported after his first arrest for being drunken in public, or identity theft, or drunken driving which ever came first.

It's not about the type of crime, its the fact that after having been arrested and convicted. He was allowed to remain in the country and commit more. If everything remains the same, except he killed the poor girls while robbing their house it would still be the same issue. It has nothing to do with drunken driving, its that he has been arrested several times and was allowed to remain in the country and commit more crimes.

[archibaldcrane]

I think the point here is:

If you're a poor mexican who comes illegally to america, works shit jobs for shit pay and stays out of trouble...many fewer people mind your presence.

There's SO MANY mexicans willing to come do the above, that I don't understand why we tolerate the (non-immigration related) law-breaking ones?

You want to stay lawlessly in my country, in relative (to your home) prosperity? Ok, fine, whatever. You break my (non-immigration related) laws, you get fucking deported (before or after your punishment, I don't care). You're fucking replaceable, I know where the Home Depot is.

There's no sense in saying "oh, let's waste our time/money/resources rehabilitating this criminal illegal immigrant" when he can be shipped back and save us the trouble.

[Beckwin]

I like American dumbasses better because they're American...








IN AMERICA.

[Alvinho]

If there was a law requiring employers to pay equal wages to everyone working for them, be them citizens, legal, or illegal aliens, there would be zero incentive to hire illegal workers. Some sort of hotline number could be easily setup for people to call in anonimously if they weren't being paid fairly according to said law. Dinsgruntled employees would find a way to make the call in case something wasn't right, and the employer would be in trouble. Said trouble would be avoided by hiring legal workers.

People often blame the illegal aliens for all the jobs that they're ‘‘taking’’, but fail to realize the employers are at fault as well, if not solely. It's two extra dollars an hour to leave their pocket, and they're not going to complain about it. They're also aware someone staying legally in the country would call BS on undervalued wages, leading into more trouble, so again, they avoid it by hiring people who just don't know any better, or simply don't care since they lack better options.

[Sigi]

Honestly, the US Immigration codes need to be reviewed and revamped. I remember my best friend having to pay $1500 for a physical, because the INS would only allow you to use a specific doctor... and the physical would have cost $140 tops at her general practitioner. There are gaping holes in the policies, and frankly are racist. For instance, a Cuban that crosses on a boat has instant residency if they land on shore, however a Haitian or Dominican is deported.

I feel that O'Reilly is only trying to drum up xenophobia, which in itself is VERY ironic considering his family were immigrants at one point. Geraldo is almost as bad, however his point is valid. The person that ran the girls over should have been either in the prison system or extradited to Mexico's jurisprudence.

It is also imperative that companies that hire illegal immigrants should be severely fined. If it is no longer advantageous to the bottom line, it will stop.

[Alvinho]

It's not ‘‘racist’’. Cubans are allowed to stay only if they set foot on land, since the US does not (usually) repatriate political refugees to communist countries (Immigration and Nationality Act), unless they do something really bad. The new revision of the law (Clinton Administration) does state that Cubans must set on foot on dry land to be allowed to stay here -and later pursue citizenship-, and will be either sent back, or sent elsewhere if caught at sea by the coast guard or whatever.

[Septimus]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

It doesn't fucking matter that the guy was an illegal with a record; this person could've been killed that same night by another driver if the illegal in question had been deported. But because this drunk driver who killed someone happened to be an illegal alien as well, its being turned into an immigration issue instead of a drunk driving issue and its making national news.

O'Reilly is a douche. And sorry, describing illegal immigrants as the greatest threat to this country makes you sound extremely xenophobic.

Illegal immigration my not be the biggest threat to this country, but the willingness of large corporations to give jobs to illegals that they can't outsource to other countries may very well be.

The gap between the richest and poorest Americans has grown the widest that it has been since 1928, right before the Great Depression. Americans are urged not to put two and two together.

[finale23]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

It doesn't fucking matter that the guy was an illegal with a record; this person could've been killed that same night by another driver if the illegal in question had been deported. But because this drunk driver who killed someone happened to be an illegal alien as well, its being turned into an immigration issue instead of a drunk driving issue and its making national news.

O'Reilly is a douche. And sorry, describing illegal immigrants as the greatest threat to this country makes you sound extremely xenophobic.

Illegal immigration my not be the biggest threat to this country, but the willingness of large corporations to give jobs to illegals that they can't outsource to other countries may very well be.

The gap between the richest and poorest Americans has grown the widest that it has been since 1928, right before the Great Depression. Americans are urged not to put two and two together.

nobody's ignoring the illegal immigration issue, and nobody's arguing for illegal immigrants.

what Beckwin is trying to get across is that in this particular instance, it is more about drunk drinking than anything else. manipulating an issue mainly about drunk driving into something about the illegal immigration to gain political capital, is a blatant act of douchbagery.

[Septimus]

Oh I don't really care for Geraldo either, but in this situation he was saying what I agreed with.

But here's the deal:
- people are killed frequently by drunk drivers
- drunk drivers with records have killed people before

It doesn't fucking matter that the guy was an illegal with a record; this person could've been killed that same night by another driver if the illegal in question had been deported. But because this drunk driver who killed someone happened to be an illegal alien as well, its being turned into an immigration issue instead of a drunk driving issue and its making national news.

O'Reilly is a douche. And sorry, describing illegal immigrants as the greatest threat to this country makes you sound extremely xenophobic.

Illegal immigration my not be the biggest threat to this country, but the willingness of large corporations to give jobs to illegals that they can't outsource to other countries may very well be.

The gap between the richest and poorest Americans has grown the widest that it has been since 1928, right before the Great Depression. Americans are urged not to put two and two together.

nobody's ignoring the illegal immigration issue, and nobody's arguing for illegal immigrants.

what Beckwin is trying to get across is that in this particular instance, it is more about drunk drinking than anything else. manipulating an issue mainly about drunk driving into something about the illegal immigration to gain political capital, is a blatant act of douchbagery.

I was referring to the last line of his post. O'Rly is what he is, a pompous, ignorant, fact-aversive wind-bag. Anything that he says should automatically be considered incorrect and devoid of any factual backing. If you have 2 apples and someone gives you 2 more apples, if O'Rly says that you have 4 apples, you better make sure that you don't have any extra apples lying around.

But illegal immigration (and the exportation of American jobs) is still a large concern and not the same thing as xenophobia and racism. While it may be from O'Rly, it is not so for everyone. That is the point I wanted to get across.

[Kross]

Septimus for pres.

I want to be a member of the church of Septimus.