Lucky Star

[Priran]

So things are only funny if it works in stand up?

What the fuck?

Because that was my analogy, right?

[Kaylia]

How about, before that, you point out where I said "Lucky Star sucks because it is popular"?

"Lucky Star is a terrible anime that wouldn't be an eighth as popular as it is if:
*Didn't star Aya Hirano
*No dancing in OP
*Wasn't animated by KyoAni
The only people who can stand this show are people who thought Haaroohee was the best anime ever. None of this has anything to do with the actual quality of the animation and humor, which is scraping the bottom of the barrel. You see this shit happening all the time in real life? If your life so funny, what the fuck do you need to watch this show for?"

Then explain me how bringing this to the argument change anything. You are frustrated because Lucky Star is popular, you are bashing it for the same reason. Yes, its popularity matter to you because more than one half of your post talk about it...you are the only one who bring that topic, not me.

There's nothing unique about Lucky Star's animation, art direction or anything else. Please, just stop talking about animation if you think Lucky Star's is good.
And I don't remember saying "Gonzo would have butchered it", either. You seem to like putting words into my mouth.

I can't think of another anime that look like this one, so yes, it's "unique". It's a simple style, and they are reusing a lot of frame, but the product is still unique.

I'm the one who said that...stop being paranoid. By butchered, I mean drastically altered since you asked me about the hypothetical situation Gonzo would have produced the anime.

Stand-up comics try to make you look at things in a different way, use hyperbole, exaggeration, or plain make things up.
Lucky Star... doesn't. It's just moeblobs doing everyday things. If a comic got on stage and told this joke:

Standup comic won't make you look at thing in a different way, they simply pinpoint the important part that get a reaction from you. Yes, sometime they bring a topic you never thought about, but it's still something you would agree with if you had thought about that. Hyperpole and exaggeration are used because it's a guy alone on a scene who has to get his point accross and make his scenario believable, the anime simply uses the visual and sound because it don't need anything else.

"So I went to my friend's house. He was sick. We were talking, and then his sister walked in in her pajamas."

He'd be booed off the fucking stage.

What a good argument you got here....well, I guess you were right all along. oh wait..nvm

#1 You take a random scenes out of context, and describe it in a way to support your point by making it look retarded.
#2 Not every scene will be good or funny. No anime/tv show/standup comic make you laugh all the time. I already said multiples times there is 10 minutes that will make me laugh/smile per episode, and another 10 that wont get any reaction from me.

[Priran]

How about, before that, you point out where I said "Lucky Star sucks because it is popular"?

"Lucky Star is a terrible anime that wouldn't be an eighth as popular as it is if:
*Didn't star Aya Hirano
*No dancing in OP
*Wasn't animated by KyoAni
The only people who can stand this show are people who thought Haaroohee was the best anime ever. None of this has anything to do with the actual quality of the animation and humor, which is scraping the bottom of the barrel. You see this shit happening all the time in real life? If your life so funny, what the fuck do you need to watch this show for?"

Not seeing it.

Then explain me how bringing this to the argument change anything. You are frustrated because Lucky Star is popular, you are bashing it for the same reason. Yes, its popularity matter to you because more than one half of your post talk about it...you are the only one who bring that topic, not me.

Its undeserved popularity is the reason I made my first post in the other thread. I can tolerate shitty anime, I just choose to not watch them. I have a problem with Lucky Star because it has no less than SIX fansub groups on it, while other new anime for this season are either not being subbed, or being subbed slowly by pricks and dramafags.

Note that this isn't why Lucky Star sucks, or why I hate it. I hate it because it's unfunny and has art that's beyond ugly.

[quote:65b4d]There's nothing unique about Lucky Star's animation, art direction or anything else. Please, just stop talking about animation if you think Lucky Star's is good.
And I don't remember saying "Gonzo would have butchered it", either. You seem to like putting words into my mouth.

I can't think of another anime that look like this one, so yes, it's "unique". It's a simple style, and they are reusing a lot of frame, but the product is still unique.[/quote:65b4d]Its animation is not unique. Its animation is pretty bad.

You are talking about its art direction, which is still pretty bad. Lucky Star has some of the ugliest character designs I've ever seen.

[quote:65b4d]Stand-up comics try to make you look at things in a different way, use hyperbole, exaggeration, or plain make things up.
Lucky Star... doesn't. It's just moeblobs doing everyday things. If a comic got on stage and told this joke:

Standup comic won't make you look at thing in a different way, they simply pinpoint the important part that get a reaction from you. Yes, sometime they bring a topic you never thought about, but it's still something you would agree with if you had thought about that. Hyperbole and exaggeration are used because it's a guy alone on a scene who has to get his point across and make his scenario believable, the anime simply uses the visual and sound because it don't need anything else.[/quote:65b4d]Really?

Here's part of an old routine from George Carlin.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Does the average fan of football or baseball think of either sport in this way? Probably not, so when Carlin points out little things like this, it's funny.

[quote:65b4d]"So I went to my friend's house. He was sick. We were talking, and then his sister walked in in her pajamas."

He'd be booed off the fucking stage.

What a good argument you got here....well, I guess you were right all along. oh wait..nvm

#1 You take a random scenes out of context, and describe it in a way to support your point by making it look retarded.
#2 Not every scene will be good or funny. No anime/tv show/standup comic make you laugh all the time. I already said multiples times there is 10 minutes that will make me laugh/smile per episode, and another 10 that wont get any reaction from me.[/quote:65b4d]If it isn't supposed to be funny, then what the fuck was it animated for? Lucky Star has no plot. It's sketch-based. They had no real reason to go visit her while she was sick.
The only thing they could've possibly been trying was a joke. And they did, the awkward scene where she walks in in her pajamas. That was the payoff. And it wasn't funny.

[Eaglestrike]

I sure do watch anime for there to be some really hot looking pixels on my screen. I mean really, what else would there be if an anime didn't look great and turn me on with its wonderful art? There's no way I could enjoy something simple and plain, that is totally below me!

You sound like a stuck up rich kid who didn't get his way, Priran, just leave the thread alone, lets talk about Lucky Star and what we like about it, not why it sucks (when you obviously have no interest in the actual anime). I leave threads alone that I only have negative comments to make, maybe you should try that.

[Elcura]

I generally think LS is much better in a manga form or the 4 panel okaki (or however you spell it). It's not that it's popular that annoys me in general, it's that it's popular even though it's not good at all. And the fanboys for LS remind me of the fanboys for FFVII lol. Haruhi was popular beyond belief, but it was actually good (even though some people were watching it for other reasons, much like they are LS).

I mean, Azumanga has a very similar style, yet it manages to be funny because it takes things and puts a new twist on it, like Priran said.

Yotsuba is the best example, it takes very normal everyday things and puts them in the perspective of a 4/5 yr old kid. Even simple things like forgetting your wallet at the supermarket made me rofl so hard.

LS has everyday life in the perspective of people who are very everyday people. So everything seems normal. Sure, you get maybe one laugh and a few smiles per show, but is that a good thing? I mean, for a comedy show to only laugh once is pathetic. I laughed more watching Kanon 2006, the first 3 episodes made me laugh more than 8 episodes of LS have (not including LC, cause that's awesome).

And honestly, I think KyoAni must be bored with these, the animation could be done by fucking Toei and it'd look the same. Very disappointing. Anyway, enough of this from me.

[Priran]

I sure do watch anime for there to be some really hot looking pixels on my screen. I mean really, what else would there be if an anime didn't look great and turn me on with its wonderful art? There's no way I could enjoy something simple and plain, that is totally below me!

That made me lol for two reasons:

1. All Konata does is point out things about the characters appearances and personalities that were designed specifically to be attractive.
2. The opposite of shit art isn't hentai.

You sound like a stuck up rich kid who didn't get his way, Priran, just leave the thread alone, lets talk about Lucky Star and what we like about it, not why it sucks (when you obviously have no interest in the actual anime). I leave threads alone that I only have negative comments to make, maybe you should try that.

Do I really need to point out again that this started in a different thread? I wasn't even looking to start an argument.

[Eaglestrike]

You weren't looking to start an argument? The only thing I can remember you posting in all of BG is your amazingly negative comments about anime. I cannot think of any other topic on this forum I remember you talking about, my only memory of you is how much shit you talk about anime that I happen to like. When you talk like that, you ARE looking for an argument. You've been here for so many hours defending yourself because this is what you WANTED to happen. If you didn't WANT an argument, you would have just stopped posting. So don't give me that BS.

[Priran]

You weren't looking to start an argument? The only thing I can remember you posting in all of BG is your amazingly negative comments about anime. I cannot think of any other topic on this forum I remember you talking about, my only memory of you is how much shit you talk about anime that I happen to like. When you talk like that, you ARE looking for an argument. You've been here for so many hours defending yourself because this is what you WANTED to happen. If you didn't WANT an argument, you would have just stopped posting. So don't give me that BS.

the face makes contact with the palm.

This started in a Claymore thread. Were I looking for an argument, I'd have posted here in the first place.

[Eaglestrike]

You weren't looking to start an argument? The only thing I can remember you posting in all of BG is your amazingly negative comments about anime. I cannot think of any other topic on this forum I remember you talking about, my only memory of you is how much shit you talk about anime that I happen to like. When you talk like that, you ARE looking for an argument. You've been here for so many hours defending yourself because this is what you WANTED to happen. If you didn't WANT an argument, you would have just stopped posting. So don't give me that BS.

the face makes contact with the palm.

This started in a Claymore thread. Were I looking for an argument, I'd have posted here in the first place.

This exact argument may have started in the Claymore thread, but that doesn't mean you don't make posts looking for an argument. You don't march into threads after 30 people have posted in support of a certain subject and make a hateful comment about how shitty it is without wanting an argument, and I've seen you do that a few times. If you want me to be a little more specific there was some anime thread (I forget if it was a general one or about Naruto/Bleach specifically) and you started trashing all shonen manga. Naruto and Bleach are two of the most popular anime whether you like it or not, if you think they're shitty and go around announcing you are, you're going to find an argument. Unless you're a complete retard, you'd be aware of that. If I make the assumption that you are not a complete retard, you go around posting LOOKING FOR AN ARGUMENT.

[Priran]

This exact argument may have started in the Claymore thread, but that doesn't mean you don't make posts looking for an argument. You don't march into threads after 30 people have posted in support of a certain subject and make a hateful comment about how shitty it is without wanting an argument, and I've seen you do that a few times. If you want me to be a little more specific there was some anime thread (I forget if it was a general one or about Naruto/Bleach specifically) and you started trashing all shonen manga. Naruto and Bleach are two of the most popular anime whether you like it or not, if you think they're shitty and go around announcing you are, you're going to find an argument. Unless you're a complete retard, you'd be aware of that. If I make the assumption that you are not a complete retard, you go around posting LOOKING FOR AN ARGUMENT.

Either I'm retarded or I'm looking for an argument? In the interest of not hearing it used over and over, incorrectly, like "strawman" has been of late, I'm going to just say that's a logical fallacy.

I don't need an ulterior motive to express an opinion, and a thread isn't a clubhouse, where I'm not allowed to post an opinion in opposition to the one in the OP. Get over it.

[Eaglestrike]

Yes, when you make a strong dissenting opinion that is completely against the entire point of the thread you express it, you're looking for an argument. I'm sorry you wish to continue to deny that, but there's really no reason for you to want to share such an opinion, in a thread meant for the opposite, other than to make an argument.

There are threads open to discussion about likes and dislikes, but there are few threads that invite absolute hatred of the topic, which is what you have shown when making the posts I'm talking about. We can go on about some form of "freedom of speech" and "freedom of expression" all you want, but that does not mean that when you place the opinion you have in the place you do, you're simply expressing your opinion, you're not just doing that because there is no logic behind doing such a thing. If you truly have no reason at all to post what you do, you should listen to your mother more, "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say it."

[Scythiroth]

If you don't like the anime, avoid this topic? It really isn't that hard to do...

Idiot, I wasn't in this topic, kaylia brought the argument here.

And you followed, your point?

It really isn't that hard to not argue something, you hate it, that's fine, stop posting in a topic for people that actually like the anime.

[Priran]

And you followed, your point?

It really isn't that hard to not argue something, you hate it, that's fine, stop posting in a topic for people that actually like the anime.

Yes, when you make a strong dissenting opinion that is completely against the entire point of the thread you express it, you're looking for an argument. I'm sorry you wish to continue to deny that, but there's really no reason for you to want to share such an opinion, in a thread meant for the opposite, other than to make an argument.

I figured people who liked this anime had to be dense, but this is superlative.

[Charismatic]

Holy fucking shit Priran, give it a rest, you're not even arguing about Lucky Star anymore.

You don't like Lucky Star, we get that. You've said your piece haven't you? We all know that actions speak louder than words right? I'm assuming we do, and given that your actions are telling pretty much everyone here that you're arguing for the sake of arguing. (Pretty much taking away any credibility you have when trying to argue against Eaglestrike on your reason for even being in this thread, and making yourself look even more fucking retarded than ever before.)
I know pretty much everyone from 4chan loves trolling, fuck, I do it myself sometimes. Yes, even on these boards. Since not everyone here is from 4chan nor wants that kind of environment here I don't take it too far. You, on the other hand, do... almost every goddamn time. I already know how you are going to respond to this, so there was almost no point in me posting, but I figured I'd give it a shot anyhow.



tl;dr: GTFO

[Priran]

you do realize how retarded bumping a thread after 5 and a half hours of inactivity to tell me to stop posting makes you look, right

[Charismatic]

It's not as if you weren't going to come back (as you just proved.)

[Priran]

20 minutes between your post and my 2-line reply


you can probably tell i'm on the edge of my seat, spamming f5 in a veritable sea of anticipation and adrenaline

[Charismatic]

You get on other people for putting words in your mouth, then do the same... hypocrite much?
Either way, it's pretty obvious that you're just trolling, so I'm going to do what you can't do... stop posting.

[Priran]

yeah well at least I don't dunk sweet potato pirate ship (as you just philandered.)

[Kaylia]

Its undeserved popularity is the reason I made my first post in the other thread. I can tolerate shitty anime, I just choose to not watch them. I have a problem with Lucky Star because it has no less than SIX fansub groups on it, while other new anime for this season are either not being subbed, or being subbed slowly by pricks and dramafags.

Note that this isn't why Lucky Star sucks, or why I hate it. I hate it because it's unfunny and has art that's beyond ugly.

Stop making bullshit to validate your point...
Ein no anime, JEEB and afk...I count 3. None of which release it within the day. So, yes, that's less than 6 groups. There was 6 and 5 on the first 3 episodes, but half of them gave up because it's pointless to have so many sub.

Note that this isn't why Lucky Star sucks, or why I hate it. I hate it because it's unfunny and has art that's beyond ugly
You are talking about its art direction, which is still pretty bad. Lucky Star has some of the ugliest character designs I've ever seen.

How do you determine the "ugliness" of a character design. I can prove my point that they are relatively unique...can you prove they are the ugliest?

Arguing with you is utterly pointless, because you can't look beyond the surface of things. At the moment, you just want to say Lucky Star suck, and doesn't try to rationalize why it sucks. The pastel color pallete, the character design, the facial expression..no other anime use it the way Lucky Star do, and if there is, it's still uncommon.
You can always tell you are watching Lucky Star from a random frame, something you can't do for 3/4 of the anime out there.

Really?

Here's part of an old routine from George Carlin.

You are fucking retarded, the exception doesn't make the rule

"Obviously, there is many types, but most of them base their story and jokes on real life situation, on something people can relate to: works, sex, family, daily life, politics, computer, etc. Lucky star is no different than those, except it relate to the gamer/anime fan things"

But again, I don't understand what's funny about that routine. I don't even know the technical terms related to those sport. So yes, it still apply to thing you can relate to.

If it isn't supposed to be funny, then what the fuck was it animated for? Lucky Star has no plot. It's sketch-based. They had no real reason to go visit her while she was sick.
The only thing they could've possibly been trying was a joke. And they did, the awkward scene where she walks in in her pajamas. That was the payoff. And it wasn't funny.

#1 I can't think of the exact scene you are talking about. konata did it to steal her homeworks when she was sick, which is funny imo
#2 Assuming you are talking about another scene, something that last 30sec to introduce one aspect of the character isn't stupid. You know she is the type that wake up late based on that.
#3 There is nothing wrong about "cute" scene. That's like saying looking at kitty picture is not funny...off course it's not, it's suposed to be heartwarming or something
#4 Why do you have to laugh every 10sec? I watched the anime you recommanded in the other thread, and it wasn't funny stuff non stop. There was dragged scene as well that bring nothing to the anime.