Haste on Recast

[Kooldac]

This question came to me and surprised me that I didn't know such a fundamental game mechanic.

When haste is applied to recast rates such as Utsusemi, when does it calculate the amount of haste in the system? Is it somewhere in mid cast of Utsusemi or at 100% cast? Aka, been wondering what to macro in for my Pld/Nin tanking build and would like to know wait times for casting, etc.

[Kaylia]

Pretty sure you need it equiped when the spell is casted (not during the casting).

[Dmer]

Recast is determined right as the cast goes off or immediatly after. If it were at start or mid-cast you would have to wait the entire recast time to attempt to cast again any time you were interupted.

[Lordwafik]

Fast Cast counted at the start
Haste counted at the end
Micro-management people put fast cast first and finish with haste, note that it's not reliable in a laggy situation.

[Kaylia]

Fast Cast counted at the start
Haste counted at the end
Micro-management people put fast cast first and finish with haste, note that it's not reliable in a laggy situation.

People usually finish with "+int/mnd/skill", not haste if they micro manage their spell casting. If they wanted the "recast effect", they would just leave their fast cast

[Ashira]

Fast Cast counted at the start
Haste counted at the end
Micro-management people put fast cast first and finish with haste, note that it's not reliable in a laggy situation.

People usually finish with "+int/mnd/skill", not haste if they micro manage their spell casting. If they wanted the "recast effect", they would just leave their fast cast

Mm, if he's talking about Utsusemi, as the OP was asking about, then the INT/MND/Skill won't make a difference. Fast Cast at start and Haste counted at end, then a switch would lower recast even more than if Fast Cast was just left on.

[darktroll]

if he's talking about Utsusemi, as the OP was asking about, then the INT/MND/Skill won't make a difference.

what if the caster wants smarter shadows?

[ashke]

my Ni's smarter than your Ni...







what wafik says, I played around with it a bit on Stun on my BLM w/ my rune chopper and turban. if you change gear, it calculates recast when the spell goes off, not when you start.

And yeah, I've been working on haste gear for my BLM. >.>

[Elesirdur]

I usually have my Homam Manopolas on full-time when I play PLD these days. For PLD/NIN I get haste from my Turban, Homam Manopolas, and when I cast utsu I put in my lolQuick Belt (yes I'm poor and don't have a Swift/Speed Belt) and I've been thinking about snagging a Blitz Ring for casting too. Toss on Haste and songs and you can reliably Ichi tank all day long if the enemy's attack speed isn't too fast (Yorvas, etc).

If you have access to them, Homam Cosicles (the legs) are the best leg gear you can get for PLD/NIN as the Fast Cast does help. Especially in light of the new shield upgrades it's tough to get interrupted with a good Haste+Fast Cast set for Utsu tanking using macros.

PS: If you're on PS2 this could be hard to do as it'll probably take 2 macros to get all the required gear swaps and spell casts in.

[Kooldac]

Just what I was looking for. thanks

[diemos]

Personally, I think the best way to test this would be on BRD.

Myself being BRD40 and finishing that after RNG75+merits/gear, I can't test it (obviously).

If someone sent me a message with all their BRD equips I could possibly make some nice windower macros or something.

Start all songs with Fast Cast/Spell Cast Reduction, end with Skill/CHR. I need to get BRD75 sometime

[Kaylia]

Fast Cast counted at the start
Haste counted at the end
Micro-management people put fast cast first and finish with haste, note that it's not reliable in a laggy situation.

People usually finish with "+int/mnd/skill", not haste if they micro manage their spell casting. If they wanted the "recast effect", they would just leave their fast cast

Mm, if he's talking about Utsusemi, as the OP was asking about, then the INT/MND/Skill won't make a difference. Fast Cast at start and Haste counted at end, then a switch would lower recast even more than if Fast Cast was just left on.

There is no haste gears for the slots with fast cast gear that should be swapped in the 2nd half of your macro, that's what I'm saying.
Homam pants are gonna be used for the casting "and" the spell since they are the best in both case. There is a fast cast earring, but no haste earrings...dunno what other fast cast gear tank have access to, I can't think of anything.

Name me one slot where you would macro "haste" in the 2nd step of the process that couldnt have been macroed in the 1st one. The only people doing this is people who want a faster casting, followed by a int/mnd/skill bonus on their spell

[Dibond]

I'd assume he's talking about rdm af or af2 stuff.

[Kaylia]

I'd assume he's talking about rdm af or af2 stuff.

Arent the af2 hat and walahra turban both the same? If not then my bad

[Septimus]

Walahra Turban is +5% Haste. Warlock's Chapeau is 10% Fast Cast meaning -5% recast time. There is no reason to swap the turban in for Chapeau since the recast adjustment is the same.

[solsovly]

my Ni's smarter than your Ni...
what wafik says, I played around with it a bit on Stun on my BLM w/ my rune chopper and turban. if you change gear, it calculates recast when the spell goes off, not when you start.

And yeah, I've been working on haste gear for my BLM. >.>

Wait, do you actually engage on your blm?

[raisen]

Wait, do you actually engage on your blm?

you need to engage to need haste/fast cast ? stun recast ftw!

[pingpong]

wait a second, back to what Wafik said....

fast cast gear is counted at start, haste gear is counted at the end. Forget about spellcast reduction time completely and just focus on the recast.

Warlock Chapeau 5% recast reduction is calculated at the start of the spellcast
Walahra Turban 5% haste (calculated at the end)

So a macro like

/equip Head "Warlock's Chapeau"

and also

/nin "Utsusemi: Ni" <me>
/wait 0.5 (lol?)
/equip Head "Walahra Turban"

would give you 10% haste.

Correct me if I'm wrong wafik, but if this is correct this would make reaching the haste cap so easy for a RDM

+10% from being RDM
+15% from haste
+10% in head 5+5
+9% from 2 body pieces 5+4
+6% from belt

Don't need anything else...

[Cylo]

Wait, do you actually engage on your blm?

you need to engage to need haste/fast cast ? stun recast ftw!

Rune chopper haste effect is only active while engaged.

[Ashira]

Name me one slot where you would macro "haste" in the 2nd step of the process that couldnt have been macroed in the 1st one.

BLITZ RING GO

Well, not that you would macro it in halfway through or anything, I just couldn't help but bring it up, it makes me laugh. :D

And yeah, I've been working on haste gear for my BLM. >.>

/nod

Mm, for Stun, I personally go Nashira Turban as a definite Haste piece (I like the idea of the MACC too, maybe just superstitious >.>); beyond that I don't have much space to carry pieces around in.

If I were to put a set together though, I'd probably go with

Nashira Turban (Walahra alternately) and Manteel
Loquacious Earring
Rostrum Pumps
Swift Belt
Warlock's Mantle if /RDM

If I'm calculating the Fast Cast recast timers properly, that should bring Stun recast down to 39 seconds (with Nashira Turban, 38 with Walahra I believe) without Marches or haste?

I'd stick with AF1 pants and AF2 hands for Dark Skill, and leave Jupiter's Staff on, more than likely; I like long Stuns. But if you went Nashira Gages and Seraweels as well, another 3% Haste, you'd bring recast to 37 seconds, and if you go Rune Chopper it looks like 33 seconds?

At least I think I'm figuring that right.

Too bad I don't really have that much space to carry all that around.

EDIT: Oh yeah, plus the Fast Cast traits of /RDM...

EDIT AGAIN: And think we'd hit the Haste cap on gear with Chopper anyway...

Fuck it, I give up. -.-