Haste on Recast

[raisen]

Rune chopper haste effect is only active while engaged.

nevermind din't know that.
go for a capricorn staff then

[Ashira]

Rune chopper haste effect is only active while engaged.

nevermind din't know that.
go for a capricorn staff then

BLM can't equip that.

[Alastaire]

I tried the haste for stun thing on my BLM for a little while, but realistically I don't have the space, and other things aren't worth sacrificing.

[pingpong]

I tried the haste for stun thing on my BLM for a little while, but realistically I don't have the space, and other things aren't worth sacrificing.

I think it's a waste of space for BLM to be carrying haste gear that can only get a recast down 6 seconds. For small team strategies requiring frequent stuns, have the bard play 2x march and the RDM give haste just skip the ballad imo.

[raisen]

BLM can't equip that.

bah forgot about that,i use it on raise 3 haste gear macro lol

[Ashira]

I tried the haste for stun thing on my BLM for a little while, but realistically I don't have the space, and other things aren't worth sacrificing.

I think it's a waste of space for BLM to be carrying haste gear that can only get a recast down 6 seconds. For small team strategies requiring frequent stuns, have the bard play 2x march and the RDM give haste just skip the ballad imo.

If you have the space, there's no harm in it. Especially since a lot of BLMs wear Rostrums anyway, and I know a few that use Loquacious by choice as one of their earrings.

Six seconds is huge, really. One or two I can see an argument against (BRDs that wear Haidate for the 1 second off Lullaby, for instance...), but six seconds is quite a bit of time. And in situations like we're in now and again, killing Cerberus with only 7-9 people and 2 real dedicated Stuns, with only one backup on RDM/DRK who has other things to do, it makes Gateswatch a little easier.

How much extra would I carry just for Stun haste? Well, looking at the pieces I suggested, I'd really only have to fit in 3 more pieces, which is doable because of pieces I can leave behind depending on days of the week and such. Is it necessary? Not really. Is it helpful? Hell yeah.

[Kaylia]

Walahra Turban is +5% Haste. Warlock's Chapeau is 10% Fast Cast meaning -5% recast time. There is no reason to swap the turban in for Chapeau since the recast adjustment is the same.

In this case, there is even less reason to swap "fast cast" gear for "haste", which is what I saying <_>


To pingpong, if you take off your fast cast after initiating the casting, it won't affect your recast time at all.

Casting time: Gear equiped when spell is initiated
Recast time: Gear equiped when the spell is activated

Name me one slot where you would macro "haste" in the 2nd step of the process that couldnt have been macroed in the 1st one.

BLITZ RING GO

Well, not that you would macro it in halfway through or anything, I just couldn't help but bring it up, it makes me laugh. :D

There is no "fast cast" ring tho >_> I was just talking about a situation where you would swap a fast cast item for an haste item midway in your casting.

Every "haste" gear macroed is done in a 1 step process...I think.

I tried the haste for stun thing on my BLM for a little while, but realistically I don't have the space, and other things aren't worth sacrificing.

Depend where. If I'm going to fight cerberus, you can easily leave a few gear in your MH to bring your haste gears.

[pingpong]

To pingpong, if you take off your fast cast after initiating the casting, it won't affect your recast time at all.

Casting time: Gear equiped when spell is initiated
Recast time: Gear equiped when the spell is activated

Interesting, then why Wafik posted what he did surprises me. I'm sure he's aware the AF2 body and AF1 hat are 5% each haste already, that's why I thought he meant you can get an additional 5% by snapping in something like W.Turban in time for the finish of the cast. Are you 100% positive on those 2 statements as it relates to fastcast gear?

@Ashira, As for haste on Stun, I don't disagree w/ what has been said already, but it's too situational to be carrying around 5 pieces of specific gear just for that stun recast unless you knew ahead of time, in which case you can drop items from certain sets (perhaps enfeebling) to put into haste. Mostly I feel a Haste from mage / bard song is more than enough in almost all situations that require more frequent stunning.

[Ashira]

There is no "fast cast" ring tho >_> I was just talking about a situation where you would swap a fast cast item for an haste item midway in your casting.

Yeah, I know, that's why I said you wouldn't equip it in or anything. The ring just makes me laugh. :D

[Kaylia]

There is no "fast cast" ring tho >_> I was just talking about a situation where you would swap a fast cast item for an haste item midway in your casting.

Yeah, I know, that's why I said you wouldn't equip it in or anything. The ring just makes me laugh. :D

It's awesome if your are DRG or DRK. Can melee with N.set, and equip the ring to counter the effect.

[Dmer]

There is no "fast cast" ring tho >_> I was just talking about a situation where you would swap a fast cast item for an haste item midway in your casting.

WHM : Rostrum pumps > Blessed Pumps +1

NQ Blessed = 2% haste (the same amount of recast reduction received from the Fast Cast effect on Rostrums).
HQ Blessed = 3% haste, so this would actually be a situation where the swapping of Rostrums (Fast Cast) to Blessed +1 (Haste) at mid-cast would be a benefit.

[Dammerung]

There is no "fast cast" ring tho >_> I was just talking about a situation where you would swap a fast cast item for an haste item midway in your casting.

WHM : Rostrum pumps > Blessed Pumps +1

NQ Blessed = 2% haste (the same amount of recast reduction received from the Fast Cast effect on Rostrums).
HQ Blessed = 3% haste, so this would actually be a situation where the swapping of Rostrums (Fast Cast) to Blessed +1 (Haste) at mid-cast would be a benefit.

Rostrums are 3% fastcast, 1.5% recast

[Lordwafik]

I brainfarted and for a moment thought nashira body had more than just 3% haste. Was thinking AF2 body > Swap to nashira midway for recast timer.

Oh wells, whms are the only ones who can do it i suppose with rostrum and blessed.

[Dmer]

Rostrums are 3% fastcast, 1.5% recast

Then it rounds up, because I had Blessed NQ when I got my Rostrum's and tested the recast timers with both equipped and they both gave the same recast times.

[Dammerung]

Rostrums are 3% fastcast, 1.5% recast

Then it rounds up, because I had Blessed NQ when I got my Rostrum's and tested the recast timers with both equipped and they both gave the same recast times.

It doesn't round up.

[Faranim]

To pingpong, if you take off your fast cast after initiating the casting, it won't affect your recast time at all.

Casting time: Gear equiped when spell is initiated
Recast time: Gear equiped when the spell is activated

Interesting, then why Wafik posted what he did surprises me. I'm sure he's aware the AF2 body and AF1 hat are 5% each haste already, that's why I thought he meant you can get an additional 5% by snapping in something like W.Turban in time for the finish of the cast. Are you 100% positive on those 2 statements as it relates to fastcast gear?

@Ashira, As for haste on Stun, I don't disagree w/ what has been said already, but it's too situational to be carrying around 5 pieces of specific gear just for that stun recast unless you knew ahead of time, in which case you can drop items from certain sets (perhaps enfeebling) to put into haste. Mostly I feel a Haste from mage / bard song is more than enough in almost all situations that require more frequent stunning.

Casting time (i.e. at what % of the spellcasting bar the spell will execute) is determined when you start casting, and uses Fast Cast and casting time -% gear.

Recast time (i.e. how long you have to wait to cast the same spell again) is determined when you successfully finish casting, and uses Fast Cast and Haste at the time of casting.

Fast Cast does 2 different things. It makes spells cast faster, and also reduces their recast time. But they calculations occur at different times.

If you start casting a spell with RDM Hat, and then swap to Turban, all you get is the 5% Haste reduction from the Turban, you lose the 5% Fast Cast recast reduction. So in other words, switching to Turban is useless.


Also, RDM AF1 Hat and AF2 Body aren't "5% Haste" they're 10% Fast Cast. Just because 10% Fast Cast results in the same recast reduction as 5% Haste doesn't mean they are equivalent...

[Septimus]

To pingpong, if you take off your fast cast after initiating the casting, it won't affect your recast time at all.

Casting time: Gear equiped when spell is initiated
Recast time: Gear equiped when the spell is activated

Interesting, then why Wafik posted what he did surprises me. I'm sure he's aware the AF2 body and AF1 hat are 5% each haste already, that's why I thought he meant you can get an additional 5% by snapping in something like W.Turban in time for the finish of the cast. Are you 100% positive on those 2 statements as it relates to fastcast gear?

@Ashira, As for haste on Stun, I don't disagree w/ what has been said already, but it's too situational to be carrying around 5 pieces of specific gear just for that stun recast unless you knew ahead of time, in which case you can drop items from certain sets (perhaps enfeebling) to put into haste. Mostly I feel a Haste from mage / bard song is more than enough in almost all situations that require more frequent stunning.

Casting time (i.e. at what % of the spellcasting bar the spell will execute) is determined when you start casting, and uses Fast Cast and casting time -% gear.

Recast time (i.e. how long you have to wait to cast the same spell again) is determined when you successfully finish casting, and uses Fast Cast and Haste at the time of casting.

Fast Cast does 2 different things. It makes spells cast faster, and also reduces their recast time. But they calculations occur at different times.

If you start casting a spell with RDM Hat, and then swap to Turban, all you get is the 5% Haste reduction from the Turban, you lose the 5% Fast Cast recast reduction. So in other words, switching to Turban is useless.


Also, RDM AF1 Hat and AF2 Body aren't "5% Haste" they're 10% Fast Cast. Just because 10% Fast Cast results in the same recast reduction as 5% Haste doesn't mean they are equivalent...

One thing that I have often wondered though, is Fast Cast applied to your gear haste cap, or can it go above and beyond that. Since I don't have enough haste gear on RDM, I have no way of knowing. (And I already hit or get close to hitting the spell recast cap from Haste spell and fast cast traits and gear with the little haste gear I have.)

[Kaylia]

Aren't recast capping at 50% of the initial timer no matter what? I know it's the cap with haste, but I'm almost certain I saw rdm post that it cap at 50% for everyone (would go under if their fast cast trait was going over the cap).

[Septimus]

Aren't recast capping at 50% of the initial timer no matter what? I know it's the cap with haste, but I'm almost certain I saw rdm post that it cap at 50% for everyone (would go under if their fast cast trait was going over the cap).

Recast is capped at 50%, but gear is capped at 25% haste. Basically I was wondering the maximum recast reduction you could get without the haste spell.

[Tordall]

I did some testing with a rdm friend a while back (waiting for people to show up for a CoP fight).

I believe that fastcast is applied separately from 'haste from gear.' The 'charged haste belt,' level 40ish 20 3 minute charges of 10% haste, is also applied separately from 'haste from gear' and stacks with the haste spell.

About the only real application I see for stacking fastcast & haste from gear past 25% is nin/rdm soloing when you can get your :ni timers down to about 33-34 seconds instead of 36-37 with just haste gear.