Anime Thread. [Prob not 56k safe]

[Rivero]

What part of Druaga Tower you guys like? The "fake rpg" setting is really killing the mood for me. I could accept it if it was a comedy, but it's way too serious most of the time. After 10 episodes, I still know next to nothing about the characters, and they are never involved in scene that make me cares about them.

I'd have to say I started watching Druaga thinking it would be one of those .hack/sign style animes but with a more comical and ecchi style instead of serious 30 minute episodes of talking about crap you'll never understand until you watch it 5 times in a row. ( ) Anyways I wasn't sure whether it was serious or not, I think the series kind of failed in the sense that they tried to make it a little bit of both in 12 episodes, I mean thats just pretty damn impossible and as you can see it wound up suffering because they have to rush the final now.

I don't even understand what the point was of having the OP give off that style, I feel so ripped off thinking "when are we going to see the real world for a change". xD Anyways Druaga was an alright series, I think on its own it would have done better as a comical and ecchi based anime instead of the story which seemed kind of poorly done and too rushed up.

I got to admit I really love the OP though. :D

[BerenTebogo]

I liked Druaga for what it was, just a short little series, I wish it had more EP but it was enough to make me sad when on EP11, so it did something right.

[Rivero]

Did you watch it RAW? I can't find it subbed yet.

[octopus]

Did you watch it RAW? I can't find it subbed yet.

/facepalm

Subs are out on streaming sites only at the moment.

[Rivero]

Ah I see. Guess I'll wait for a torrent then. : p

[arus2001]

I kinda scratch my head at some of the people who think these episodes are done in like a week, or that a few days of touching up will suddenly make animation super. If CG's doing another 25 episode run, would imagine they're working on episode 20+ right now as an example.

Though, I've also seen people talking about going back and fixing stuff for DVD release. Can someone actually point to a series where that happened, and have actual comparisons? And I'm talking more than like "Digitially remastered" in terms of sprucing up.

[Osede]

I kinda scratch my head at some of the people who think these episodes are done in like a week, or that a few days of touching up will suddenly make animation super. If CG's doing another 25 episode run, would imagine they're working on episode 20+ right now as an example.

Though, I've also seen people talking about going back and fixing stuff for DVD release. Can someone actually point to a series where that happened, and have actual comparisons? And I'm talking more than like "Digitially remastered" in terms of sprucing up.

hi2u gundam seed destiny. Those CV only get their script about a day before the anime gonna on AIR. And they had to get the work done 1hr before it gonna on AIR >.>

[fantasticdan]

[spoiler:345kkpfl]In the Preview for Episode 11 he is shown with his mask off in China, so unless he has a teleporter or something..[/spoiler:345kkpfl]

[spoiler:345kkpfl]How can you tell he's in china in that preview scene?[/spoiler:345kkpfl]

[octopus]

Though, I've also seen people talking about going back and fixing stuff for DVD release. Can someone actually point to a series where that happened, and have actual comparisons? And I'm talking more than like "Digitially remastered" in terms of sprucing up.

You haven't seen the difference in Nanoha StrikerS DVD vs TV screens? They were drastic! It's posted somewhere in this thread...

[arus2001]

I kinda scratch my head at some of the people who think these episodes are done in like a week, or that a few days of touching up will suddenly make animation super. If CG's doing another 25 episode run, would imagine they're working on episode 20+ right now as an example.

Though, I've also seen people talking about going back and fixing stuff for DVD release. Can someone actually point to a series where that happened, and have actual comparisons? And I'm talking more than like "Digitially remastered" in terms of sprucing up.

hi2u gundam seed destiny. Those CV only get their script about a day before the anime gonna on AIR. And they had to get the work done 1hr before it gonna on AIR >.>

Hate is one thing, uninformed exaggeration is another. Back when I was going to an Art Institute, we'd gotten a little sneak peak at the animation process. At the time, you could expect a cel to take about 45 minutes to an hour for a combination of artists to complete, and you'd typically want at least 18 cels in single second frame so the eye doesn't start registering things as choppy.

Now, this doesn't rule out using the same cel multiple times for stills or something, but if you're going by a 24 cel shot, that's 34,560 man hours per 24 minute episode. Fortunately, stuff is done in teams so that actual time is cut down dramatically, but there's absolutely no way you could shit out an episode in under 24 hours with all the storyboarding and other creative red tape in the process.

You haven't seen the difference in Nanoha StrikerS DVD vs TV screens? They were drastic! It's posted somewhere in this thread...

If you can find it, I'd like to see it. Not saying it'll never happen, but knowing how a lot of animation studios tend to be on tight budgets, unless there's a nice surplus or the show did surprisingly well and strong DVD sales could be anticipated, I wouldn't expect much animation backtracking.

[Elcura]

I kinda scratch my head at some of the people who think these episodes are done in like a week, or that a few days of touching up will suddenly make animation super. If CG's doing another 25 episode run, would imagine they're working on episode 20+ right now as an example.

Though, I've also seen people talking about going back and fixing stuff for DVD release. Can someone actually point to a series where that happened, and have actual comparisons? And I'm talking more than like "Digitially remastered" in terms of sprucing up.

I think Nanoha StrikerS did that.

[Man0warr]

[spoiler:3qhdch2p]How can you tell he's in china in that preview scene?[/spoiler:3qhdch2p]

[spoiler:3qhdch2p]Why would he be in his Zero clothes if he wasn't?[/spoiler:3qhdch2p]

[octopus]

Alright, the link is here:

http://85.114.129.104/vitaisrlyloliciou ... rs_dvd_tv/

[spoiler:3sldr6c0]Sample:

TV:
http://85.114.129.104/vitaisrlylolic...rikerstv10.jpg
http://85.114.129.104/vitaisrlylolic...rikerstv20.jpg

DVD:
http://85.114.129.104/vitaisrlylolic...ikersdvd10.jpg
http://85.114.129.104/vitaisrlylolic...ikersdvd20.jpg[/spoiler:3sldr6c0]

[fantasticdan]

[spoiler:nifk0zbk]How can you tell he's in china in that preview scene?[/spoiler:nifk0zbk]

[spoiler:nifk0zbk]Why would he be in his Zero clothes if he wasn't?[/spoiler:nifk0zbk]

[spoiler:nifk0zbk]Video communications like usual?[/spoiler:nifk0zbk]

[ASG]

Maybe I missed it, but Mnemosyne still hasn't been subbed yet has it? Been like 3 weeks

[aers]

edit: anyone know where the hell new kurenai and macross f are? did they get put on hold for a week? I think I remember something like that for macross f, but I can't remember.

Blame aers for no Kurenai 11.

I don't get it

I'm in BSS, but I'm not the reason for the delay

Hate is one thing, uninformed exaggeration is another. Back when I was going to an Art Institute, we'd gotten a little sneak peak at the animation process. At the time, you could expect a cel to take about 45 minutes to an hour for a combination of artists to complete, and you'd typically want at least 18 cels in single second frame so the eye doesn't start registering things as choppy.

Now, this doesn't rule out using the same cel multiple times for stills or something, but if you're going by a 24 cel shot, that's 34,560 man hours per 24 minute episode. Fortunately, stuff is done in teams so that actual time is cut down dramatically, but there's absolutely no way you could shit out an episode in under 24 hours with all the storyboarding and other creative red tape in the process.

There is only one currently airing anime still using cel animation. Coincidentally, it's been running since 69 and still pulls higher ratings then every other anime. It has over 2000 episodes. I've watched a few and it honestly looks like it's running at 5 fps, so even with cel animation they aren't doing that much work. Sure, the 24 hour thing is an exaggeration, but it doesn't really take _that_ long.

For the record, voice actors (unless they are big names, such as Norio Wakamoto) and animators (except keyframe animators) get paid absolute shit. I don't have the numbers with me since generally studios keep them secret and I've only seen a few leaks (that I didn't save), but they have a LOT of animation staff getting paid next to nothing. Because of this there tend to be some shows with pretty shitty in between keyframe animation at times, but they can make it fast.

Because of this, a lot of anime has stuff touched up in DVD releases. Also, some anime gets uncensored.

[Gulkeeva]

Or compleatly new scenes! Like in the case of goshuushou-sama ninomiya-kun, has a sun tan lotion scene that was edited out, and a thong scene

[arus2001]

Yeah, I imagine the animation process is a bit different nowadays with computer technology improving. A bit sad, I think, since animating shows instead of paying big ticket actors bloated salaries for live-action crap would be better for the entertainment industry as a whole. Guess I'm just annoyed that I have to look to Japan for quality, not-kiddy-content animation at any reliable frequency.

[aers]

Even the animation industry in America compared to Japan is completely different. A typical episode of Spongebob/Futurama/Avatar has a budget 5-10x+ the budget of a typical anime episode. This would be attributed to higher salary costs.

[Gulkeeva]

Looking around I just noticed other differences from dvd/tv... like in hayate no gotoku sanzenin nagi has a compleatly different chest size... O_o
Oh and shuffle showed off a bit more then just chests in the dvd... apparenty... O_o