Religion question

[Ksandra]

muslim's god = allah

Years years later came the prophet Muhammad who also claimed that not only was Jesus a small prophet but that he got a lot of things wrong (basically). The Koran is basically the rewriting of both the Old Testament and the New Testament according to the way Muhammad said things really happened.

i'm not quite sure about this since that it has been 7 years since I look on the history text book. But I did remember that the time islam was found was during something like Rom's or Egypt or arabian(has been forgot which one..but i'm believe is arabians) attacking on jewish. And muhammad did ask his fellows to accept jews by that time.

but after a few decades then, they start fight to each other.. >.>


and yea, do anyone free to count how many gods buddhism got =.=?

I'll admit I haven't studied much of islam or the history of muhammad but I do know a few things from a college class and from my father. I remember from class about what I stated above (basically muhammad rewriting the testaments).

As for your arabia/egypt statement that I know more about. My father was orignally from Cairo (full-blooded Egyptian) who immigrated here in his late 20s.

Islam was started in Arabia (not part of egypt) they tried to do something similar to what the roman empire did which is take over countries (well kindgoms/areas) and force people to learn their religion. I can't tell you when they came to Egypt but this would probably have been shortly after the fall of the Egyptian empire when the arabs overtook it. They basically gave the Egyptians 3 choices, either a. become Muslim b. pay an insanely high tax to keep your religion c. be killed. I know there's about maybe 3% of the country today that's Jewish and maybe 8% that's Coptic (the Egyptian Christian faith). The rest is Muslim.

Totally random but my family is Coptic and shall we say the Coptics tried to "keep it in the family" if you know what I mean. @@; But it's kind of cool to think that because of it, I'd be a direct decendant of someone during the Egyptian Empire that would have been rich enough to pay a high tax.


King Tut was my granpa, srly.

[Beckwin]

There are many many Buddhas in Buddhism. A Buddha is an enlightened one who attains Nirvana. THE Buddha, Siddartha Guatama, is recognized for bringing the Dharma (path to enlightenment) to people.

[Swampthing]

/poke thread

[Tyr]

I won't speak for Christianity or Judaism, but the conception of Islam is that generally, it is the same God that is worshipped, however, this only stands if you subscribe to the assertion within Islam that would strip Christianity of any notion of the "trinity" or within either Judaism and Christianity, the notion that God had a son (Uzair / Jesus respectively).

Now, it's weird to say these 3 religions don't worship the same God, because each will obviously say there's only one, however, it really doesn't seem to be the case.

Also, Kssandra:

1) Prophet Mohammad never said Jesus was a small prophet. The Prophet Jesus is considered one of the five "most significant" prophets in Islam.

2) Neither within the words of the Prophet, nor the text of the Qur'an, is it ever stated that "Jesus got it wrong" --there is actually a narrative wthin the Qur'an with specific regard to this matter, where it is clear that Jesus' message was true, but the people misunderstood/tainted it.

3) Where does the Qur'an claim to be a rewriting of the Old/New Testament? The Qur'an states explicitly that the Prophets Moses and Jesus were sent only over the people of Israel (Bani Isra'eel), whereas the message of the Qur'an and the Prophet Mohammad is universal. Although certainly some similar aspects, strictly from the point of view of Islam, this is incorrect. If you compare the three texts, you'll notice there are abundant differences that deny the historicity of that claim.

4) Your lines on "Islam's origins" seem extremely flawed. Attributing the actions of any imperial force following the life of Prophet Mohammad to Islam is incorrect & fallacious. It would be like attributing any Crusade, or even present day "Christian" militarism straight back to Jesus. There is a clear discrepancy in the rule of the subsequent powers of various "Muslim" empires with the control of Prophet Mohammad over Medina/Mecca.

[Swampthing]

Yay, somebody that isn't me gets to get slammed in a religion thread now (oh, it is coming, don't worry, even though you're right, it will still come).

[Tyr]

Yay, somebody that isn't me gets to get slammed in a religion thread now (oh, it is coming, don't worry, even though you're right, it will still come).

Who me? Couldn't be! Then who!?


Yea I did it.

[Swampthing]

rofl

yeah you man lol. I have noticed that anyone who is educated in religion seems to be a target of people that need to take out aggression in the wrong place XD

[Eaglestrike]

In response to your #3 Tyr, Jesus' message was universal as well, He was just born a Jew so he got most of his exposure there. This is actually a fairly important aspect about the early Church and one of the big reasons why Jesus was disliked during His life on earth.

[Ksandra]

4) Your lines on "Islam's origins" seem extremely flawed. Attributing the actions of any imperial force following the life of Prophet Mohammad to Islam is incorrect & fallacious. It would be like attributing any Crusade, or even present day "Christian" militarism straight back to Jesus. There is a clear discrepancy in the rule of the subsequent powers of various "Muslim" empires with the control of Prophet Mohammad over Medina/Mecca.

I'll admit I haven't studied much of islam or the history of muhammad but I do know a few things from a college class and from my father. I remember from class about what I stated above (basically muhammad rewriting the testaments).

Any fault within my perseption is based on what my father told me, my English professor who had us read parts of the Koran in class (he was also Muslim) and some of my father's Egyptian friends here in the states who were also Muslim.

If they were all wrong I stand corrected. I wasn't bashing it I was trying to explain the history of the split between religions, no need to get your panties in a twist.

[Isiolia]

Eh, I just took it to be a point in the development/spread of Islam. Much as you could point to the Roman Catholic Church for Christianity (though it's debatable as to whether Catholicism should be considered an offshoot of Christianity more than a form of it).

[Tyr]

Any fault within my perseption is based on what my father told me, my English professor who had us read parts of the Koran in class (he was also Muslim) and some of my father's Egyptian friends here in the states who were also Muslim.

If they were all wrong I stand corrected. I wasn't bashing it I was trying to explain the history of the split between religions, no need to get your panties in a twist.

No worries, I didn't mean to bash or be rude, although my responses may have been blunt. I felt the need to clear up any misconceptions, or statements I thought to be such, again, apologies if it was overtly blunt.
We cool g?



In response to you, Eaglestrike, I don't mean to discredit any religion which claims universality, despite the fact that my beliefs may be otherwise. I'm saying, strictly from Islam's point of view, Jesus and Moses were Prophets sent for their "Qom," meaning tribe/people, but specifically, Bani Isra'eel (Bnai Israel in Hebrew, the Children of Israel / Sons of Israel).

[Eaglestrike]

Then your beliefs are quite different from my own. A major reason why Jesus was disliked, and eventually killed, was because He was a prophet for all people, Jews and Gentiles (non-Jews) as well as any social classification there was at the time. That's essential in Christian beliefs.

[divisortheory]

A quick question i need cleared up, jews, christians, and muslims belive in the same god right, or is this incorrect (yet common) information?

Since "god" is not a physical composition of matter existing in the universe under any of those religions, you have to ask yourself what it even means to be the "same".

[Swampthing]

A quick question i need cleared up, jews, christians, and muslims belive in the same god right, or is this incorrect (yet common) information?

Since "god" is not a physical composition of matter existing in the universe under any of those religions, you have to ask yourself what it even means to be the "same".

May I suggest, that to call a God "same," the God should be like in name, and personality?