Fire Bomblet

[Booki]

People are up and buying like crazy... I ain't doing the same mistake I did with buying a THF knife >:/

I'm waiting D:

[Tordall]

The point of my last few posts has been to say that there are 4 bombs that can drop the smoky flask. However, the drop rate from big bomb himself is actually really low.

I'm not sure where the influx of bomblets is coming from other than people panicing that it's going down in value and selling hoping to rebuy it later.

[Clynt]

There used to be about 5 that dropped the pop item that I knew of... the 2 that were ph's before on the bridge, 2 if you go up the bridge and go right and past some trolls, and one by the door with the mythril NM. Did they really change it so that all of them drop the pop item now?

[Khamsin]

The point of my last few posts has been to say that there are 4 bombs that can drop the smoky flask. However, the drop rate from big bomb himself is actually really low.

I'm not sure where the influx of bomblets is coming from other than people panicing that it's going down in value and selling hoping to rebuy it later.

Doesn't matter how crappy the drop rate is if you can fight it every 15 minutes.

[Tordall]

You're right, if they're all 'grower' types now then they're gonna get real cheap.

However, even the normal bombs in halvung have always been able to cast fireaga III, so just b/c they cast doesn't mean they can drop the smoky flask.

Has anyone actually gotten the drop from a bomb somewhere other than the 5 'grower' type bombs?

There are about 6 'normal' bombs within pulling range of the bigbomb spawn point.

[Tricen]

You are very much mistaken. Only the two on the bridge were like Big Bomb.

all the bombs in the zone are rdm/blm/war... but only the ones in the "big bomb area" are like pm5-3's snoll tzar.

Or they have a brutal earring :O

[Weeks]

Bomb Core is now down to 240k on Caitsith and has been there for a while. Big Bomb has a worse drop rate than Friar Rush, but is going to be fought, I don't know, maybe four times as often? If RMTs are willing to camp Bomb Core day-in and day-out to sell it for 240k, I'm sure they'll be willing to keep up a steady stream of Bomblets. I suspect it will stabilize around 500k at most. Great timing too, as I got around to buying mine like 4 days ago when it appeared to be rock-solid at 2 million.

[savageboy]

i couldnt tell u exactly what the point damage is but they grow when u do a certain amount of dmg whether it be weapon skill crit hit(sa/ta), magic but id say its somewhere in the neighborhood of 275 dmg.
the phs and big bomb alike will only do the normal weaponskills when in small form. special weapons skills (that all go through shadows ; hellstorm, vulcanic impact, and the other one provided you dont make it grow will only start when the mob is around 20%.
but if you make it grow they will do those weaponskills no matter where their life bar is and the bigger they grow the more dmg they will do =/

[Pergo]

big bomb and his "PH" use the same tp moves as snoll tzar from pm5-3... the names are just changed from ice-type to fire-type.

and i believe the bombs grow if you do more than like 150 dmg? i never fought ph with a 2handed weapon so that could be wrong, but i definetly think its damage controlled and varies around the level of the bomb

[RKenshin]

I spent around 3-4 hours there with a friend just two days ago.

The gilsellers there were popping Big Bomb non-stop every 15-25 minutes the entire time I was there, I was suspecting they found a way to dupe the key item or something because they weren't even killing many bombs. There was around 8-10 of them total so unless every one of them already had one, the amount of times they popped it vs number of bombs killed seemed extremely unlikely.

We also managed to get two Smoky Flasks in maybe 10-15 kills with TH4, and both NMs dropped a Fire Bomblet. There was like 8 on AH when I listed them, and I'm pretty sure at least 7 of them were from that gilseller group. Three of them had a bomblet in bazaar while camping, and then they get another three to drop while we were there. They actually bought my second one off AH to relist it at a higher price.

So yeah, looks like the big bomb market is going to crash reallly soon. I'm tempted to sell mine temporarily.

[jerkbox]

wow... might have to hit this up. doesn't look like anyone's found the secret on my server yet.

big bomb duo-able with thf/nin + rdm?

[Ichthyos]

yeah, just make sure not to accidentally do a big ws.

[Tordall]

Wow, either they really upped the drop rate on the bomblet or we were extremely unlucky.

As for the Thf/nin + Rdm/whm duo for bigbomb himself:

It might be possible, You might have problems with running out of mp before you manage to kill bigbomb. I'ld suggest that the thf have at least 1300 hp fully cured b/c hellstorm and vulcan rush from bigbomb can hit for upper 1100's.

Also, Bigbomb is completely unstunable, so be ready to eat fireaga III if you don't have someone there to disrupt it with silence (decently geared rdm/whm have problems sticking silence on him, so you'ld need either a sam or dark for gekko/guiltine or a pimped out rdm).

The 'smallest' group that we were able to do it safely with was Nin/drk (subjob for farming), Rdm/whm and Whm/blm.

[RKenshin]

The bare minimum for killing it I think would be a NIN + a RDM. I'm not sure if a THF could generate enough hate alone, especially since you can't do any kind of heavy WS damage.

My original attempts to kill it I had trouble holding hate on some fights as NIN/WAR because of all the curing that was necessary. It depends a lot on luck, because sometimes he just spams Firaga III and sometimes he uses it maybe once. But, since it's unstunnable and almost never (if ever?) gets interrupted from anything other than a lucky Paralyze proc, you'll eat heavy damage when it lands. Then he hits rather often as well, and when he connects it's a good 200+ damage a shot.

In addition he can be difficult to debuff, but a RDM with high-end merits/gear shouldn't have much trouble. Having experience with the fight helps as well, it's really a lot easier to kill now than it first was (currently have killed it about 53 times).

All together if THF+RDM was the only way to go for you, I'd recommend the RDM subbing NIN and praying that none of the bombs use Heat Wave (20 or so HP/tick burn). They only use that TP attack after growing 2-3 times, so as long as none of them use a TP attack while grown you should be ok.

[Khamsin]

Will Big Bomb self-destruct? Could a team of SMNs just let avatars poke away at it until it eventually grows big enough and self-destructs? Or even with a melee build, intentionally make it big and blow up.

[Tordall]

Bigbomb's Heatwave is more like 50 hp/tic. Think it gives -59 int or something.

I don't think it would be possible to kill bigbomb without erase. You could farm pop-items without erase but you'ld have to be ready to spam cure people and waste time. You'ld also have to have someone with erase show up for the bigbomb fight or have someone go back and change subjobs.

A fire resist build + 120 fire resist from a good whm's barfira will make a huge difference in hellstorm & vulcan rush. By the end of our marathon camping of bigbomb we got those TP moves down to about 100 damage instead of the ussual 1200 damage (from bigbomb, not the grower bombs, those are about half that damage).

For the run through truesight trolls part, I'ld suggest either getting sneaking boots, or having a nin (at night) train the whole zone then 'splode' at camp.

Never had bigbomb even try to self-destruct. Only 2 of the 'grower bombs' even tried to self destruct in 27 hours or so of camping.

[Ichthyos]

it's been a long time for me, but doesn't it only use heat wave if it's grown at least once? (i might be wrong.)

[RKenshin]

It doesn't, however the PHs can self-destruct.

I don't think an avatar would last more than 30 seconds against a small Big Bomb, much less a large one. If anything I think you'd have to slowly melee it down with avatars without using BPs. I'm not sure what hitting a PC for 200-400 damage a hit would translate to for avatars but I'm pretty sure it'd be way too hard for them to survive long.

EDIT

it's been a long time for me, but doesn't it only use heat wave if it's grown at least once? (i might be wrong.)

Yes, I said that in my post although I guess it wasn't clear?

[-Zer0-]

The bare minimum for killing it I think would be a NIN + a RDM. I'm not sure if a THF could generate enough hate alone, especially since you can't do any kind of heavy WS damage.

My original attempts to kill it I had trouble holding hate on some fights as NIN/WAR because of all the curing that was necessary. It depends a lot on luck, because sometimes he just spams Firaga III and sometimes he uses it maybe once. But, since it's unstunnable and almost never (if ever?) gets interrupted from anything other than a lucky Paralyze proc, you'll eat heavy damage when it lands. Then he hits rather often as well, and when he connects it's a good 200+ damage a shot.

In addition he can be difficult to debuff, but a RDM with high-end merits/gear shouldn't have much trouble. Having experience with the fight helps as well, it's really a lot easier to kill now than it first was (currently have killed it about 53 times).

All together if THF+RDM was the only way to go for you, I'd recommend the RDM subbing NIN and praying that none of the bombs use Heat Wave (20 or so HP/tick burn). They only use that TP attack after growing 2-3 times, so as long as none of them use a TP attack while grown you should be ok.

/nod, it can be duoed by a Nin and Rdm or Rdm and Blm. I usually sub Thf when I went to duo. As far as debuffing goes, with 310 Ninjutsu, landing debuffs was around 50/50. If you've got a good Rdm by your side who knows what they're doing, managing to keep BB debuffed shouldn't be too hard, and at some points they can even keep him silenced. Para II helps considerably.

The theories of making the bombs grow is still out there. There were times I'd hit 5-900 Jins on BB or his PHs and they wouldn't grow once, where as other cases I'd hit 150-300 and they grow once or twice immediately after. Whatever the case is, a lot of us stopped caring and had put experimenting aside~

edit: went and tried the Friar Lanterns at th first entrance to Halvung for about 2 hours with no drops yet, continuing later

[jerkbox]

thanks for the tips. i do have access to rdm + blm, both with very good skill gear (af2 hats on both, + nashira legs on rdm). how does that fight go? big bomb sleep/bind/gravity-able?