Fire Bomblet

[-Zer0-]

Both sub Nin and it's basically kiting up and down the bridge while nuking it. BB can be bound and grav'ed.

[Kaylia]

thanks for the tips. i do have access to rdm + blm, both with very good skill gear (af2 hats on both, + nashira legs on rdm). how does that fight go? big bomb sleep/bind/gravity-able?

I used to duo it with a rdm, and it wasn't that easy. Grav lands, but it build resist, bind also work. Sleep/stun doesn't work. It double attack more often than not, and hit for 450dmg when it's big.

To duo it, I was going as blm/nin and spamming nuke. Rdm helped with nuke, gravity, and refresh. I'm not sure if there was a better strategy, because it was kinda rough. Kite it down the ramp to outrun spell (make sure to clear the bomb before popping it)

[Clynt]

When me and a friend used to camp big bomb a lot of times we'd go there and he wold just be up. Which was really weird because he was a lottery pop. The thing was though, when he was up, he was always in his biggest form. It wasn't from someone wiping and leaving him up because we saw it a lot. Anyways, we duo'd it in biggest form thf+rdm a ton of times, but we wiped sometimes getting unlucky with firaga 3 > hellstorm etc. As for duoing thf+rdm without WSing... I don't know if a thf could hold hate lol. But as someone else suggested, the rdm could sub nin because you don't need erase for heat wave since he doesn't do it in his smallest form.

[Ichthyos]

EDIT

it's been a long time for me, but doesn't it only use heat wave if it's grown at least once? (i might be wrong.)

Yes, I said that in my post although I guess it wasn't clear?

sorry, my eyes skipped over your post and i was replying to tordall claiming it wasn't possible to kill big bomb without erase. carry on!

edit!

The thing was though, when he was up, he was always in his biggest form. It wasn't from someone wiping and leaving him up because we saw it a lot.

you'd be surprised actually. people probably camped it for a while, fought it and wiped, then ended up not going back because they were tired.

[Tordall]

EDIT

it's been a long time for me, but doesn't it only use heat wave if it's grown at least once? (i might be wrong.)

Yes, I said that in my post although I guess it wasn't clear?

sorry, my eyes skipped over your post and i was replying to tordall claiming it wasn't possible to kill big bomb without erase. carry on!

Hey, he always grew very fast for me. I'm really surprised that people manage to fight it without causing him to grow. Then again I always went for a 'max crit' build when I was farming him b/c I was in halvung.

If it's hitting for more than X-damage that makes it grow, idk, but it's entirely possible that I was correlating crit hits with making him grow b/c that's when I broke the X-damage mark.

Even letting him grow, it's not a hard fight with 3 people that know what they're doing. Rdm/whm, Whm/blm, and Nin/drk.

I'm just as interested in the strategies that don't involve 'erase or die' as everyone else.

[RKenshin]

Yeah I can vouch for what Ichthyos said.

Back when it was untouched and I first started camping it, I witnessed groups wipe to it alllll the time. People would come to camp it and if they won pull, first thing they'd do is make it grow with a nuke or WS. Before even getting it half-way they'd usually be dead, because big big Big Bomb = hits twice as hard, magic does twice as much damage, resist enfeebles more often, and has a lot more unfriendly TP attacks. Some groups can handle it if you know what to expect and have some experience, but nearly all of them couldn't.

Most of the time it wasn't just two people either; competition would normally consist of 4-8 people... And they'd still wipe. I think I've seen at least 15 wipes, not counting gilsellers wiping another 5 times on their own. Around half of those wipes even included decked out HNM LS leaders/members from competing linkshells on my server, and in the end those ended up being my biggest competition once they figured out how to kill it.

I also wiped on my first attempt and left it up at full size for 2-3 days before killing it. No one touched it in all that time. If I never spent any time camping it I'd imagine that'd happen a lot more often on my server, so it's no shock it happened on another.

[Tordall]

Considering I always fought it in 'big mode,' since apparently I was too clueless to figure out how to prevent it from growing:

People wipe to it in big mode in groups larger than 4? It wasn't a hard fight with 3 people, 4 people was our 'safe' number.

That's almost like wiping to Xoltol after ganking it from some beastmasters.

[RKenshin]

Easily.

All it takes is the tank to die, and that can happen almost as fast as it can on Tiamat under 20% (if that helps to paint a picture). Around 4 hits can take down a normal tank from full HP, not factoring in critical hits and/or double attacks. So a tank can get dropped in seconds... Add in TP attacks/magic spells that do 500-1100, and all it takes is 1-2 hits. And that's only if they're full HP.

Same applies for the mages if the tank can't hold hate. They can be dropped just as fast. After you're out of a tank or out of healing, if you're not killing it fast then you're screwed.

How you go about fighting it greatly effects the odds of the above happening of course. Considering you're a THF and most likely had a good deal of evasion and support in that combination, you were probably fine. But ironically all the NIN tanks I saw would do their little "ima tank but a DD 2" skit with haubs and etc, barely evading and hitting recast timers, and dieing. RDMs wouldn't debuff, NINs wouldn't evade, WHMs wouldn't barfira, it was just a whole bunch of stupid.

[Clynt]

I'm talking every day for 2 weeks+...

Edit: Also, I'm 99% sure NO ONE else was camping it at the time(after rmt got banned).

[Pergo]

thf and rdm/whm can definetly duo it. my two friends used to do it alot, they wiped a few times, but it can be done. hate shouldn't be too too much of a problem

[evilpaul]

I don't think an avatar would last more than 30 seconds against a small Big Bomb, much less a large one. If anything I think you'd have to slowly melee it down with avatars without using BPs. I'm not sure what hitting a PC for 200-400 damage a hit would translate to for avatars but I'm pretty sure it'd be way too hard for them to survive long.

Couldn't a bunch of SMNs basically do the Fenrir Prime strategy on it? (Minus the Spinning Dives if spike damage is what causes it to grow.) The Fire-based TP moves would be resisted heavily by Levi/Ifrit.

For the run through truesight trolls part, I'ld suggest either getting sneaking boots, or having a nin (at night) train the whole zone then 'splode' at camp.

What do Sneaking Boots do, btw?

I'm going to just wait for Fire Bomblet to hit 300-500k and get one in a week or two. Seeing it go from 2mil -> 700k in two days is a good start. 8)

[Ashira]

I know a few people who've duo'd it as NIN and BRD too, though it was longish.. and close calls and I think at least one wipe doing so.

[Lyramion]

I solod Smokey Flasks on NIN/WHM. I just ate Firegas with my Tiamat Firegear.

Was funny having 12 RMT camp the 2 PHs while I had the 2 back pops for myself. Trio the Bigbomb with NIN THF RDM - too bad price gonna crash so hard now.

[Projekt.Ein]

!!Kinda off topic!!


>.> Anyone besides me see this as a crappy/ep33n* peice of equipment(in general)?

Maybe it's because I don't have the money to buy one, and I've got Weapon merits and Acc comin' out my ass, but I don't see a need for this +6 Acc... or atleast I haven't come upon a need to use it.

* - Reason why I say epeen is because, it used to be worth alot, up in the 8-4M range I believe, and a JP DRK around Pandemonium uses Relic Scythe(+20Acc) Adaberk, Ace's Helm, Toraedors, Homam(hands, feet, legs), Merits(not sure how many, but I'm sure he has em'), and Fire Bomblet.
I don't even have that much Acc on my DRK (take away the Homam Legs, Bomblet, Adaberk, Scythe and Ace's Helm lol) and I parse ~88%-90% Acc in Thickets with meat.

-Ends his meaningless post before he gets burnt to a cinder and lurks moar-

[Aesctaa]

On Bismarck it plummeted to like 800k a week or two ago..

now only 2 in stock and its back up to 1.5mil solid. wtf D:

[Kyreth]

Hmm. Would the old Ceremonial Dagger/Enspell combo work for keeping Big Bomb from growing and raping an RDM/NIN?

After all, you're going for a minimal TP-gain option there if it's 0-damage hits and Enspell damage only, and it's got MP to Energy Drain right?

[Melena]

On Bismarck it plummeted to like 800k a week or two ago..

now only 2 in stock and its back up to 1.5mil solid. wtf D:

don't remind me, i'm kicking myself for not buying it at that time. I'm hoping price will crash again though.

[Sci]

Hmm. Would the old Ceremonial Dagger/Enspell combo work for keeping Big Bomb from growing and raping an RDM/NIN?

After all, you're going for a minimal TP-gain option there if it's 0-damage hits and Enspell damage only, and it's got MP to Energy Drain right?

Yeah, Avesta already did it months back. It stayed small until the very end when he started nuking to finish it off.

And for me personally, Bomb Core > Fire Bomblet. Just because my merits are spread across jobs and I really can't eat meat that well in merits (well on NIN at least). And so if I'm using Sushi, I don't really need to sacrifice 6 atk for 6 acc in my current build. The only time I'd probably want it would be for THF mamools. Far too situational to be worth having.

[Ichthyos]

>.> Anyone besides me see this as a crappy/ep33n* peice of equipment(in general)?

Well, you use an A+ weapon. It's great for THF, because all else equal a THF would be missing 7 acc. I parsed like 82-85% without it, so there was still some room for improvement.

[Zilong]

So...I'm getting mixed signal here...is the PH every friar lanterns in halvung? Or just the 4 bombs near the ???