VA Tech Shootings: 32 + 1 Dead (Mourning Thread)

[DarktaruFM]

There isn't just a single mindset of a criminal. Criminals do one of two things, act on impulse, or plan and plot. In the VT case, the crime was very obviously a pre-mediatated attack that was going to kill many many people whether it was with a gun or not. Gun was the most easily accessible.

What the bloody hell are you talking about? This was an international student who came recently to the USA (not even a year) and he went on what has been repeatedly called a "rampage". Random-ass Rampages aren't planned... they aren't pre-meditated, they're random shit so quit trying to say that the availability of guns was the cause of this. Criminals will get their hands on weapons no matter where they are, no matter if you're in Mexico, Canada, or ANY European country (Sweden and Ireland included don't kid yourselves).

wearing a bulleptproof vest, shoot people in one side of the campus then move to the opposite side to continue and choosing targets cannot be considered as a rampage.. all his actions point to cold-blooded premeditated thinking of his actions. This guy was concious of what hes doing.

If he woulve gone on a true rampage he would've just grab the gun and shoot anything that was near him. Imo the media is just using that word innapropriately.

I've seen no reports of him wearing a vest. No reports of any choice in targets and in fact the reports all point to it being random shit. The person in the dorm shootings was supposedly in custody which is partly why they didn't lock down the campus. Later the Engineering building gets hit and he runs into one school classroom and starts shooting in there, once that room was done he reportedly shot pretty much anything else that he came in contact with.

Basically you're making stuff up in a debate.

this was reported previously. but yes, theres no point in debating this till the full information is disclosed.

[divisortheory]

Go check Fox News and read the story they say almost exactly that. It was an international student. Kind of narrows down the possibles for the students if they knew who the Chinese exchange students were and which one is missing. Not going to do much by trying to keep it secret. I give it a day before the name is released either through rumors or officially.

And LOL that I come back to this thread after 5 hours and see people still arguing over gun control.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you typed that without thinking carefully about what you were typing. But just in case, I want to make sure you understand that Asia consists of more countries than just China.

Also just because Fox news reports it doesn't make it a fact. The Fox news article, now that I finally read it, says the police have "potentially identified" a suspect as someone who may have come here on a student visa, but they are waiting to release an official statement because they want to be sure.

[Hapernack]

This thread is now about apes.

http://www.devilducky.com/media/38544/

[Osede]

Go check Fox News and read the story they say almost exactly that. It was an international student. Kind of narrows down the possibles for the students if they knew who the Chinese exchange students were and which one is missing. Not going to do much by trying to keep it secret. I give it a day before the name is released either through rumors or officially.

And LOL that I come back to this thread after 5 hours and see people still arguing over gun control.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you typed that without thinking carefully about what you were typing. But just in case, I want to make sure you understand that Asia consists of more countries than just China.

Also just because Fox news reports it doesn't make it a fact. The Fox news article, now that I finally read it, says the police have "potentially identified" a suspect as someone who may have come here on a student visa, but they are waiting to release an official statement because they want to be sure.

the only doubt of mine is how an alien citizen able to obtain guns legally? Or it just we can buy guns freely in virgina compare to other places?

i thought to buy a gun you must be a US citizen

[Ichthyos]

Go check Fox News and read the story they say almost exactly that. It was an international student. Kind of narrows down the possibles for the students if they knew who the Chinese exchange students were and which one is missing. Not going to do much by trying to keep it secret. I give it a day before the name is released either through rumors or officially.

Fox News is citing the Chicago Sun-Times, which in turn is reporting...

Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

So it's not confirmed yet. Also, "international students" and "exchange students" refer to different groups of people--exchange students are visiting ones just for a semester or a year, but international students are enrolled for a degree.

Also, I think some people who saw the shooter wearing a vest may have assumed it was bulletproof, but CNN is reporting that it was an ammunition vest.

[Deuce]

Go check Fox News and read the story they say almost exactly that. It was an international student. Kind of narrows down the possibles for the students if they knew who the Chinese exchange students were and which one is missing. Not going to do much by trying to keep it secret. I give it a day before the name is released either through rumors or officially.

And LOL that I come back to this thread after 5 hours and see people still arguing over gun control.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you typed that without thinking carefully about what you were typing. But just in case, I want to make sure you understand that Asia consists of more countries than just China.

Also just because Fox news reports it doesn't make it a fact. The Fox news article, now that I finally read it, says the police have "potentially identified" a suspect as someone who may have come here on a student visa, but they are waiting to release an official statement because they want to be sure.

Hmm well if you read the Fox News article it specifically said an exchange student from China. So please stfu. Trust me I'm smart enough to know the difference between China and the rest of Asia. Next time now your facts before you try to make someone else look like an idiot.

BTW here's the damn article http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266463,00.html

Edit: I admit that it is just info from Fox and not pure fact, but I guess my point was that some of the students will probably be able to determine who the gunman may have been. Considering I'm sure the guy had some friends on campus.

[divisortheory]

Well, nobody said he obtained the guns legally. Time will tell.

[GRT]

internet rumor so far on the shooter's motive (for those of you who haven't seen this)

I have a friend who's daughter goes to VT and was in the engineering building when the shooting occured. She was on a different floor, thankfully.

She told her dad it was an Asian kid. He was upset that his girlfriend had been cheating on him with some guy who supposedly was in the engineering building. He didn't know who, so he starting shooting people. Supposedly, the first dorm he went to was where she was staying. From what I heard, he killed her, then went to the engineering building.

He had a bullet proof vest and a load of ammo. He was carrying two 9mm handguns and this is what he used.

He also chained some of the exit doors.

adding more to the rumor: there's something strange about this suicide. according to certain sources, the asian found in the norris building holding the gun apparently was shot from behind the neck, adding to the fact that he wore a bulletproof vest to protect himself to begin with, many VT students believe that the dead asian is a dummy bait and the real shooter has already escaped

[Deuce]

internet rumor so far on the shooter's motive (for those of you who haven't seen this)

I have a friend who's daughter goes to VT and was in the engineering building when the shooting occured. She was on a different floor, thankfully.

She told her dad it was an Asian kid. He was upset that his girlfriend had been cheating on him with some guy who supposedly was in the engineering building. He didn't know who, so he starting shooting people. Supposedly, the first dorm he went to was where she was staying. From what I heard, he killed her, then went to the engineering building.

He had a bullet proof vest and a load of ammo. He was carrying two 9mm handguns and this is what he used.

He also chained some of the exit doors.

adding more to the rumor: there's something strange about this suicide. according to certain sources, the asian found in the norris building holding the gun apparently was shot from behind the neck, adding to the fact that he wore a bulletproof vest to protect himself to begin with, many VT students believe that the dead asian is a dummy bait and the real shooter has already escaped

Escaping a crime scene w/ literally hundreds of law enforcement officers crawling the area would be a little difficult. Also, it's not impossible to shoot yourself in the back of the head with a pistol. So I'd have to conclude that this is just pure rumor and not even remotely true. There'd be a huge manhunt if the actual shooter escaped.

[finale23]

internet rumor so far on the shooter's motive (for those of you who haven't seen this)

I have a friend who's daughter goes to VT and was in the engineering building when the shooting occured. She was on a different floor, thankfully.

She told her dad it was an Asian kid. He was upset that his girlfriend had been cheating on him with some guy who supposedly was in the engineering building. He didn't know who, so he starting shooting people. Supposedly, the first dorm he went to was where she was staying. From what I heard, he killed her, then went to the engineering building.

He had a bullet proof vest and a load of ammo. He was carrying two 9mm handguns and this is what he used.

He also chained some of the exit doors.

adding more to the rumor: there's something strange about this suicide. according to certain sources, the asian found in the norris building holding the gun apparently was shot from behind the neck, adding to the fact that he wore a bulletproof vest to protect himself to begin with, many VT students believe that the dead asian is a dummy bait and the real shooter has already escaped

Escaping a crime scene w/ literally hundreds of law enforcement officers crawling the area would be a little difficult. Also, it's not impossible to shoot yourself in the back of the head with a pistol. So I'd have to conclude that this is just pure rumor and not even remotely true. There'd be a huge manhunt if the actual shooter escaped.

there are about 20 survivors, so we will find out soon enough if that's a dummy or not.

[Deuce]

internet rumor so far on the shooter's motive (for those of you who haven't seen this)

I have a friend who's daughter goes to VT and was in the engineering building when the shooting occured. She was on a different floor, thankfully.

She told her dad it was an Asian kid. He was upset that his girlfriend had been cheating on him with some guy who supposedly was in the engineering building. He didn't know who, so he starting shooting people. Supposedly, the first dorm he went to was where she was staying. From what I heard, he killed her, then went to the engineering building.

He had a bullet proof vest and a load of ammo. He was carrying two 9mm handguns and this is what he used.

He also chained some of the exit doors.

adding more to the rumor: there's something strange about this suicide. according to certain sources, the asian found in the norris building holding the gun apparently was shot from behind the neck, adding to the fact that he wore a bulletproof vest to protect himself to begin with, many VT students believe that the dead asian is a dummy bait and the real shooter has already escaped

Escaping a crime scene w/ literally hundreds of law enforcement officers crawling the area would be a little difficult. Also, it's not impossible to shoot yourself in the back of the head with a pistol. So I'd have to conclude that this is just pure rumor and not even remotely true. There'd be a huge manhunt if the actual shooter escaped.

there are about 20 survivors, so we will find out soon enough if that's a dummy or not.

Speaking of survivors. Have they released much info on how badly injured those people are?

[Norelco]

internet rumor so far on the shooter's motive (for those of you who haven't seen this)

I have a friend who's daughter goes to VT and was in the engineering building when the shooting occured. She was on a different floor, thankfully.

She told her dad it was an Asian kid. He was upset that his girlfriend had been cheating on him with some guy who supposedly was in the engineering building. He didn't know who, so he starting shooting people. Supposedly, the first dorm he went to was where she was staying. From what I heard, he killed her, then went to the engineering building.

He had a bullet proof vest and a load of ammo. He was carrying two 9mm handguns and this is what he used.

He also chained some of the exit doors.

adding more to the rumor: there's something strange about this suicide. according to certain sources, the asian found in the norris building holding the gun apparently was shot from behind the neck, adding to the fact that he wore a bulletproof vest to protect himself to begin with, many VT students believe that the dead asian is a dummy bait and the real shooter has already escaped

Dude!!! I was actually think about that.

[GRT]

internet rumor so far on the shooter's motive (for those of you who haven't seen this)

I have a friend who's daughter goes to VT and was in the engineering building when the shooting occured. She was on a different floor, thankfully.

She told her dad it was an Asian kid. He was upset that his girlfriend had been cheating on him with some guy who supposedly was in the engineering building. He didn't know who, so he starting shooting people. Supposedly, the first dorm he went to was where she was staying. From what I heard, he killed her, then went to the engineering building.

He had a bullet proof vest and a load of ammo. He was carrying two 9mm handguns and this is what he used.

He also chained some of the exit doors.

adding more to the rumor: there's something strange about this suicide. according to certain sources, the asian found in the norris building holding the gun apparently was shot from behind the neck, adding to the fact that he wore a bulletproof vest to protect himself to begin with, many VT students believe that the dead asian is a dummy bait and the real shooter has already escaped

Escaping a crime scene w/ literally hundreds of law enforcement officers crawling the area would be a little difficult. Also, it's not impossible to shoot yourself in the back of the head with a pistol. So I'd have to conclude that this is just pure rumor and not even remotely true. There'd be a huge manhunt if the actual shooter escaped.

well yah, just rumors running around the internet, some of them could be true, most of them probably not... i just picked out the most interesting two

also about the shooter, Geraldo on fox was talking about the face book pictures and i might have seen the ones he saw that are also being passed around the net, not sure if i should post them though since nothing's confirmed... anybody else seen em?

[Charla]

Killing more than 10 people without dying counts as a rampage. He also scored a dominating at 15 kills, unstoppable at 20 kills, God like at 25 kills, etc

epic at 30?

god, hes probably the best irl MK player ever

Naw, good players fight live opponents that can shoot back.

This guy was probably a spawn camper or one of those people that play UT2004 demo all day long against the easy mode bots.

Or someone that plays PvE only MMOs AMIRITE?
(sorry)

Speaking of which, anyone have a link to what Jack Thompson has to say about it?

[Fusional]

To sum it up: Yea, I'm with your attitude - but stop saying that banning guns would have stopped this. He'd have probably blown the building up.

PS I bet you are part of the crowd trying to legalize marijuana. Hypocrite :wink:

what's this, two straw men in a single reply?!

quote anywhere that i said banning guns is the answer, and assuming i want legalized pot after assuming i'm all for banning guns, apparently under the assumption that i'm a bedwetting liberal, is strike three.

(strike one was the assumption of me being liberal which the other two unfounded assumptions are obviously based upon)

wuts "Moderate" guise?! i can only understand one extreme or the other! D;

Because that's the case in every country with stricter weapon laws?

It might not help much short-term in the USA but the problem isn't going to fix itself.

totally agree with you.

the problem is that people as always only look at the short-term. "but if we immediately take all guns away, immediately criminals will still get them and we're fucked!"

i mean honestly, how many *real* problems in the world are solved that cut&dry? it can take decades or even centuries to right certain wrongs. and the american culture obviously has grown into a gun-dependence, so it's a problem that would not be solved in any short amount of time.

but like you said, it isn't going to just go away. something needs to be done, even if that something is going to take a while to finally fix what's broken.

i'm not exactly for banning all guns, but if that's the route we went.. THIS generation would cry foul, but every subsequent generation growing up in a world where guns were banned would grow to not depend on them, and thus, they probably wouldn't even consider them in terms of either self-defense or attacking another person.

that's the main thing we can learn from japan. after we dropped those bombs on them and the war was over, we took from them anything they could use to ever rise up against us. generations later, their crime rate is one of the world's lowest.

remember, this was one of THE most warlike nations before WW2. they had always been a premiere military force in history. then guns are banned and a few years down the road they're as docile as manatees.

(aside from the whole suicide epidemic, but that's another matter entirely)

interestingly enough, japan is also among the world's most Godless countries, and the USA is among the world's most religious countries. given that religious wars have been going on for many centuries...

... coincidence? o.O

[ciechi]

i kind of skipped to page 10 after seeing the argument between gun control and how america blows....

Did someone already post this guys facebook profile? my brother showed me his profile (if its really him) and he looks like a psycho.

[Tonko]

Do not post any gun control / 2nd amendment or anything else relating to guns in this topic. There is another place for that in this thread so do NOT cloud this thread up with it any further. It will be deleted, and account action will be taken if you persist.

Details on the shooting, theoretical debate about motivations, and discussion about tactics are all allowed here.

[Ichthyos]

Did someone already post this guys facebook profile? my brother showed me his profile (if its really him) and he looks like a psycho.

if you're talking about Wayne Chiang, he's not the guy: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/200 ... clear.html

[GRT]

well since he supposedly cleared his name then i won't post his pictures or website lol

but to follow up on that earlier rumor i posted, supposedly the asian suspect found dead and holding the weapons also had his face ruined somehow, or at least disfigured enough to make it very difficult to ID... now is that something that happens in a suicide?

again, just on this piece of rumor alone, it seems almost as if the real shooter killed him, put the weapons/vest on him, messed up his face and took his wallet to delay the ID so he can get away

[Ichthyos]

the face of the suspect was disfigured because the gun was discharged into the back of his head, if i understand correctly.