VA Tech Shootings: 32 + 1 Dead (Mourning Thread)

[Elmer the Pointy]

Most people dont even care anymore about who is dying over there. People hear about another bomb going off and they just shrug.

And apparently other people (not you) just pull up the death toll to quote it to others and prove their a better person for knowing it. Do they write to families of the deceased? Do they attend funerals? No, they sit behind their fucking screens and devalue as many lives as possible. Why? Because they're just that damn awesome. No tragedy can't affect them! They're not weak like those little humans that feel sadness and fear. 33 dead? Fuck that! Some giant balloon blew up in Europre or some shit, and that had to have been brutal!
Hey, you can't mourn if you didn't know anyone that died. Oh, you did know someone? Well, tough shit because my internet pride is more important than saying "I'm sorry". I'm just that level-headed and mature, even though my avatar is SSJ Pikachu, a conglomoration so gay it would make Andy Dick's head explode.
If you're upset about V-Tech now there's no way you can be upset about other things. I know I can only focus on one thing at a time when I forget my medication. I like Cinnamon Toast Crunch. So how can you honor all the death and sadness you don't know about? Obviously start with Iraq because it's a big number. No wait! Starving people in Africa! Which country? I dunno... Africa, it's all starving. No wait! Homeless people in America, that's really sad. Dammit, it's so hard to find the most appopriate situation to direct my furrowed brow at. Oh well, I'll just go rip stats for all of them of Wikipedia for easy reference.
Well, have fun with your grief counselors, I'm gonna go camp Fafnir.

[ghostfaced]

My friend pointed this out to me, it seems to be a recurring trend that most people that do these kind of things are the shut outs of the main clique. Wether they really are or they just feel that way due to self loathing attitudes I think not only should we look at how to find these people before they snap, we should also take a good look at ourselves as well. Pretty much everyone has a breaking point somewhere, this guy had a low one coupled with some serious mental issues and he snapped.

from what the media says (yes i take it with a grain of salt) it sounded like people were trying to befriend him and talk to him and get him help from what it sounded like to me. I forget what program it was but on MSNBC they interviewed one of his roomates (it was called somethin else forget what) and said that they were always trying to talk to him or just say hey whats up how are you or whatever but he always just responded with a one word type of response it sounded like he just wanted to be by himself, one of the articles i read said he would always sit by himself if it was possible during classes.... when i first heard about the VT shootings the first thing i did was check Facebook just to double check if i knew anyone from VT. It IS a tragedy and to downplay it is fuckin rediculous so please stop.

[Saga]

Most people dont even care anymore about who is dying over there. People hear about another bomb going off and they just shrug.

I'm just that level-headed and mature, even though my avatar is SSJ Pikachu, a conglomoration so gay it would make Andy Dick's head explode.

Rofl

[Creeps]

Most people dont even care anymore about who is dying over there. People hear about another bomb going off and they just shrug.

And apparently other people (not you) just pull up the death toll to quote it to others and prove their a better person for knowing it. Do they write to families of the deceased? Do they attend funerals? No, they sit behind their fucking screens and devalue as many lives as possible. Why? Because they're just that damn awesome. No tragedy can't affect them! They're not weak like those little humans that feel sadness and fear. 33 dead? Fuck that! Some giant balloon blew up in Europre or some shit, and that had to have been brutal!
Hey, you can't mourn if you didn't know anyone that died. Oh, you did know someone? Well, tough shit because my internet pride is more important than saying "I'm sorry". I'm just that level-headed and mature, even though my avatar is SSJ Pikachu, a conglomoration so gay it would make Andy Dick's head explode.
If you're upset about V-Tech now there's no way you can be upset about other things. I know I can only focus on one thing at a time when I forget my medication. I like Cinnamon Toast Crunch. So how can you honor all the death and sadness you don't know about? Obviously start with Iraq because it's a big number. No wait! Starving people in Africa! Which country? I dunno... Africa, it's all starving. No wait! Homeless people in America, that's really sad. Dammit, it's so hard to find the most appopriate situation to direct my furrowed brow at. Oh well, I'll just go rip stats for all of them of Wikipedia for easy reference.
Well, have fun with your grief counselors, I'm gonna go camp Fafnir.

Oh God, so owned.

[Xiona]

wow way to miss the context of the deaths.

people dying in a war that they volunteered to serve in is much different than being the victims of a lone psycho. not that either are mourned less or treated worse, but innocent lives taken out of no where deserve their own attention.

the fact that youre trying to down play 32 senseless deaths which HAVE NO MEANING is rediculous. being callous towards those who are grieving has got to be one of the most self centered moves ive seen. drawing attention from a tragedy by saying things that serve no inherant good to say, but just saying them to fester the wounds of the grieving.

you honestly have nothing good to contribute so stop. remember some day youre actually going to "feel" about something and possibly greave... one can only hope theres a tool acting like you in the back trying to downplay your loss.

[arlania]

My friend pointed this out to me, it seems to be a recurring trend that most people that do these kind of things are the shut outs of the main clique. Wether they really are or they just feel that way due to self loathing attitudes I think not only should we look at how to find these people before they snap, we should also take a good look at ourselves as well. Pretty much everyone has a breaking point somewhere, this guy had a low one coupled with some serious mental issues and he snapped.

from what the media says (yes i take it with a grain of salt) it sounded like people were trying to befriend him and talk to him and get him help from what it sounded like to me. I forget what program it was but on MSNBC they interviewed one of his roomates (it was called somethin else forget what) and said that they were always trying to talk to him or just say hey whats up how are you or whatever but he always just responded with a one word type of response it sounded like he just wanted to be by himself, one of the articles i read said he would always sit by himself if it was possible during classes.... when i first heard about the VT shootings the first thing i did was check Facebook just to double check if i knew anyone from VT. It IS a tragedy and to downplay it is fuckin rediculous so please stop.

Yeah but who really knows how they tried to befriend this kid. I read the article too and apparently he was just extremely isolated. A kid like that doesnt want sympathy from people, which is what I felt the other students were giving him. Kind of like "Hi, im going to talk to you crazy kid. Please dont shoot us up". Im not downplaying anything here. It was a horrible event, but you need to look to the future and help prevent this type of thing happening. You think the deceased want everyone to sit around and feel bad? If I was killed in a shooting I sure as hell would want it to never happen to anyone ever again. Before you call me heartless or whatever I know the pain of unexpected loss very well after losing my father, who was only 44, a week ago.

[ghostfaced]

that tragedy thing was more geared twoards the other people not you shoulda pressed enter but i r lazy

[Osede]

wow way to miss the context of the deaths.

people dying in a war that they volunteered to serve in is much different than being the victims of a lone psycho. not that either are mourned less or treated worse, but innocent lives taken out of no where deserve their own attention.

the fact that youre trying to down play 32 senseless deaths which HAVE NO MEANING is rediculous. being callous towards those who are grieving has got to be one of the most self centered moves ive seen. drawing attention from a tragedy by saying things that serve no inherant good to say, but just saying them to fester the wounds of the grieving.

you honestly have nothing good to contribute so stop. remember some day youre actually going to "feel" about something and possibly greave... one can only hope theres a tool acting like you in the back trying to downplay your loss.

war = expect to have life lost. Unless you were watching too much gundam seed destiny... no life lost in war = never happened.

but shooting in VT, it the senario that it shouldn't be happen and no one will expect at all. This case just like 9-11 happening where no body would expect it will happened.

unless you have the experience of somebody suddenly getting shot/death in front of you or similar situation, you won't able to know how ppl in VT feeling right now (families pass away from illness does not count, since it would been expect there might a chance to happened). But when some one you close to suddenly died like that, or something similar, you would be able to get back up so quickly. At least, it would took very long time than you expect to getting recover.

i know it, one of my best friend suddenly death before without any sign. It took me about a week to accept his death and a month to recover from it.


note: i'm no reply to the quote thought, just add some more stuff...

[Remyo]

i feel bad for the shooter. i'm sure the wide majority of you dont have an inkling of the kind of pain he felt day in and day out. the people that died lived without fear up until that day, but the shooter likely felt incredible pain and isolation for a large part, if not all, of his life.

mourning for those who died doesnt solve the problem, and im sure that those really mourning wont reach out to mr./ms. quiet the next time they see them. there wont be any more love extended to the quiet people out there, and isnt that really the cause? life is a very different place if you, day in and day out, feel left out, unloved, unnoticed. life is so different, so harshly different, that you can kill 32 people, then kill yourself.

and to the people hating on syn, understand that (s)he's just trying to get things going again by putting the incident in perspective. there are people in this world that will stand still, and there are people in this world that will get you walking again (sappy ). dont hate

I think his lonerness was his own cause. I've been reading several reports of people saying they would try and speak with him and he wouldn't return the conversation. Now I don't know if that's true but there have been many interviews with people talking about the same thing. Also, I don't think anyone is alone because other ppl shun them, there are plenty of groups that will gladly accept them, just need to get over themselves and put forth their own effort to get to know other people.


and on the topic of downing people for mourning the deaths of these 32 people, leave them alone. You don't gain anything from from downing them, and you don't lose anything from letting them grieve. If you don't want to read about there bereivements, just don't click on the topic. If you were supposedly better than these people (only because you grieve for "better" tradgedies) you would grieve for every person that has ever died.

[Leashedragon]

Most people dont even care anymore about who is dying over there. People hear about another bomb going off and they just shrug.

And apparently other people (not you) just pull up the death toll to quote it to others and prove their a better person for knowing it. Do they write to families of the deceased? Do they attend funerals? No, they sit behind their fucking screens and devalue as many lives as possible. Why? Because they're just that damn awesome. No tragedy can't affect them! They're not weak like those little humans that feel sadness and fear. 33 dead? Fuck that! Some giant balloon blew up in Europre or some shit, and that had to have been brutal!
Hey, you can't mourn if you didn't know anyone that died. Oh, you did know someone? Well, tough shit because my internet pride is more important than saying "I'm sorry". I'm just that level-headed and mature, even though my avatar is SSJ Pikachu, a conglomoration so gay it would make Andy Dick's head explode.
If you're upset about V-Tech now there's no way you can be upset about other things. I know I can only focus on one thing at a time when I forget my medication. I like Cinnamon Toast Crunch. So how can you honor all the death and sadness you don't know about? Obviously start with Iraq because it's a big number. No wait! Starving people in Africa! Which country? I dunno... Africa, it's all starving. No wait! Homeless people in America, that's really sad. Dammit, it's so hard to find the most appopriate situation to direct my furrowed brow at. Oh well, I'll just go rip stats for all of them of Wikipedia for easy reference.
Well, have fun with your grief counselors, I'm gonna go camp Fafnir.

I <3 you.

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Anywho. I'm not sure about any public services but I do know a lot of campuses around here had a gathering Tuesday night in memory of those lost at VT. (Reading/Lebanon area in PA) I'm not sure if there are any more planned, but it shouldn't be too hard to find out from local news stations/sites.

Geno is out and about right now, not sure when he will have access to a computer again as well. So I figured I'd offer a reply.

[Norelco]

Oh shit, this is getting more fucked up.

Read this:

Sometime after he killed two people in a dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances, the network said Wednesday.

Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents pending the agency’s review beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication, photographs and video.

The network said it would release a statement shortly.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

Picture of Cho wielding two guns: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/i/msnbc/C...peaks_251p.jpg

[Bwelch]

Was it just me or did I see a Breaking News Story on that website a few minutes ago detailing two shootings at Michigan University? o_ o

[Norelco]

Was it just me or did I see a Breaking News Story on that website a few minutes ago detailing two shootings at Michigan University? o_ o

Link or it didn't happen.

[Bwelch]

Was it just me or did I see a Breaking News Story on that website a few minutes ago detailing two shootings at Michigan University? o_ o

Link or it didn't happen.

I'm pretty sure I saw it on the breaking news banner but all I see is a this. Though you know how they are, they probably jump the gun on that and quickly deleted it.

[Norelco]

Unfuckingbelieveable.

[Bwelch]

Unfuckingbelieveable.

I hit backspace and didn't scroll up. XD

[Nirokun!]

i feel bad for the shooter. i'm sure the wide majority of you dont have an inkling of the kind of pain he felt day in and day out. the people that died lived without fear up until that day, but the shooter likely felt incredible pain and isolation for a large part, if not all, of his life.

mourning for those who died doesnt solve the problem, and im sure that those really mourning wont reach out to mr./ms. quiet the next time they see them. there wont be any more love extended to the quiet people out there, and isnt that really the cause? life is a very different place if you, day in and day out, feel left out, unloved, unnoticed. life is so different, so harshly different, that you can kill 32 people, then kill yourself.

and to the people hating on syn, understand that (s)he's just trying to get things going again by putting the incident in perspective. there are people in this world that will stand still, and there are people in this world that will get you walking again (sappy ). dont hate

millions of people feel pain like his. they arent all shooting up schools. i had an abusive alcoholic father for almost the entirety of my childhood, i was picked on and beaten up from first grade until well through middle school because of my tourette syndrome. i've had my share of horrible, negative and painful experiences, but i'm not blowing a gasket and massacring dozens of students at my college. q fucking q if you keep your shit bottled up inside, i turned out fine and have a big circle of friends i can turn to and rely on. dont use his pain as an excuse for us to feel sorry for him - plenty of people live like that and deal with it better.

pain is a subjective experience (you know that). this guy clearly lived with a scary, altered state of consciousness....every single day (you can see that because of how he talked to his roommate on all those occasions.) I dont know about you, but i think i've been in that place before, where things are EXTREMELY REAL at the moment, everything that hurts you is incredibly significant, and everything that doesnt, is incredibly insignificant. Its a different, illogical mindset that you cant apply logic to. To say that "plenty of people live like that and deal with it better" doesnt even address how the person feels. The reason people react differently to the same event (even in this thread) is a testament to the differences in subjective experience. You have to be able to see that his life was so, so utterly horrific, that it made it acceptable to devalue the lives of 32 other people, and his own. If you cant take your mind to that place, if those feelings are alien to you, you cannot begin to see the shadow cast by such immense pain. (wow epic)

If you look at a suicide as pain for the family first, and dont think about the pain in the life that was lost, you cant see what happened to that guy. People who commit suicide use it as an escape from the pain. People who commit heinous (sp?) crimes like this use it as an outlet for their anger. Events like this arent without cause, without pain and anger, logically "justified" or not (clearly the guy had an illogical state of mind, to say the least).

But maybe providing a logical explanation to this this kind of stuff to illogical people in mourning is a an exercise in futility (always wanted to use that :D)

[Norelco]

But maybe providing a logical explanation to this this kind of stuff to illogical people in mourning is a an exercise in futility (always wanted to use that :D)

This almost sounds like an insult to people who are in mourning, but I guess it's true. I mean honestly, I would be irrational if someone I loved was killed at the hands of somebody else. If someone were in my face trying to bring rationale while in this state, I would probably choke the life out of them.

Really, at the point that he went and shot a shitload of people because of HIS pain, I lost all remorse for this person.

You're right, mourning the dead doesn't solve the problem at hand here...but how about, it's how normal, sane people deal and you should let them be? There's a time and a place for logic and understanding, but I think it's a little too soon to be playing psychiatrist, especially in this thread.

[Eckskalibur]

Go to the msn link and click on the report on the right at the top.. Has a video of him saying a bunch of shit about how he didn't have to do this and stuff.

It's pretty fucked up..

[Norelco]

Go to the msn link and click on the report on the right at the top.. Has a video of him saying a bunch of shit about how he didn't have to do this and stuff.

It's pretty fucked up..

Not to make fun, but listen to his voice...he sounds just like Napolean Dynamite.