VA Tech Shootings: 32 + 1 Dead (Mourning Thread)

[Parshias]

I go to Tech, and I know a couple other players who go there, including the FFXI forum's favorite data-miner.

Sorry I don't keep up with datamining. Who is the FFXI forums favorite data miner? And is he/she ok also?

Zhila is the player who did a whole lot of datamining each version update, and he goes to Tech. Not sure if he's ok, I've really only met him once last year. He might not even be living on campus.

[Raineer]

why cant ppl do this killing thing at NRA meetings ._. then it would at least help make the world better
hate me as much as you want but everyone who wants a gun no matter to defend or to attack is a fucked up human or lives in america the most fucked up country on the world when it comes to weapons

it is true that most crimes are done with illegal bought weapons but if they would stop to produce so many weapons in america it would be also harder to get those illegal, just like in almost every other country on the world

ok, I do hate you as much as I hate. Thanks for the permission.

[RandomJoe]

VA Tech webmail works, but its slow and fails to send messages. I've been trying to contact my roommate, who is an engineer, for some time but verizon won't let me through.

I'm just worried about the guy because no one has heard from him and he left 30 minutes or so before the second shooting

[Remyo]

Why was he able to kill 32 people? Thats just fucking retarded rush that fucker, seriously if he's lining people up you know you're going to die anyway fight back. Sure some people would still get killed but you'd be able to save more in the process.


not really a time for joking, but "Guns don't kill people, naked people from the future do".

[burrito]

And people are saying the police did a good job. Personally I'd have to criticize the law enforcement for allowing the second shooting to occur.

qft :/

[Ace-o-fire]

why cant ppl do this killing thing at NRA meetings ._. then it would at least help make the world better
hate me as much as you want but everyone who wants a gun no matter to defend or to attack is a fucked up human or lives in america the most fucked up country on the world when it comes to weapons

it is true that most crimes are done with illegal bought weapons but if they would stop to produce so many weapons in america it would be also harder to get those illegal, just like in almost every other country on the world

If you know anything about the NRA they are all about safety first and they are done in a very professional manner.

+ i do plan on applying for a hunting permit and a gun permit when i ow my own house.

[Deuce]

Right now they're talking about wether or not the gunman had shooting practice considering how many he killed .


Hope everything turns out ok Jakune.

When you look at the severity of the shooting and the possibility that it would've taken some sort of planning I'd have to say that the gunman did have some practice/ experience firing a weapon. He killed 31 people and wounded 29 others so there's no doubt in my mind this guy had practice.

[Gafgarionn]

Extremely sad. My friend goes to VT and thinks one of his friends might have been killed.

[Parshias]

Why was he able to kill 32 people? Thats just fucking retarded rush that fucker, seriously if he's lining people up you know you're going to die anyway fight back. Sure some people would still get killed but you'd be able to save more in the process.


not really a time for joking, but "Guns don't kill people, naked people from the future do".

Yeah, I kinda had the same idea, except you can't really know what you'd do in that kind of situation. Its easy to think, "oh yeah, I'd nail that son of a bitch!", but I bet if I was in any of those student's shoes I'd just end up shitting myself or something.

[Norelco]

Is it true you get an automatic 4.0 GPA if your roommate dies or is that just an urban legend?

[Misterjingles]

Why was he able to kill 32 people? Thats just fucking retarded rush that fucker, seriously if he's lining people up you know you're going to die anyway fight back. Sure some people would still get killed but you'd be able to save more in the process.


not really a time for joking, but "Guns don't kill people, naked people from the future do".

I'm pretty sure you would be put into inaction staring down the barrel of a gun. And I'm pretty sure when you're dead you can't really make much of a difference anyhow =/

[divisortheory]

Why was he able to kill 32 people? Thats just fucking retarded rush that fucker, seriously if he's lining people up you know you're going to die anyway fight back. Sure some people would still get killed but you'd be able to save more in the process.

Hindsight is always 20/20

[Koyuki]

why cant ppl do this killing thing at NRA meetings ._. then it would at least help make the world better
hate me as much as you want but everyone who wants a gun no matter to defend or to attack is a fucked up human or lives in america the most fucked up country on the world when it comes to weapons

it is true that most crimes are done with illegal bought weapons but if they would stop to produce so many weapons in america it would be also harder to get those illegal, just like in almost every other country on the world

You're a complete fucking retard, like Ace said if you knew ANYTHING about the NRA you would know they are strict as fuck when it comes to safety. Either you dont know what the fuck you are talking about or you're jumping on some bandwagon in order to seem cool.

[Priran]

why cant ppl do this killing thing at NRA meetings ._. then it would at least help make the world better
hate me as much as you want but everyone who wants a gun no matter to defend or to attack is a fucked up human or lives in america the most fucked up country on the world when it comes to weapons

it is true that most crimes are done with illegal bought weapons but if they would stop to produce so many weapons in america it would be also harder to get those illegal, just like in almost every other country on the world

I never get tired of people like this, because they make me feel smart.

[MF Perm]

The thing is the general amount of gun crimes are caused by people that have purchased a gun illegally. That or the person was trying to defend themselves and well they didn't know what they were doing. Saying stricter gun laws won't necessarily solve all problems, honestly I don't know how much it would, I mean I could care less if you put a month waiting on a gun, if they want it they will either wait or find another way. The problem is not the guns, its the people.

and yes it is close to columbine anniversary

It's not just the general amount of violent crimes committed are with illegal guns it's the vast majority. I did a huge report on gun violence and laws for college and the accidental gun death rate compared to the rate of guns reportedly used for defense is much much lower, meaning that legally purchased guns have saved more lives than they have taken by a very large number. It's just that they don't report gun defense on the news, but every single accidental gun death is a front page story.

Bullshit.

What we know so far: the eighteen year old girlfriend of one of the Columbine High School killers bought some of the guns they used at a gun show nearby. Another gun was purchased by a co-worker. The murder weapons were all legally purchased in the immediate area. According to an article in the Times last week, most crime weapons are bought, not stolen as the NRA claims.

I noticed years ago that this was true. Whenever you read an account of a mass shooting, you usually find that the killer bought the gun. The LIRR shooter bought his at a gun shop in California. The student who shot other students at a college in the Berkshires bought his weapon nearby on Route 7. And so on.

A study of the source of weapons found at New York City crime scenes showed that most were purchased at gun stores in the South. Virginia instituted a limit--no more than one handgun per month--because it was embarrassed to be the origin of so many weapons used in New York City crimes.

The Columbine killer's girlfriend was a "straw man," a legal purchaser who immediately transferred the weapons to someone who could not have bought them himself. This is also very common. A student who shot other high school students in the South some years ago had his uncle buy his weapon. New York City gang members enlist residents of Southern cities to buy their guns for them.

Gun shows are a special problem. They are a glaring loophole in the federal gun laws. The idea is that private citizens may sell guns to one another without the need of dealer licenses or background checks. Shows are a nexus for these private sales, like a flea market for guns.

http://www.spectacle.org/599/columb.html


In a study of 65 high-profile multiple-victim shootings in the United States during 40 years, 62% of handgun shootings and 71% of long gun shootings were committed with legally acquired firearms (Violence Policy Center, 2001)

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF02.htm

[Amarok]

why cant ppl do this killing thing at NRA meetings ._. then it would at least help make the world better
hate me as much as you want but everyone who wants a gun no matter to defend or to attack is a fucked up human or lives in america the most fucked up country on the world when it comes to weapons

it is true that most crimes are done with illegal bought weapons but if they would stop to produce so many weapons in america it would be also harder to get those illegal, just like in almost every other country on the world

Goddamn you're fucking retarded.

[Deuce]

Why was he able to kill 32 people? Thats just fucking retarded rush that fucker, seriously if he's lining people up you know you're going to die anyway fight back. Sure some people would still get killed but you'd be able to save more in the process.

I thought of this too, but it'd be an extremely difficult situation to be in. Personally that's what I'd do because I'm crazy as hell, but most people would be extremely scared in this type of situation so it'd be hard to try something like that.

[Saphirea]

Just had a guy on MSNBC that was there and said how him and another person held down a room and gave first aid to two of the victims.

Some people can handle situations like that some people can't, but who really knows how one would react until faced with that situation.

[Jakune]

I donno... I have lived in other countries, and just cause laws were stricter or harsher punishment, and things acquired by illegal means were just as much of a problem there too...

oh yeah, and not all weapons are bought for protection... hunting, skeet shooting stuff like that... oh and shooting people at an nra meeting most definitely wouldn't help things.

and thanks for the concern all... you just never think it would happen at your school... or even the buildings you go to... I mean we all thought the bomb threats was just someone trying to get out of a test or something like that... but yeah... who knows now...

edit: stuff bout columbine and gun shows

I believe there is an age requirement still for purchasing weapons, I know there is for ammunition, and I am pretty sure they at least check your age at gun shows. Though with the internet getting better, I think it should be completely viable to set up a system of pre-checking before gun shows so there will be some accountability for that.

real quick google, I would not say that getting a friend to acquire those guns and especially the ammunition was legal, yes the whole straw thing was legal, but when some of the ammunition was purchased from walmart, that deffinatly brought in an illegal aspect of it.

[Amarok]

The thing is the general amount of gun crimes are caused by people that have purchased a gun illegally. That or the person was trying to defend themselves and well they didn't know what they were doing. Saying stricter gun laws won't necessarily solve all problems, honestly I don't know how much it would, I mean I could care less if you put a month waiting on a gun, if they want it they will either wait or find another way. The problem is not the guns, its the people.

and yes it is close to columbine anniversary

It's not just the general amount of violent crimes committed are with illegal guns it's the vast majority. I did a huge report on gun violence and laws for college and the accidental gun death rate compared to the rate of guns reportedly used for defense is much much lower, meaning that legally purchased guns have saved more lives than they have taken by a very large number. It's just that they don't report gun defense on the news, but every single accidental gun death is a front page story.

Bullshit.

What we know so far: the eighteen year old girlfriend of one of the Columbine High School killers bought some of the guns they used at a gun show nearby. Another gun was purchased by a co-worker. The murder weapons were all legally purchased in the immediate area. According to an article in the Times last week, most crime weapons are bought, not stolen as the NRA claims.

I noticed years ago that this was true. Whenever you read an account of a mass shooting, you usually find that the killer bought the gun. The LIRR shooter bought his at a gun shop in California. The student who shot other students at a college in the Berkshires bought his weapon nearby on Route 7. And so on.

A study of the source of weapons found at New York City crime scenes showed that most were purchased at gun stores in the South. Virginia instituted a limit--no more than one handgun per month--because it was embarrassed to be the origin of so many weapons used in New York City crimes.

The Columbine killer's girlfriend was a "straw man," a legal purchaser who immediately transferred the weapons to someone who could not have bought them himself. This is also very common. A student who shot other high school students in the South some years ago had his uncle buy his weapon. New York City gang members enlist residents of Southern cities to buy their guns for them.

Gun shows are a special problem. They are a glaring loophole in the federal gun laws. The idea is that private citizens may sell guns to one another without the need of dealer licenses or background checks. Shows are a nexus for these private sales, like a flea market for guns.

http://www.spectacle.org/599/columb.html


In a study of 65 high-profile multiple-victim shootings in the United States during 40 years, 62% of handgun shootings and 71% of long gun shootings were committed with legally acquired firearms (Violence Policy Center, 2001)

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF02.htm

Please tell me you don't think 65 shootings in 40 years covers every violent gun crime in that 40 year period.