Server Transfers - Do we want them?

[Kazen]

Too easy to get away from a bad reputation.

Take Ryunoire on Midgar (please!). She had a crap rep on another server, came to Midgar, talked people into trusting her/working with her, and in the end did the same thing.

Sorry, shes yours now :3 Though we'll take back KC.

If the world shifts open up, I'd fall down dead from surprise if she remained on Midgar. She's burnt major bridges here.

You likely won't get her back, but at least she'll probably leave Midgar!

But then you'll just get 5 more people just like them lol.

[LD]

The reason most people said no is because most people have LSs.
Shifting, be it malignant or benign, upsets the community.
People don't like something they're attached to disturbed or threatened.
They either fear old people leaving or new people coming in (or both),
it's just that simple.

The people who said ‘Yea’ are probably those who have no ties to the server they’re currently on or someone who wants a friend from another server to come to him.
That shouldn’t say that those in favor of shifting aren’t doing it for purely selfish reasons, indeed, it’s just as likely that those who voted ‘Nay’ are afraid of change, used to the game’s relative normalcy.

This is just a complete non-issue for me, I almost didn’t vote.
I just enjoy mulling it over, watching you people give your reasons...
The fact is other MMOs do provide this service with little problem AND it would allow decidedly unpopular people to start fresh.
However, if Remora & Hades are any indication, it isn’t necessarily a good thing..or a bad thing.
It all depends on your perspective.

When they did the Remora/Hades shift, I lost at least 2 good friends.
Was I broken up about it? Not really, because they were doing it for such ungodly selfish and short-sighted reasons, I didn’t so much worry about parting company.
Our server lost a powerful LS, and said LS eventually crumbled with the leader ganking most of the funds (as I understand it.)
Everything that I told them would happen happened.
Was I sad for my old friends? No, they shoulda seen it coming.
Was I glad it happened to them? No, they were my friends.

My point is, from my perspective, the world shift didn’t make my life any better or worse.
I just got on with it.

I guess what I’m saying is this...

“All our times have come
Here but now they're gone
Seasons don't fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain
We can be like they are

Come on baby... Don't fear the Reaper
Baby take my hand... Don't fear the Reaper
We'll be able to fly... Don't fear the Reaper
Baby I'm your man...”





...and damnit.....I need more cowbell.

[SephYuyX]

Too easy to get away from a bad reputation.

Take Ryunoire on Midgar (please!). She had a crap rep on another server, came to Midgar, talked people into trusting her/working with her, and in the end did the same thing.

Sorry, shes yours now :3 Though we'll take back KC.

If the world shifts open up, I'd fall down dead from surprise if she remained on Midgar. She's burnt major bridges here.

You likely won't get her back, but at least she'll probably leave Midgar!

I quoted about Coz, dunno if youre referring her or Ryunoire (dunno who that is).

[Liseth]

I vote no. I like my server the way it is. Though I woudn't have much of a problem with people who have different characters on separate servers having the ability to move them onto one server.

[Kazen]

I voted no, theres enough botting ls's on bahamut as is.

[Thistle]

I quoted about Coz, dunno if youre referring her or Ryunoire (dunno who that is).

Oh, ha. I have no idea who Coz is. I thought you were talking about Ryunoire .

[SamanosukeShiva]

She was from Shiva, moved with her LS to midgard. She still a LS leader?

[Kross]

I got a RL buddy that plays on Alexander and he really wants to switch servers cuz Alexander is prolly the worst server of them all...

If SE did enable server transfer it would be a one time thing only so it wouldn't jeopordize the said servers.

I like the idea, FFXI has been up for a long time, I don't really thing the game can be more broken...

[Not Kuno]

It should let you pick which server you want, except for the 1/2 most populated servers. So people dont go to the crowded ones.

[Septimus]

What a silly argument.

First off, people use the term "RMT" too much since it can mean one of three things: gil farmers, gil sellers, and gil buyers. Here is why it is silly to be concerned about any of them world-shifting.

Gil farmers and sellers have little attachment to their characters, if they get banned they will just level new ones. They don't care what server they are on, their companies care that they are getting the maximum amount of gil that they can from each character.

If a gil buyer wants to world shift now, all he/she has to do is buy a character on a different server and sell the one that he/she has already. (Obviously people have no problem with that.) People already gank the LS fund/items and quit the game or hop linkshells, world shifts will just add a new form of drama, not more drama.

My proposal for world shifting. Square gives me the spell X-Zone, it costs 1 MP, has a cast time of 1 second, a recast time of 1 second, and a very large casting distance so that people can't get away. This spell sends the target to a new server, we can call it Phantom, from which there is no escape. Problem solved!

[chesh]

Too easy to get away from a bad reputation.

Take Ryunoire on Midgar (please!). She had a crap rep on another server, came to Midgar, talked people into trusting her/working with her, and in the end did the same thing.

Can we get rid of Coz too?

Sorry, shes yours now :3 Though we'll take back KC.

He quit, sucks to be you!

[SephYuyX]

Too easy to get away from a bad reputation.

Take Ryunoire on Midgar (please!). She had a crap rep on another server, came to Midgar, talked people into trusting her/working with her, and in the end did the same thing.

Can we get rid of Coz too?

Sorry, shes yours now :3 Though we'll take back KC.

He quit, sucks to be you!

He's already missing the game, he'll be back when he realizes he needs his mithra fix.

[Kross]

I got a RL buddy that plays on Alexander and he really wants to switch servers cuz Alexander is prolly the worst server of them all...

If SE did enable server transfer it would be a one time thing only so it wouldn't jeopordize the said servers.

I like the idea, FFXI has been up for a long time, I don't really thing the game can be more broken...

Alexander? the worst server? i mean, aside from the bots etc, the economy is nice, the players are more often then not only amazing at their jobs, but very sweet taboot. Your friend must have a shitty ls.

Yeah that's the problem, he's in an LS lead by Shonryu, who was member of some big HNM ls ( i forget the name, I think it was GaijenSmash or Spiritswithin ), and they f*ck him over on drops all the time.

The economy is really nice, 2nd cheapest server, but I wasn't impressed by the ppl.

Which ls are you in? I'll send ya a tell if i'm on his char

[Doombard]

I think that when they do allow server transfers, they will of course limit the amount of people who can enter a server at a time. So you won't have 3000 people joining a server at once, while 300 join another. When transfers are possible, I think there will be very strict rules about it.

[Eander]

Voted yes for the same "have friends on other servers" reasons.

I think the mass panic about this breaking the game or whatever's more than a little baseless. I mean, cmon, we've seen how utterly restrictive SE is whenever they give us something new. Acting like they're going to make a completely laissez-faire world shifting system is pretty dense. I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they put a hefty restriction on the amount of gil that can be transferred, number of items, etc.

[Rentwokay]

Certain servers have gotten the reputation of having "good" endgame. Some have been mentioned by name during interviews, while for others, it can be inferred just by how little they're mentioned on forums like these. This includes, but isn't limited to, the /random rule when a linkshell wipes to an HNM.

All it takes is for one snot-nosed linkshell (or three) to say, "Hey, let's move here and totally gank all their spawns. They use the /random rule, but we'll just steal claim, and there's nothing they can do about it," and suddenly, the endgame scene is completely ruined for that server.

When they first announced world shifts to Remora and Hades when the worlds were first opened, somebody mentioned that two people are going to go for a world shift: people who have had their reputation completely ruined and can't accomplish anything, or people who are so jaded with the game that they need a "reboot" to keep them from quitting entirely.

I don't want them to add it. If you have friends on other servers, why didn't you join those servers in the first place? It's too much like those people that asked for a World Pass because "i hav friendz on dis servr lol". Well, go ask your friends for a World Pass.

If they do add it, there had better be some strict penalties imposed. I don't think just a real-life fee is enough. The percentage of people who engage in RMT proves that people just don't care about shelling out a certain amount of money if it means getting ahead. I don't think deleting all gil is enough because people could just pour the gil into whatever sellable items will produce the most profit on the other server. Then again, taking all their sellable equipment seems like too strict a penalty.

[Weltall]

Shonryu the leader of a big HNMLS? I don't think that guy has a single DA/Behe/Valley kill ever. The only HNMLS leaders are the following:

Myself - http://www.claimedlinkshell.com
Kaminari- ICBM
Mateo- JR (not really HNM)
Sigpimud- Finale
Lunar- SSD

I believe Shonryu is also the guy who has stolen like 6 accounts.

Edit- I am totally for server transfer if you can only move 1 time via payment.

[Epical]

I still think someone's proposal of a "sponsorship" system was genius. You have to get X number of people to accept your server transfer proposal, and once that number was reached, the next time you log on, you'll log onto whatever server you were going for.

[Tekki]

What a silly argument.

First off, people use the term "RMT" too much since it can mean one of three things: gil farmers, gil sellers, and gil buyers. Here is why it is silly to be concerned about any of them world-shifting.

Gil farmers and sellers have little attachment to their characters, if they get banned they will just level new ones. They don't care what server they are on, their companies care that they are getting the maximum amount of gil that they can from each character.

If a gil buyer wants to world shift now, all he/she has to do is buy a character on a different server and sell the one that he/she has already. (Obviously people have no problem with that.) People already gank the LS fund/items and quit the game or hop linkshells, world shifts will just add a new form of drama, not more drama.

My proposal for world shifting. Square gives me the spell X-Zone, it costs 1 MP, has a cast time of 1 second, a recast time of 1 second, and a very large casting distance so that people can't get away. This spell sends the target to a new server, we can call it Phantom, from which there is no escape. Problem solved!

You can Phantom me first

[Taj]

My proposal for world shifting. Square gives me the spell X-Zone, it costs 1 MP, has a cast time of 1 second, a recast time of 1 second, and a very large casting distance so that people can't get away. This spell sends the target to a new server, we can call it Phantom, from which there is no escape. Problem solved!

Didn't you already propose this like two years ago in the G-Prime Boost Macro thread?