Dynamis Lord Theorycraft

[ashere]

Long time lurker, first time poster

Have someone stand in front of Zvhal before they are summoned & fight DL at the bottom of the bridge leading up to Zvhal. When he summons Y/Y they will aggro the sacrificial lamb on the way & then reset because their hate is not yet linked with DL. I am not 100% sure if this works, or of the distance DL needs to be away for it to work.

I can confirm this behaviour, tho I don't think I have the screenshots still. Basically, I discovered this same thing when after blowing TP + Wing on my THF/NIN I went up to keep an eye out for Y&Y while the rest of my LS continued killing DL at the usual place(i.e BLMs & mages on the top of the cliff, DL and melee on the bottom).

I was basically sitting right in the middle where the path narrows towards the gates when Y&Y popped and proceeded to aggro me.(Note: I did not range attack or otherwise claim them) I tanked w/ shadows for awhile, then popped PD which bought about 1 min or so of time before they eventually killed me... But, instead of continuing on to ravage BLMs, they resetted long enough for me to reraise and sit on the path again (About 30 seconds, before they started moving forward to help DL again). They reaggroed me and I died again lol, BUT they resetted once again for another 20-30 seconds.

Don't know how much this would help tho cos if you've been in a successful DL kill, as you know, if you've been fighting DL for nearly 3 mins, shit is going wrong already. >_>;

Theory is, if you aggro the dragons before they can spot or get close to the alliance they will reset temporarily but eventually they will rape you horrendously.

In my dyna shell, we usually pull off 2-3 THFs who've blown their tp to go distract the dragons by using this method and it has worked so far almost 100%. Its been awhile tho since we had the numbers to kill DL again after getting 7 kills.

[Kiro]

Dragons are summoned 60 seconds after pull.

One example
http://www.youtube.com/v/HnHDgumAxIY

Good god, the quality.

[Wizerd]

Dragons are summoned 60 seconds after pull.

This doesnt disprove the 20 minute timer theory.

The timer wont start until he summons them. He probably summons them when the zone is loaded and i doubt you get to DL clear the dragons and kill him in <20 minutes.

One example
http://www.youtube.com/v/HnHDgumAxIY

What is that movie supposed to show? They killed it in about 60 seconds and from what I could tell it was summoning at the end just before it died. Very hard to tell with that quality though lol.

It's probably 60 seconds after last summon, and can probably do it as many times as he wants. DL isn't supposed to be easy.

[Alpsyche]

We used to try monkeying with Y/Y as he resummons. It became such a fixation that we would forget the big man with the Oblivion Smash move is by far the bigger threat. When he summons the dragons, you had better be on your way to killing DL so they become inconsequential.

[Zigma]

if you let him summon Y/Y, YOU HAVE LOST.

[Nadrojj]

LOL I didn't even know he re-summons them... We just zerg the hell out of DL fight lasts maybe 5 minutes tops with 7 Rng/war and a few blms he goes down for the count rather quickly.

[Awoir]

LOL I didn't even know he re-summons them... We just zerg the hell out of DL fight lasts maybe 5 minutes tops with 7 Rng/war and a few blms he goes down for the count rather quickly.

5 minutes? Jesus your LS is slow.

[Nadrojj]

Lol general estimate I'm sure it's faster but meh the point was I was unaware he even resummoned.

We did manage to farm 0 thats right 0 af's and only the garunteed 100 drop from DL our last run >.>

[Bartman]

LOL I didn't even know he re-summons them... We just zerg the hell out of DL fight lasts maybe 5 minutes tops with 7 Rng/war and a few blms he goes down for the count rather quickly.

5 minutes? Jesus your LS is slow.

I thought you couldn't live past 5 minutes? I've only been to DL's that kill it in 2 minutes tops, fearing any longer than that we'd wipe.

[Nadrojj]

Apparently some shells take over 20 minutes... I cannot imagine that.

[Bartman]

Apparently some shells take over 20 minutes... I cannot imagine that.

That's a world record there, folks.

[Awoir]

Longest we've taken can't be longer than 2 minutes. How do people take 20 minutes? an ally of RDM/DRKs and DRG + THF burn it?

[Toonshady]

our DL fights last no more than 90 seconds. if you have 7 decked out RNG/WARs, each of them should be doing 10-12k dmg total and that should end the fight with there

[Toonshady]

Longest we've taken can't be longer than 2 minutes. How do people take 20 minutes? an ally of RDM/DRKs and DRG + THF burn it?

eh.. there's a ls on our server that spend 10 min on the fight trying to do skillchains and magic bursts then wipe at 8-15%. you should know who they are by now D;

[Awoir]

FR? lol

And yea, 2 kraken DRKs + 6-8 RNGs + 4-5 MNKs = sub 1 minute DL 8)

[Toonshady]

d..b..s...

[Awoir]

Didn't even think of them lol. They won't ever be able to beat DL burning him with AF1 DRGs and Bec de facon DRKs!

[Izzy]

When we first killed DL in like may 2005, it took us 35 mins to kill him. Keep in mind, this was pre-all nerfs. No double weak, no rng nerf, no blm same element casting nerf. It's INCREDIBLY hard to do a zombie style fight now due to the fact once you die twice, you're out of fucking commission for 5 mins.

Basically now, it takes us about 1 min 10 secs on average to beat it. We only have like 35 people so it actually summons Ying/Yang, however, they never make it to us. They start walking down the hill, and die when they're about to reach the meele group normally.

[Khamsin]

We've dealt with Y&Y before just by -ga nuking them when they pop. Take them out in one volley and continue on with DL. Other times, we've just killed him before he resummons. And yet other times, we've just ignored them (shadowbind works well for this).

Although we haven't done DL as much in the last couple years as we once did, due to less people and less interest. But I assume the same tactics would work now as did then, only better (due to better gear availability, the merit system, etc.)

[psnsonixx]

A Japanese linkshell on our server fights dl and it takes them 1.5 -> 2 hours to kill it.. they have alot of people, and they don't zerg it.. they kite it around and die and nuke and die and blah blah.. think they said about 20-30k per person lost.. this was about a year or two ago, before they even knew you could zerg it.. so.. it's possible.. I don't know how they dealt with Y&Y.. I heard if you killed them 3 times (after the initial) he doesn't summon them anymore, but that's something I can't prove... DL fights take us, like most linkshells... 30-60s.