lolcrawford (Official NBA Playoff Thread)

[Fusional]

it's not just him though, nba officials have made nba basketball into a "soft sport" and the slightest physical contest could get the whistle

unless it has anything to do with shaq. then he's allowed to maul people because he's bigger and "rules apply different to a guy that size"

[Andarvi]

Problem with this case was that crawford cost the spurs the game and any possibility of the spurs moving into the 2 slot of the west. You can't go making ridiculous calls on players like Tim Duncan, one of the nicest guys on the court (albeit boring as shit, damn mechanics), not to mention a champion deserving of respect, in a game as important as this one. He was laughing on the sideline, players laugh on the sideline all the time, and i dont give a shit if the ref feels like hes being showed up, you dont do that. Not to mention, crawford has made calls like this against the spurs and Duncan specifically in the past.

Duncan should have just flagrantly fouled crawford and give him a reason to get rejected.

[BarthelloSylph]

I agree with about every negative point stated about why the NBA is so bad.

Some teams are very fun to watch however:

Bulls, Raptors, Warrios are all great teams to watch b/c they are very fast paced offenses.


I don't even think you can compare college basketball to the NBA. The NBA product is so inferior it isn't even close.

How do you talk about fun teams and fast paced offenses without mentioning the Mavs and the Suns? Yikes.

The NBA blows. Tim Duncan is boring. Blah blah.

[kisada]

yeah, if you consider the nba an inferior product and fail to include the suns as one of those teams, i think you've been missing quite a bit, or you just like to watch shitty basketball.

[Tyche]

not to mention jump shooters like kobe jumping into someone intentionally to get a call.... i mean what the hell is that!? kobe really is a great player and all but i really don't agree with that shit

The greats have always done this. Reggie Miller was notorious for this (even more blatant than kobe). If there was a player with in 4 ft of him he would take his jump shot jumping in w/e direction the defender was in flailing every part of his body possible lol.

I hated it then and I still hate it now. Slows the pace of the game down and makes it really boring.

Jordan was a push-off expert. Won the 1998 championship on a push-off play. Don't take this as a form of disrespect, I'm the biggest MJ fanboy ever. Ive taken 10 hours trips on 2 different occassions to watch him play in Chicago. The NBA was a different beast back then, Jordan would be a 40+ point a game player in todays game. Stockton was dirty as fuck too.

On topic, i think the bigger "LOL" is at the Chicago Bulls for blowing a crucial game on the last day of the season. Lose one game and now you're out in one of the first 2 rounds, while Cleveland has a slip and slide to the Eastern Conference Championship.

[GRT]

actually i'm 100% fine with what MJ did there, and i'm glad that the ref didn't call on it (he just slightly shaveled the guy to add to his already big momentum trying to keep up with MJ)

so basically i'm fine with a slight "reach in" going for the ball, a hands up "block" trying to defend a shot, things like that... and a lot less call on offensives so defenders would actually prefer to stand their ground against charging layups to make it a real contest instead of taking an acting class to learn how to fall down better to make it more visually plausible

[Deejay]

College Ball and Professional Ball are two completely different games i agree. But NBA players are FAR more talented than college players, and thats why they have to play together.

However, to diss Kobe is retarded. Hes like the same player as Jordan in every aspect of the game. Kobe has been first team all defense, scoring champion, has 3 rings, etc etc just like Jordan(i know he has 5, but close enough). Only difference is that Kobe had sex with a white girl and didnt pay enough. thus, everyone hates him.

[Tyche]

College Ball and Professional Ball are two completely different games i agree. But NBA players are FAR more talented than college players, and thats why they have to play together.

However, to diss Kobe is retarded. Hes like the same player as Jordan in every aspect of the game. Kobe has been first team all defense, scoring champion, has 3 rings, etc etc just like Jordan(i know he has 5, but close enough). Only difference is that Kobe had sex with a white girl and didnt pay enough. thus, everyone hates him.

Only thing Kobe does almost as good as MJ is score. Jordan plays a hell of a lot better defense, has more championships, and, most importantly, is a hell of a lot better of a leader. Jordan elevated every player that played with him. Because pippen played with jordan, he's a top 50 player of all time. Pippen goes to Portland and falls on his face. Kobe elevates...himself. If i had to choose either kobe or MJ to take a last second shot, it would be a tough choice...if i had to choose one to build a team around, it would be jordan in a hearbeat, and no second thoughts. Kobe/Jordan is no comparison what-so-ever unless you're talking about how many points they can throw up and how offensively explosive they can be.

[Huggo]

I just hate how the NBA has turned the sport into a commercial for shoes. It seems the individual players themselves these days are more important in the minds of the fans than the teams they play for. You see any basketball commercials on TV it's all about "Hey look how cool Kobe looks in his new clothes. Check out Allen Iverson's car." etc etc. I agree with what was said earlier. College ball is where it's at. Those players haven't had a chance to get cocky and endorsed yet

[GRT]

Jordan elevated every player that played with him. Kobe elevates...himself.

without trying to offend anyone, i really think that's because MJ went to college and kobe didn't, as in it's more of a personal character thing than physical skills

[Melena]

not to mention jump shooters like kobe jumping into someone intentionally to get a call.... i mean what the hell is that!? kobe really is a great player and all but i really don't agree with that shit

The greats have always done this. Reggie Miller was notorious for this (even more blatant than kobe). If there was a player with in 4 ft of him he would take his jump shot jumping in w/e direction the defender was in flailing every part of his body possible lol.

I hated it then and I still hate it now. Slows the pace of the game down and makes it really boring.

Jordan was a push-off expert. Won the 1998 championship on a push-off play. Don't take this as a form of disrespect, I'm the biggest MJ fanboy ever. Ive taken 10 hours trips on 2 different occassions to watch him play in Chicago. The NBA was a different beast back then, Jordan would be a 40+ point a game player in todays game. Stockton was dirty as fuck too.

On topic, i think the bigger "LOL" is at the Chicago Bulls for blowing a crucial game on the last day of the season. Lose one game and now you're out in one of the first 2 rounds, while Cleveland has a slip and slide to the Eastern Conference Championship.

How can you mention stockton and jordon being dirty as hell and not mention the king of dirt ball Bill Lambeer?

[kisada]

I just hate how the NBA has turned the sport into a commercial for shoes. It seems the individual players themselves these days are more important in the minds of the fans than the teams they play for. You see any basketball commercials on TV it's all about "Hey look how cool Kobe looks in his new clothes. Check out Allen Iverson's car." etc etc. I agree with what was said earlier. College ball is where it's at. Those players haven't had a chance to get cocky and endorsed yet

you should look up the oj mayo story, or pretty much any highly-touted player coming out of HS. the best ones pretty much have boosters up their ass giving them whatever they want as soon as they're 16.

the only reason why college ball seems egoless (and it sure isn't if you really look behind the curtain) is cause ncaa heavily exploits the players, and they don't get paid, which is pretty shitty in itself. in the case of a career-ending injury, they're totally screwed. kids aren't the beneficiaries of the exorbitant amounts of money that they make for college ball.

[Tyche]

I just hate how the NBA has turned the sport into a commercial for shoes. It seems the individual players themselves these days are more important in the minds of the fans than the teams they play for. You see any basketball commercials on TV it's all about "Hey look how cool Kobe looks in his new clothes. Check out Allen Iverson's car." etc etc. I agree with what was said earlier. College ball is where it's at. Those players haven't had a chance to get cocky and endorsed yet

you should look up the oj mayo story, or pretty much any highly-touted player coming out of HS. the best ones pretty much have boosters up their ass giving them whatever they want as soon as they're 16.

the only reason why college ball seems egoless (and it sure isn't if you really look behind the curtain) is cause ncaa heavily exploits the players, and they don't get paid, which is pretty shitty in itself. in the case of a career-ending injury, they're totally screwed. kids aren't the beneficiaries of the exorbitant amounts of money that they make for college ball.

They have insurance that highly scouted players can take out that grants them "x" amount of dallars if they were to recieve an injury in college. So, maybe they won't make 10's of millions, but they can make some bank still.

[kisada]

ah, i didn't know about that, but i still meant in relative terms to the pro contract that they woulda had.

[jimbo]

Jordan elevated every player that played with him. Because pippen played with jordan, he's a top 50 player of all time. Pippen goes to Portland and falls on his face.

Michael Jordan unexpectedly retired in 1993, and the 1994 season marked Pippen's stepping out from Jordan's shadow and he performed as one of the best players in the league. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors. He had perhaps his best season, leading the Bulls in scoring, assists, and the entire league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.9 three-pointers, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the three-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team nods, and finished third in the MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two less than their previous championship year with Jordan still on the team.

from wiki, pippen was really freaking good, it just happens that his numbers went down as he got older/left the bulls..like just about everybody else.

[dietvanillapepsi]

Jordan elevated every player that played with him. Kobe elevates...himself.

without trying to offend anyone, i really think that's because MJ went to college and kobe didn't, as in it's more of a personal character thing than physical skills

I think it's because someone has to be the best who ever played the game.

[Tyche]

Jordan elevated every player that played with him. Because pippen played with jordan, he's a top 50 player of all time. Pippen goes to Portland and falls on his face.

Michael Jordan unexpectedly retired in 1993, and the 1994 season marked Pippen's stepping out from Jordan's shadow and he performed as one of the best players in the league. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors. He had perhaps his best season, leading the Bulls in scoring, assists, and the entire league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.9 three-pointers, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the three-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team nods, and finished third in the MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two less than their previous championship year with Jordan still on the team.

from wiki, pippen was really freaking good, it just happens that his numbers went down as he got older/left the bulls..like just about everybody else.

But they didnt even make it out of the second round of the playoffs that year. You think those stats are the reason he's a top 50 player of all time? Im not denying pippen is a very good NBA player, but he wouldn't have been a top50 player of all time without MJ.

[jimbo]

edit edit edit: nvm i read it wrong, sorry

[Deejay]

Jordan elevated every player that played with him. Because pippen played with jordan, he's a top 50 player of all time. Pippen goes to Portland and falls on his face.

Michael Jordan unexpectedly retired in 1993, and the 1994 season marked Pippen's stepping out from Jordan's shadow and he performed as one of the best players in the league. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors. He had perhaps his best season, leading the Bulls in scoring, assists, and the entire league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.9 three-pointers, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the three-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team nods, and finished third in the MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two less than their previous championship year with Jordan still on the team.

from wiki, pippen was really freaking good, it just happens that his numbers went down as he got older/left the bulls..like just about everybody else.

But they didnt even make it out of the second round of the playoffs that year. You think those stats are the reason he's a top 50 player of all time? Im not denying pippen is a very good NBA player, but he wouldn't have been a top50 player of all time without MJ.

And can you honestly say MJ would have gotten 5 rings without Pippen? If Kobe Bryant had a guy like KG who is about the same player statistically as Pippen, you'd seen another 5 rings on his hand also.

[Tyche]

Yeah, i think jordan would have won 5 rings w/o pippen. Players like pippen and KG aren't rare, as a matter of fact, id put them around a dime a dozen. If it wasn't pippen, it would have been someone else that he elevated to obscene proportions. FYI, KG averages about 6 more RPG and 4 more PPG about the same FG%, better FT%, etc, etc than pippen does. You think KG is a top 50 player of all time? I wouldnt put him in the top 100. As far as the kobe/KG reference, Lamar Odem averages more PPG and RPG, and a bit less than 1 APG than pippen. Wheres the other 2 championships?