Possible Earth like planet found

[Boyiee]

This thread is far too intellectual for 6am, what the fuck people; how are you doing this?

Did anyone else see that frog on animal planet that could freeze itself btw? Scientists studying it and all to devise a way to make humans capable of doing it. It literally becomes ice, including its organs and heart, but the glucose in its cells keeps it alive and brings it back to life when it unthaws... pretty sick. Cryogenics is sick, i wanna pull a futurama.

[dude]

Stuff changes over the years . saying it isn't possible now doesn't mean 200 years down the road we won't have figured out how to travel at light speed. All these physics laws and stuff are trying to understand the world we live in. There's so much about the universe we don't know about kind of pointless to limit ourselves by earth laws.

[Kaylia]

Actual restrictions like travelling faster then light in a common reference. There is no restriction to computing power, for example.

There is no restriction to computing power, there is restriction to the hardware. Still not sure what you mean by traveling faster than light. Yes, it's a restriction, and a big one.

I NEVER said that they would use such computers to determine if there was life. I said they could use computers to determine whether or not a galaxy/solar system could produce a planet or planets that could support life. They would need to know the content of the dust that was forming said galaxy/solar system and they would need to be able to process a bunch of calculations on how gravity will effect the dust. We do it with supercomputers today, gravitysimulator supercomputer for example.

I hope they use quantum computer if they do space travel >_> Those computer are within the realm of possible, not the 2nd. Either way, your claim is stupid, because you have no idea what we are simulating exactly, and don't seem to realize your claim is miles aways from what we are doing. One is possible, while the other is not.

And its not dust that formed galaxy, it's hydrogen. But you obviously know that already... >_>

[GRT]

Hmm, I think you misunderstood me. I've said in almost every post so far that I don't think past "laws" are wrong, merely incomplete, or misleading in a way that attempts to convince us certain things are impossible. Thinking outside the box does not mean that you should destroy old findings, but to see them in a new light and utilize the new findings/ideas to counter restrictions set by the laws of physics as we know it.

One example I can come up at the top of my head right now is that newly designed airliner, that you first shoots up into the thermosphere, and then basically glide down against earth self rotation using gravity to reach your destination. There's a name to this aircraft but I can't think of it all of a sudden. I remember reading that it takes less than two hours to travel from Los Angeles to London in it which uses not much more amount of fuel than the 16 hour regular flight.

And yes there's already cruise missiles that utilizes this technology (best technologies usually come out of weapons right).

That's what I meant by thinking outside the box. It doesn't have to be a huge leap from what we already know; there's never been a corner that sharp. But I do believe that there are type of energy yet to be discovered, methods to utilize complex science nobody's realized, and ways to see our world that can open new doors.

The biggest limitation we face in scientific studies in my opinion is our senses. We can only see so many colors, hear so many frequencies, etc. Although certain laws unchanging, there must be ways we can manipulate them in a way to our favor, and that's what differentiate the genius and the common place.

[Kaylia]

Another thing, what exactly do you think a quantum computer would do? Even that article claims it's uses would only benefit quantum problems. Guess what, galaxy formation is the furthest thing from a quantum problem. You might as well use a TI-83+. Talk about not understanding what you're talking about...

They could do everything. And good luck making 128 bit decryption on your TI-83+ >_>

I guess physics isnt related to quantum problem oh well.

What have I posted that requires "infinite" anything? Nothing. Also, nanotechnology is not simply based on proteins. Saying that just proves your ignorance of technology.

The one in medecine are, and it's the domain you mentioned. I know there is more like carbon tube and other stuff like bio computer, but that's beyond the point. I don't see how it prove my ignorance of technology, I'm definitively not an expert in chemistry, and I'm glad it's not relevant to the space domain

This thread is far too intellectual for 6am, what the fuck people; how are you doing this?

Adreneline rush when I've a good argument on teh internet! It's sirius business. But seriously, I'm not even sure myself. I'm scared to say something completly wrong that will haunt me tomorrow.

[Boyiee]

I at least have an excuse, pokemon+orthopedic surgeon appointment in 2hours.

[arlania]

Adreneline rush when I've a good argument on teh internet! It's sirius business. But seriously, I'm not even sure myself. I'm scared to say something completly wrong that will haunt me tomorrow.

It's the internet. Saying something wrong is part of it lol.




My viewpoint on all of this is just wait. We think we know everything that will happen yet we continually find ourselves discovering more and more. Humanity is known for egotism but we are always kept in place by something.

[GRT]

about the human emotions changing behavior of water molecules, look up "Dr. Masaru Emoto" (he's supposed to be incredibly popular around science circles now, but not as popular in academic ones because he has only the documentation of his discovery but no explanation) and his book called "Hidden Messages in Water," you should be impressed

to quote amazon book description:

[quote:23451]This book has the potential to profoundly transform your world view. Using high-speed photography, Dr. Masaru Emoto discovered that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward them.

i would imagine this to be no more magical than flying was to people of 200 years ago :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

Masaru Emoto (江本勝, Emoto Masaru?, b. July 22, 1943, Yokohama, Japan) is an author known for his controversial claim that if human thoughts are directed at water before it is frozen, images of the resulting water crystals will be beautiful or ugly depending upon whether the thoughts were positive or negative. Emoto claims this can be achieved through prayer, music or by attaching written words to a container of water.

Since 1999 Emoto has published several volumes of a work titled Messages from Water, which contains photographs of water crystals next to essays and "words of intent".

No way I'm buying his book lol. My scientist sense in tingling, and make me say that guy is full of bull shit.
It's not that I don't believe in soul and everything...I seriously hope we have one, but I have some doubt about it having any impact on the real world.

i would imagine this to be no more magical than flying was to people of 200 years ago

200 years ago, they didnt have a complete list of the tool they have at their disposal tho. We kinda do...minus a few elemanty particles and dark matter (don't get your hope up with dark matter, every hypothesis hint about it being completely useless[/quote:23451]

hah, just because something's controversal doesn't mean it's not plausible... remember how controversial it was when somebody said creationism was a bunch of BS? XD

and his studies are not without scientific backings: people from many higher academic institutions in european and american have been involved with his research, and he has been invited to lectures around the world, including three ivy league universities (brown, cornell and another one... don't have book with me right now)

now, that's not to say i believe everything in that book; actually i find most of it hard to believe like most other people who think science before religion, but i also want to believe in the raw data because of how popular the subject has become on both sides of the globe, and extremely interested in finding out exactly how it works

[Enkidu]

Kids at home, don't do science if you never attended a physics class! Drop your science fiction novel and stick to relativity or other physics laws. Just because your technology is more advanced doesn't mean you can avoid physics.

Now, you are talking about a species in another galaxy? Are you kidding me? Your previous claim was unlikely, but this one is completly stupid.

Universe is 13 billions years old, and galaxy were created at the same time and are pretty much "static" since then. Galaxy can't be destroyed, even when they collide, they are just superposed.

The first generation of star couldnt have the element to create life, since they were only made of hydrogen/helium. A solar system that can hold life generally last 4-6 billion years, so a life form wouldnt be forced to change planet more than 2-3 times.

If such thing would happen, their space travel wouldnt be with wormhole, teleportation or faster than light travel, they would freeze themselves in a big ship and travel to the nearest planet they detected life. Going to another galaxy is out of the question.

Wow you're seriously deluded if you think a species could survive galaxy collision.

Here are some facts though, since you seem to be trying more to appeal to others then to actually post relevant information...

The earliest possible life after the big bang was about 4 billion years. Our solar system was formed about 4.5 billion years ago, or about 10 billion years after the big bang. That's a 6 billion year gap... Do you have any grasp on how long of a time that is? There is nothing at all stopping some advanced race from setting off on a journey 8 billion years ago to other galaxies/solar systems. I'm not saying there ARE other lifeforms coming from other galaxies, I'm saying it's DEFINITELY a possibility. To deny that would require at least some sort of evidence, which we both know you don't have.

Galaxy existed before any life form could have been born...they exist since the beginning of your universe. How could anyone see them forming? Even if they did, it's not possible to get the initial info to predict this. You can't observe the element in a galaxy with this accuracy. You could observe a close star formation and determine if there is a change that a planet with life exist...not determine if there is life, but that's about it.

No, no, no. You have a very poor understanding of galaxy formation. Globular clusters have existed mainly from the start, yes, but that is NOT what makes a galaxy. We know that our solar system formed around 4.5 billion years ago, we do not know when the milky way as it is today was formed. It's a continous process involving the constant release of material and formation of new stars and possibly planets. Considering again that alien life forms could have billions of year to observe such things, they could definitely observe the formation of our galaxy.

Again impossible is a strong word that you use way too often.

[Enkidu]

Actual restrictions like travelling faster then light in a common reference. There is no restriction to computing power, for example.

There is no restriction to computing power, there is restriction to the hardware. Still not sure what you mean by traveling faster than light. Yes, it's a restriction, and a big one.

You asked what parameters you're NOT adhering too. You're NOT adhering to actual restrictions, such as the speed of light. You're making up restrictions, basically pulling them out of your ass.

I hope they use quantum computer if they do space travel >_> Those computer are within the realm of possible, not the 2nd. Either way, your claim is stupid, because you have no idea what we are simulating exactly, and don't seem to realize your claim is miles aways from what we are doing. One is possible, while the other is not.

And its not dust that formed galaxy, it's hydrogen. But you obviously know that already... >_>

Do you even know the difference between quantum calculations and classical calculations? Do you even know what quantum mechanics is? Also hydrogen creates stars, the formation of THE RIGHT KIND OF GALAXY (ya know, like I made sure to mention about) would definitely involve tons of dust. And this would be quite visible.

[Enkidu]

Another thing, what exactly do you think a quantum computer would do? Even that article claims it's uses would only benefit quantum problems. Guess what, galaxy formation is the furthest thing from a quantum problem. You might as well use a TI-83+. Talk about not understanding what you're talking about...

They could do everything. And good luck making 128 bit decryption on your TI-83+ >_>

I guess physics isnt related to quantum problem oh well.

I think the problem here is that you don't realize the goal of a quantum computer. You just see the word quantum and think "that must be teh best". Look up exactly what quantum mechanics is and it's quite easy to realize why it might be good at decrypting something (hint: a random process) and why it might not be good at processing gravitational data (hint: a non-random process).

The one in medecine are, and it's the domain you mentioned. I know there is more like carbon tube and other stuff like bio computer, but that's beyond the point. I don't see how it prove my ignorance of technology, I'm definitively not an expert in chemistry, and I'm glad it's not relevant to the space domain

You do realize that "nano" just means on the order of 10^-9, right?

[crazyrabbit]

I always wondered if it could be posible to increase the power of our computer by changing from binary to ternary (0,1,2) numeral system. With how exact todays scanning devices are, it should be posible to tell the difference between 3 different voltages, or not? I realy don't know much about all the technical things behind this and my english isnt good enough to explain everything that comes to my mind either XD.
But this idea is always floating around in my head and i could never get an answer if it would be posible and if it would help computer to become faster and more efficient.

From my understanding this would be already a step into the direction of quantum computer which uses super-positions of the normal 0,1 bits or something like that.
In the end we could always just build mega big computer labs under the ocean (for cooling of the CPUs) but guess that is a money and resource problem.

[Jer]

I remember seeing something about the water guy when I watched 'What the Bleep Do We Know?' and remember thinking that it seems highly unlikely. Even if you make the leap that writing on a container holding water can change it's structure, how would it know the difference between good and bad writing. Of course then I found out that the person narrating and in charge of the movie was supposed to be channeling a 25,000 year old Atlantean wizard or some bullshit and pretty much disregarded everything in the movie. Edit: Except that which is known to be correct and has been duplicated by other scientists.

[Drinhkinn]

If a zombie would stumble on this thread, he'd find an all-you-can-eat buffet.

[Septimus]

One thing to remember is that the current accepted paradigm in a science will always flavor what you are taught for good or ill. (Yay! Application of my degree in History and Philosophy of Science.) Remember, before General Relativity plenty of people tried their hardest to pretend that the particularly problematic perihelion precession of Mercury was just perturbations from postulated planets. (Make the alliteration stop!)

To clarify my perplexing point (OK, I'll stop now), the convention wisdom of science throughout history has always been that what we know is 100% right and to believe that it explains everything that matters until someone comes along and sets what we know on fire to shift the paradigm. Things like the perihelion precession of Mercury were either explained away or out-right ignored because it didn't fit into the scope of what we knew at the time. While we may know a lot more now than we did back then, we still don't know everything.

Anyway, if you were to try to explain a Black Hole to someone 100 years ago, he would have looked at you like you were mad. The same thing if someone tried to explain something from 100, 1000, or 1000000 years in our future. Maybe someone will figure out how to convert Baryons to Tachyons to achieve faster than light travel, large scale Quantum Leaps, burrowing into the 5th dimension, or add-water instant wormholes. (I prefer Cup o' Wormhole™ myself.) No one knows what the future holds, provided our population isn't pulverized by planetary-sized space particles. (I think I need to see a doctor about this...)

[Tekki]

Or we can just use your Phantom spell

[Raineer]

Even if you could squeeze the Earth in a small neutron mass, it wouldn't open a wormhole. Imo, it's safe to assume something like this won't happen because we know what affect space/time, and we know it's out of reach.

I was certain I read an example about 6 months ago where this was tested on this planet and scientists were successful in bending time/space and using a "wormhole" type object to pass atoms through. I also know (this I am certain) that researchers have tested 'time travel' by sending sound waves by encoding them as light and then sending them at the speed of light.

True, these are not applied uses of the technology...however it's like you said earlier: Finding this planet brings up one (necessary) step closer to finding a planet hospitable like ours.

Well, even if it is only moving something that weighs 2 atomic mass 4 picoseconds into the future...it's a small and necessary step of the same.

[Septimus]

Or we can just use your Phantom spell

A phenomenal phantom would facilitate fast flitting to the furthest fathoms of the firmament.

[Kuya]

You guys ruined my thread with your talk of proton, neutron and, bobotron witchcraft.

And argueng with Kaylia is pointless because he is correctly using known laws to argue his point, in a scientific field, he won the argument. However, it is a valid point to say that we won't see the world the same way we do 1 thousand years from now, laws may change, or we may even find them to be wrong, but trying to convince someone of this, is akin to trying to make a atheist belive in God, you're just wasting your time.

Only thing that can prove Kalia wrong is time, and I don't think any of us will live long enough to see the results, so at this point its just speculation vs. current laws of science.

[Zhais]

Or we can just use your Phantom spell

A phenomenal phantom would facilitate fast flitting to the furthest fathoms of the firmament.

What a preposterous proposition! Our technology tethers us to our terra, no confounded concoction will create such a contraption!