09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

[Vade]

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0. It's the HD-DVD processing key you can use to decrypt and play most HD-DVD movies in Linux. Movie studios are going ballistic over this leak, so Digg the story up and make it reach the front page. The first time, the story got removed.


http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Spread_This_Number_Again

http://rudd-o.com/archives/2007/04/30/s ... is-number/

Crazy stuff going on at Digg right now. It's over 9000.

[Kwijiboe]

So basically, HD-DVDs will be the newest additions to torrentsites everywhere cutting profits from Home Video sales?

Or is this just a nerd orgy, where prepubuscent teens are spamming their enter keys working towards an eventual ytmnd fad?

Either way, can anyone tell me what this means exactly?

[Vade]

Here's a good article that explains what this means.

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/t ... dvdbl.html

[arlania]

That's pretty cool.

[Devek]

So basically, HD-DVDs will be the newest additions to torrentsites everywhere cutting profits from Home Video sales?

Or is this just a nerd orgy, where prepubuscent teens are spamming their enter keys working towards an eventual ytmnd fad?

Either way, can anyone tell me what this means exactly?

It is to protect hollywood from changing the "play" button to "pay".

These type of copy protections don't stop piracy (pirates still can copy the discs bit for bit, copy protection and all). The media companies want to control how and when you view 'content' and to prevent you from doing horrible things like, copy a DVD onto your iPod to watch on the road or watching movies on a non-*IAA supported operating system such as FreeBSD.

[Mysterio]

undercover Sony spies.

Sabotaging the competition.

[Kaylia]

undercover Sony spies.

Sabotaging the competition.

Probably hurt both company as much, since people won't care about the format of the movie they download, as long it's free

[Mysterio]

undercover Sony spies.

Sabotaging the competition.

Probably hurt both company as much, since people won't care about the format of the movie they download, as long it's free

Aren't like 80% of the big film companies only producing shows on blue-ray?

and the other 20% on HD-DVD?

[Xavier]

undercover Sony spies.

Sabotaging the competition.

Probably hurt both company as much, since people won't care about the format of the movie they download, as long it's free

Aren't like 80% of the big film companies only producing shows on blue-ray?

and the other 20% on HD-DVD?

Yes but 20% free > 80% that costs $30 + a $500-1200 player.

It doesn't do either company any good.

[Ichthyos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#Cor ... ry_support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray#Corporate_support

[Mysterio]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#Cor ... ry_support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray#Corporate_support

thanks for the link, to summarise it:

Currently, five Hollywood studios exclusively support Blu-ray Disc: Columbia Pictures, MGM, Disney, Lionsgate and 20th Century Fox (Columbia Pictures and MGM are owned by Sony Pictures)

Four Hollywood studios support both Blu-ray and HD DVD: Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks, Warner Bros. and New Line Cinema (the former two are owned by Viacom, and the latter two by Time Warner)

Two Hollywood studios exclusively support HD DVD: Universal Studios and the Weinstein Company.

Thats interesting, first semi legitimate statistics I've seen. As legit as Wiki can be I guess.

[GRT]

the declaration of a winner from this format war won't come from producing companies, but rental companies

once either blockbuster or netflix takes down either format, you know the war's over

[TsingTao]

the declaration of a winner from this format war won't come from producing companies, but the porn industry

Fixed. You don't expect it to play out differently than VHS/BetaMax do you? Porn sales > all by several orders of magnitude, they'll let you know who wins.

[Cheerios]

the declaration of a winner from this format war won't come from producing companies, but the porn industry

Fixed. You don't expect it to play out differently than VHS/BetaMax do you? Porn sales > all by several orders of magnitude, they'll let you know who wins.

I don't think people were downloading porn back when VHS was hot shit. Nobody's going to buy HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray discs for porn. Saying the porn industry is going to decide which format is the winner has 0 credibility in this day and age. You're about 20 years too late there.

[solsovly]

the declaration of a winner from this format war won't come from producing companies, but the porn industry

Fixed. You don't expect it to play out differently than VHS/BetaMax do you? Porn sales > all by several orders of magnitude, they'll let you know who wins.

I don't think people were downloading porn back when VHS was hot shit. Nobody's going to buy HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray discs for porn. Saying the porn industry is going to decide which format is the winner has 0 credibility in this day and age. You're about 20 years too late there.

You should see the revenue before you say they are irrelevant. They make a rediculous amount of money through legit dvd sales.

[aurik]

I think it's funny that they're sending DMCA takedown notices over this number.

Can you copyright a number? I don't think so. Copyright is for creative expressions, not for facts. It's been shown in court cases that you can't copyright things like entries in a phonebook.

Even if they somehow copyright the expression of this number as a creative work, nothing is going to stop someone from re-expressing the underlying number it some other way, say with a Haiku akin to what people did with the DeCSS code.

[Xavier]

the declaration of a winner from this format war won't come from producing companies, but the porn industry

Fixed. You don't expect it to play out differently than VHS/BetaMax do you? Porn sales > all by several orders of magnitude, they'll let you know who wins.

I don't think people were downloading porn back when VHS was hot shit. Nobody's going to buy HD-DVDs or Blu-Ray discs for porn. Saying the porn industry is going to decide which format is the winner has 0 credibility in this day and age. You're about 20 years too late there.

The porn industry generates revenue of $57 billion annually.

Sounds pretty irrelevant to me too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-DVD#Cor ... ry_support

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray#Corporate_support

thanks for the link, to summarise it:

Currently, five Hollywood studios exclusively support Blu-ray Disc: Columbia Pictures, MGM, Disney, Lionsgate and 20th Century Fox (Columbia Pictures and MGM are owned by Sony Pictures)

Four Hollywood studios support both Blu-ray and HD DVD: Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks, Warner Bros. and New Line Cinema (the former two are owned by Viacom, and the latter two by Time Warner)

Two Hollywood studios exclusively support HD DVD: Universal Studios and the Weinstein Company.

Thats interesting, first semi legitimate statistics I've seen. As legit as Wiki can be I guess.

That pretty much sums it up, but according to that Wiki article, "Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, The Perfect Storm, Troy, Poseiedon, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines and The Matrix Trilogy" are all currently HD-DVD exclusive from Warner Brothers, and those are basically some of their biggest recent movies. I'd just put Warner Brothers more towards HD-DVD than split between the two.

[Iyaca]

I think it's funny that they're sending DMCA takedown notices over this number.

Can you copyright a number? I don't think so. Copyright is for creative expressions, not for facts. It's been shown in court cases that you can't copyright things like entries in a phonebook.

Even if they somehow copyright the expression of this number as a creative work, nothing is going to stop someone from re-expressing the underlying number it some other way, say with a Haiku akin to what people did with the DeCSS code.

Unfortunately, the DMCA claim is because the number can be used to circumvent the DRM on copyrighted material (the movies), not because the number itself is copyrighted.

[aurik]

I think it's funny that they're sending DMCA takedown notices over this number.

Can you copyright a number? I don't think so. Copyright is for creative expressions, not for facts. It's been shown in court cases that you can't copyright things like entries in a phonebook.

Even if they somehow copyright the expression of this number as a creative work, nothing is going to stop someone from re-expressing the underlying number it some other way, say with a Haiku akin to what people did with the DeCSS code.

Unfortunately, the DMCA claim is because the number can be used to circumvent the DRM on copyrighted material (the movies), not because the number itself is copyrighted.

Except that you can't use takedown notices to take down material that you don't believe to be actually infringing on your copyrights. Unless they have a valid copyright claim for this NUMBER, they can't use section 512 takedown procedures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Cop ... fringement

[Ichthyos]

Yeah, it's clearly an abuse of the DMCA. ISP's, content hosts, etc have to comply with notices though, if I understand correctly (which I very well may not, since I'm not a lawyer). It's up to the content owners, bloggers, etc to then submit a counter notification (link is an example for dmca procedures set forth by Google). Only then will the hosts/ISP's be free of liability in putting the content back online.