Question About MNK WS

[Keno]

So to the best of my knowledge you cannot proc double attack on asuran so theres no point in wearing Brutal for WS, right? So whats the popular opinion on what MNKs should use? I've been using Triumph x2 recently because I had it from RNG but would it be beneficial to switch over to two mermans?

Also, for neck, is Faith Torque or Soil Gorget better in that slot? I've tried them both but have not been able to see which is better really. I just remember from some RNG guide a while back that they parsed it and the Torque was better for WS than the gorget for RNG. I was assuming the same would hold here, but am I wrong?

[Martinius]

if all hits connect, no, brutal earring is not worth it. however, let's say you landed 6 hits, you could theoretically double attack on two of the hits.

as far as i know, gorget for ws, torque for tp

[Keno]

if all hits connect, no, brutal earring is not worth it. however, let's say you landed 6 hits, you could theoretically double attack on two of the hits.

as far as i know, gorget for ws, torque for tp

I thought the consensus was that the max number of hits attempted in a round is 8, so even if you miss two asuran hits you're already at the cap of hits/round.

[Wizerd]

if all hits connect, no, brutal earring is not worth it. however, let's say you landed 6 hits, you could theoretically double attack on two of the hits.

as far as i know, gorget for ws, torque for tp

I thought the consensus was that the max number of hits attempted in a round is 8, so even if you miss two asuran hits you're already at the cap of hits/round.

That sounds more correct than what Martinius posted.

As far as I know, the Torque is better if it's going to bring your DMG up (the whole HTH DMG formula based on your HTH skill and such), but not if it won't. The Gorget would be better in the latter situation. Of course, this is assumption, and I'd wait for a response for Aurik before drawing any conclusive results.

[Nagamaki]

If your acc is capped (but not your attack) then torque is automatically better for multihit WS because the gorget will only affect fTP on your first hit, while the 7 attack (expanded by boost/berserk/any other applicable % attack boost) applies to every hit.

Whether the gorget is better when acc isn't capped I haven't been able to test successfully yet, I have a test methodology lined up for it but haven't actually tried it yet.

Regarding Double Attacks, the way regular rounds behave when using multihit weapons is by capping at 8 swings, not 8 hits (ie kraken+ridill and kraken swings and misses 8 times, ridill doesn't swing at all) so it is most likely that the behavior is the same on WS. Personal experience also tells me my AF acc when /NIN isn't any lower than it is on /WAR, which it should be if the base Double Attack trait allowed a chance to make up for misses.

[Blackice]

Merman's for WS most definitely, triumph's are pretty much useless for Asuran.

[Vaxx]

Merman's for WS most definitely, triumph's are pretty much useless for Asuran.

Pretty much the concensus of all monks that frequent forums like these nowadays.

[aurik]

With capped accuracy, gorget only adds like 10 damage to asuran fists. So if you're using sushi and hitting the 95% accuracy mark, use a torque for the attack.

Otherwise, gorget is king. Accuracy is king, and gorget is the best thing you can wear for accuracy.

Without any specific evidence, I have confidence that the accuracy affects all strikes--just like I'm sure it increases fTP for all strikes, but fTP is not multiplied in for strikes beyond the first.

[Keno]

Much in the same vain, swordbelt+1 or black belt for WS? And Byakko's Haidate or Shura Haidate? For the record I've been going with Shura H. and BB but if everyone thinks STR is useless on WS wouldn't it might be better to use sword belt+1? I don't know, I still think Shura H. is better than Byakko's H. and probably won't change that, but I'm thinking about changing the BB. Any help from you gurus I'd gladly appreciate, thanks.

[draxyl]

Shura + BB.

[fantasticdan]

Since it's an 8-hit ws, wouldn't life or potent belt be better than a swordbelt or BB in most situations?

[Judai]

bb & b.haidate, imo.

[Keno]

bb & b.haidate, imo.

But Asuran isn't crit based and 15 dex only gives 7.5 acc, whereas shura h. already gives 7 acc and also 5 str. I think thats a pretty easy choice.

[mai ikari]

Much in the same vain, swordbelt+1 or black belt for WS?

Is it just my server, or can MNK not equip swordbelt?

Swordbelt +1
(Waist) All Races
DEF: 5 Attack +12
Lv. 43 WAR / RDM / THF / PLD / DRK
BST / BRD / RNG / SAM / NIN / DRG / BLU / COR

[Ichthyos]

It's just your server! :D

[Allundaria]

Much in the same vain, swordbelt+1 or black belt for WS?

Is it just my server, or can MNK not equip swordbelt?

Swordbelt +1
(Waist) All Races
DEF: 5 Attack +12
Lv. 43 WAR / RDM / THF / PLD / DRK
BST / BRD / RNG / SAM / NIN / DRG / BLU / COR

Gasp, look its jobs that can actually equip swords as weapons. An SE-designed item that makes sense

No I don't count the weird rapiers that BLMs can equip

[Keno]

Yikes, yeah. I mistook Swordbelt for a Life belt type item (all jobs). I guess the choice is clear now.

[Shuemue]

I guess if you're eating meat and not consistently landing all 8 hits in AF, you could throw in life/potent. It'd just feel icky ever removing BB for me.