Xenogears

[Exoduso]

The best parts of the story are still ahead. Just wait until you find Dmitri.. (and listen to the music that plays during the 2nd boss fight, its fucking amazing..)

That sequences of event was seriously amazing (from the moment you see the Durandal in the background to Dmitri speech). I'm still amazed they managed to continue the game after that part, could easily have been the end of the game. The Xenogears cameos you encounter through the dungeon were also awesome.

I know... I read somewhere that this WAS supposed to be the end of one of the games in the original formula (when they planned 6 games) but since they cut it to 3 they slimmed it down completely... I mean honestly, just the URTV storyline in XS2 could've taken an entire game if they stretched it long enough with cutscenes/dungeons. Another game would've been the 6 months from the end of XS2 to the beginning of XS3, so that's already 5... and I guess they would've done the entire Zarathustra/Telos crap in the last title.

Nonetheless, I love how XS3 turned out. Abel's Ark was seriously fucking epic. (and same thing goes to the whole "fake miltia" thing with Shion's subconscious, the whole backstory of Virgil was really nice..)

[Xavier]

Shion is such a bitch, rofl.

Edit: Seems to be coming around, and I think I just saw Jesus preaching to a crowd.

[Exoduso]

Shion is such a bitch, rofl.

Edit: Seems to be coming around, and I think I just saw Jesus preaching to a crowd.

You're pretty far in... final dungeon coming up.

[Xavier]

Nevermind, she went back to bitch 10 minutes later. Damn Allen, damn.

Such an awesome series, reallllllly want more.

[Kaylia]

Edit: Seems to be coming around, and I think I just saw Jesus preaching to a crowd.

Jesus scene surprised me. Reference to christianism and Jesus are obvious throught the game, but I didnt expect them to actually show him lol

[Exoduso]

Edit: Seems to be coming around, and I think I just saw Jesus preaching to a crowd.

Jesus surprised. Reference to that are obvious for the whole game, but I didnt expect them to actually show him lol

I actually thought chaos was Jesus for most of XS3, especially because of that little convo he had with Wilhelm at the end of XS2.

[Kaylia]

Well, technically he was. They just tweaked the story a little to not piss off religious people I guess. He was simply a disciple, but he was the one doing all the miracles and stuff

[Exoduso]

Well, technically he was. They just tweaked the story a little to not piss off religious people I guess. He was simply a disciple, but he was the one doing all the miracles and stuff

Well yeah, they kind of made it look like chaos did all the miracles and let Jesus take the credit... I thought it was pretty stupid of them to involve Jesus/Mary either way, but whatever the storyline was still good...

I like how they use the names of the 12 jewish tribes as the ES crafts' names too.. (plus Dinah who was their sister or something like that I believe..) Probably the coolest thing in the series IMO along with Mary Magdalene.

[Kaylia]

Well yeah, they kind of made it look like chaos did all the miracles and let Jesus take the credit... I thought it was pretty stupid of them to involve Jesus/Mary either way, but whatever the storyline was still good...

I like how they use the names of the 12 jewish tribes as the ES crafts' names too.. (plus Dinah who was their sister or something like that I believe..) Probably the coolest thing in the series IMO along with Mary Magdalene.

Actually, the Jesus thing was said directly in the database or the japanese artbook. I guess they could have avoided making direct connection, but the symbolism used in both XG and XS already hint heavily toward that direction. Takahashi did say in a old interview that Fei was modelled on Jesus originally, but they toned it down to not offend people. Chaos was even more obvious.

Religious and literature symbolism used through the series was my favorite aspect of the game. There is so many them, and they are all interconnected...I had a lot of fun trying to figure their meanings. It's kinda amazing how they managed to fit so many differents symbolisms and make a coherant story with them.

[Xavier]

Well, technically he was. They just tweaked the story a little to not piss off religious people I guess. He was simply a disciple, but he was the one doing all the miracles and stuff

Well yeah, they kind of made it look like chaos did all the miracles and let Jesus take the credit... I thought it was pretty stupid of them to involve Jesus/Mary either way, but whatever the storyline was still good...

I like how they use the names of the 12 jewish tribes as the ES crafts' names too.. (plus Dinah who was their sister or something like that I believe..) Probably the coolest thing in the series IMO along with Mary Magdalene.

Theres a scene near the beginning where chaos and Nephilim are sitting on top of a building, and chaos reminds her that "a single will can change the course of history" and wants to believe its still true. I didn't understand it at the time, but I assume now that he was referencing back to Jesus Christ, and that he performed the miracles using the power of Anima for him, because he believed the man could change fate.

Also, do either of you know if the scene near the end where Jin is pierced with like 3 swords was bloodless in the Japanese version too? I saw the sword impale him and my first reaction was, "no blood..." He would've been guzzling as he lay there dying. Do you think hes definitely dead too, because chaos was confident that they'd all meet again, and after the credits has a line like, "it seems we still exist because the universe wills us to", and I couldn't help but wonder if Jin would've been revitalized in that time shift.

Whenever religion comes into games, the big trend always seems to be finding a way to "release the shackles" that bind mankind to their oppressive overseer. Some people are easily offended, but I love that kinda story, and thought Xenosaga did a great job bringing a lot of elements together. Shion made a comment near the end of the game, saying that even though Wilhelm's methods might of been wrong, she could understand his reasoning. I love when by the end of the story I almost see the heroes as the villains.

The way the game ended, I could totally see how they could expand it to 6 games, by introducing a new threat and creating a second trilogy of sorts.

[Exoduso]

Um, they took another blood scene out...

When Shion the kid finds her mom and she seems to hold something in her palms, in the jp version she actually holds blood and that's why she freaks out..

Also, there's definitely blood in the JP version, fucking NA rating ruined the game for us because they wanted to give the game an M rating unless those two scenes were altered... kinda sucks really.

Jin uncensored: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yhl8CiWal2I
Shion's summoning uncensored: http://youtube.com/watch?v=B1WZYSfg1ek

[Xavier]

I knew about the Shion scene (trying to put thin air back into her mother, lol!) and in that case, its not even well done, its editing that completely disrupts the story. The other two games were edited as well, but in those instances, the editing was more thoughtful.

[Exoduso]

I knew about the Shion scene (trying to put thin air back into her mother, lol!) and in that case, its not even well done, its editing that completely disrupts the story. The other two games were edited as well, but in those instances, the editing was more thoughtful.

I thought she was holding an organ tbh, it was the only thing that made sense at the time because she said to "put it back"...

Whatever... I liked Jin's speech at the end though.

[Kaylia]

Theres a scene near the beginning where chaos and Nephilim are sitting on top of a building, and chaos reminds her that "a single will can change the course of history" and wants to believe its still true. I didn't understand it at the time, but I assume now that he was referencing back to Jesus Christ, and that he performed the miracles using the power of Anima for him, because he believed the man could change fate.

Also, do either of you know if the scene near the end where Jin is pierced with like 3 swords was bloodless in the Japanese version too? I saw the sword impale him and my first reaction was, "no blood..." He would've been guzzling as he lay there dying. Do you think hes definitely dead too, because chaos was confident that they'd all meet again, and after the credits has a line like, "it seems we still exist because the universe wills us to", and I couldn't help but wonder if Jin would've been revitalized in that time shift.

Whenever religion comes into games, the big trend always seems to be finding a way to "release the shackles" that bind mankind to their oppressive overseer. Some people are easily offended, but I love that kinda story, and thought Xenosaga did a great job bringing a lot of elements together. Shion made a comment near the end of the game, saying that even though Wilhelm's methods might of been wrong, she could understand his reasoning. I love when by the end of the story I almost see the heroes as the villains.

The way the game ended, I could totally see how they could expand it to 6 games, by introducing a new threat and creating a second trilogy of sorts.

Exo posted, but Jin's scene was also heavily censored. Basically, censor went out like this:
1) Removed all the blood near corpse, and random blood on wall/floor. Carnage scene like that "truck" with dead scientist and the whole hospital during gnosis carnage were almost clean.
2) They took out the blood in Shion's hand during the summoning
3) Screen faded to black whe Dmitri attacked the durandal and one soldier got headshotted on the groud (you see a pretty splash in the jp version
4) Shion's shower scene was censored to show less side boob
5) Margulis's death was altered from suicide to explosion...well, camera show it from a different angle and its impossible to tell he is killing himself with his sword.
6) Jin is made of rubber and doesnt bleed anymore.

That's about it for the censor...can't think of anything else. I don't think it ruined the game, but it was stupid to take it out. Anyway, can get most of them on youtube.


The whole ending was taken directly from the bible. Basically, at the apocalypse, Jesus take a select few, go back to Earth to start a new genesis. That's exactly what happened in Xenosaga, and all gnosis who gathered, Abel, Nephilim and Jin (most likely) should be resurected for a new genesis. Indirectly, Xenogears also begin with the genesis with Abel. Considering both chaos and wilhelm are manifestation of mankind's desire, it's not too much of a stretch to think Wilhelm isn't completely gone, and could reappears at the new genesis as the snake (symbolically) or Cain.


Am i the only one who remembed Soylent system when every human started turning into gnosis for no reason? That part was one of my favorite in XS (and XG).

[Exoduso]

I didn't know so much was being censored, I thought it was just those two scenes... oh well, they seem to be the ones that impacted people the most, since they didn't really make sense.

[Zagnutz]

What's cooler in a game than finding out the city/dungeon you've just been mucking about in is a transformer? Then you get to do battle as if you were the SDF-1 from robotech/macross! Xenogears = Good Times. You are depriving yourself of an honest to goodness classic if you don't finish this game, regardless of how much disc 2 jumps around.