Woodville's or Maneater for mainhand? (offhanding Ridill)

[RKenshin]

GDI I was making ninja edits and you went and ruined it.

But thanks for chiming in!
asshole

[Allundaria]

I know it's sooo 2005 but Heca for SATA Steel Cyclone?

[RKenshin]

Between which options?

Osode of it's available IMO before heca/haub, otherwise if it's just NQ Haub vs Heca I'd probably go with Heca in that situation. Steel Cyclone's STR mod is almost twice as high, and it takes more STR to hit the fSTR cap (I think? correct if wrong!)... Where as Rampage's mod isn't as high, and caps off with less STR.

So again, I'd go with Haub for Rampage and Osode for SC.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

I remember when I first got WAR to 75 I thought the best way to go was Rid/Joy in exp. When I first tried it, it was fun but it wasn't all too impressive in comparison to using Jugg/Rid (or later Man/Rid). I tried it a good deal of times in different PTs, and the results were just about always the same. I figured I just didn't have the gear/merits for it yet, then later shortly after ToA came out me and another decked out WAR/NIN I often PT with did an exp spree netting around 120-180 merits worth of exp over a few months.

At the time we both had recently finished off our WAR gear, having basically everything aside from some HQ abjs/dusk/etc. In all of those PTs we did a lot of switching back in forth between gear to compare gear sets, food choices, combinations of the two, etc.

The WAR in question is Lhexh, and he can vouch for me when I say that if I remember it all correctly, in comparing either of us using Rid/Joy vs Axe/Rid it was lower output. Normally we'd both be almost equal on the parse (actual results were relatively the same between the 2-3 PT members that would usually be parsing each PT), but using Rid/Joy that person would fall behind. Originally Lhexh was the most determined to try it, and had the full set of merits (ie, capped sword) along with the same (if not better) gear. Blackice, who also has just about the same gear/merits, also had the same results if I remember correctly. I'm sure he could chime in too.

In the end though the results showed the lower WS average, lower damage per hit, and often slightly lower accuracy, didn't make up for the higher number of swings and the higher number of WS.

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Weird, because my Rid/Joy/DEX build always parses 5-6% higher than an equally well geared Axe/Ridill combo. I used to be a die-hard fan of Rampage and Jug/Ridill but I decided to switch when I realized I could've done slightly higher damage and actually look way cooler dual wielding two multi-hit swords. However I'm just talking about merit parties here, in most HNM situations I'd still stick with Juggernaut or Maneater, depending on the opponent's characteristics.

Over the course of 1600 hits the difference between Maneater/Ridill and Ridill/Joy is about +300 hits, give or take and the Avg. melee hit and WS average generally only 10ish and 100ish lower, respectively, in a rather demanding camp like Jade Sepulcher, with both melee eating the same food.

I doubt you're gonna debate on which combo would be better on Greater Colibri, at least I hope.

The combo only works if you aren't lazy and start smashing your WS macro at around 80% TP though, if you're gonna let a round of attack or two slip in everytime you hit 100% TPs (occurrance that happens more often than not if you aren't being careful, especially with 2x Marches and such a low combined delay) you'd probably get better performances overall using a slower weapon choice, relying on a stronger weapon skill.

Honestly I find myself being able to hold hate off BB-MNK/WAR's (which doesn't necessarily mean winning the parser but rather keeping up allowing em to go all out and actually survive until the end of the fight) exclusively when I'm using Ridill/Joy, that being said, to each his own style, I doubt the difference between 2 equally geared Warriors, one merited toward Axe/Ridill and the other capable of unlocking the 2 swords-combo full potential would be macroscopic anyway, even though a noticeable difference (assuming you're doing it right, eh), especially in the most popular ToAU camps (that are overcrowded by mobs weak to piercing damage) definately exists.

[Sonomaa]

I merited with xavier in mire and I was about 2ish% lower than he was vs his man/ridill, so its pretty close, I switched to juggy/ridill for the last 30 or so of the party and caught up to about 1% so I think that juggy/ridill is best for almost all occasions but there are times where ridill/joy is amazing

nyzul isle + boss mob + attack drinks + mighty strikes with revitilizer = exceptional cruelty of enjoyment

[RKenshin]

@Sea, honestly I'm not trying to argue it lol.. I'm just providing my experiences with it. As you said perfectly, to each his own style!

Either way, pimping out gear/merits in favor of either combination results in heavy damage.

[Lhexh]

I was the one who was gungho about Ridill/Joy, I was damn sure I could kick Ruk's ass with it since my gear is better than his, but no matter which gear/food combo I chose I couldn't get it to outparse Axe/Ridill. Accuracy was never really a problem since I have full sword merits, but I tried both sushi and red curry builds, always with 2 BRDs and I just kept falling further behind ruk with it. The biggest issue I noticed was WS average, I would get in the 750-800 range at best with Vorpal Blade, but Maneater was giving me 950-1000 average and that loss in WS damage, as well as around 9-10 damage/hit decrease, just never seemed to make up for the extra hits for me.

Of course this was all done at Mamool Staging Point, I have no doubt in my mind I would see different results if I tried this at Greater Colibiri camp, but I just prefer xping at Mamool.

[donnie]

PUMP

so question : has anyone tried retributor? iv been thinking todo the KS30 to get it seems a DMG:46 with a critical hit rate+6% is comparable to maneater .

now into more details : anyone tried this with stacking critical hit merits , some more dex equip that u would get like 50% str and 50% dex on equip set up?

[Minions]

Delay: 312

NO


Also

46dmg crit+6% vs DMG 49 Accuracy 5 Attack 18

Even if the delay was equal I wouldnt use it.

[SephYuyX]

The Muppet version is the best
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[donnie]

Delay: 312

NO


Also

46dmg crit+6% vs DMG 49 Accuracy 5 Attack 18

Even if the delay was equal I wouldnt use it.

yea i cant agree more , but my point was that rampage is a WS that is based on critical hits , and if ur pretty well stacked in equips , and u got that axe already , and have maxed critical hit rate merits , might be worth testing.

[Therin]

That's what I thought. Also, is it better to Rampage in Haub+1 or Hecatomb Harness?

Definitely Haub+1 as Rampage is a critical based weaponskill. Hecatomb Harness is one of those pieces you use for single-hit weaponskills on /THF.

[Falaras]

Delay: 312

NO


Also

46dmg crit+6% vs DMG 49 Accuracy 5 Attack 18

Even if the delay was equal I wouldnt use it.

yea i cant agree more , but my point was that rampage is a WS that is based on critical hits , and if ur pretty well stacked in equips , and u got that axe already , and have maxed critical hit rate merits , might be worth testing.

Dual weilded its Crit+3%, now ask yourself does Crit+3% beat Atk+18 Acc+5 3 base damage and a huge delay reduction? No it doesn't.

[Sanjiyan]

So is there any reason for a WAR to get a Heca Harness except for the look?

I mean I have an osode for SATA SC with /THF, and of course a Haub for anything else. I'm next in line for a Heca Harness and having trouble figuring out where I would use it. WAR/SAM Raging Rush in exp? WAR/SAM SC spamming in HNMs? I originally got it for Rampage in merit parties, but have "seen the light" in terms of the mathematics of FFXI to know Haub is probably better.

Any ideas? Or is Heca Harness the territory of DRKs, THFs, and DRGs nowadays?

[Minions]

So is there any reason for a WAR to get a Heca Harness except for the look?

I mean I have an osode for SATA SC with /THF, and of course a Haub for anything else. I'm next in line for a Heca Harness and having trouble figuring out where I would use it. WAR/SAM Raging Rush in exp? WAR/SAM SC spamming in HNMs? I originally got it for Rampage in merit parties, but have "seen the light" in terms of the mathematics of FFXI to know Haub is probably better.

Any ideas? Or is Heca Harness the territory of DRKs, THFs, and DRGs nowadays?

And of course PLD with greatswords.

[Xrave]

Maneater is definetly a better choice than Ridill, however Jugg is probably the best option if money isn't a concern.

Also, what is your sig from:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...4345671248.gif

[Stromgarde]

Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Also, when you said maneater > ridill, you meant maneater > woody, right?

[ninjafox]

Maneater is definetly a better choice than Ridill, however Jugg is probably the best option if money isn't a concern.

Also, what is your sig from:
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...4345671248.gif

Can you explain this or was this a typo? >.>

[moguri]

omfg nothing is better than ridill EXPLAIN YOURSELF>

[Xrave]

Yea typo, meant Maneater > Woody