Sushi + Haub on pld...

[Razzley]

Wow, no wonder your JP party members were so pissed off. You need to put on a Byrnie or a Byrnie +1. Hauby aint the way to go for a PLD. Think about it

[Xaru]

Wow, no wonder your JP party members were so pissed off. You fall under the basic idiotic NA Paladin. Why the hell would you wear a Haubergeon on PLD? Also, for that matter why would you wear PLD AF on PLD? Both of those are garbage. Wearing Haubergeon on PLD is counter-productive to your purpose, to hold hate and mitigate damage. Your not in a PT to do damage. You need to put on a Byrnie or a Byrnie +1 and stop being such a n00b. Thanks for adding to the already large dis-liking JP players already have for NA PLD.

A PLDs role isn't to mitigate damage (granted it's an important aspect to the job,) the role is to keep the mobs attention and one of the best ways to do that now is to deal a decent amount of damage. Watch an untrained BLM and you'll realise that--DD as a method to keep hate has been an established method of tanking for some time now.

[NynJa]

Wow, no wonder your JP party members were so pissed off. You need to put on a Byrnie or a Byrnie +1. Hauby aint the way to go for a PLD. Think about it

Funny because like I said, I had been tanking those same mobs, in the same setup, for the past 3 levels...and I never had those kinda problems. Could be because the "stupid retard" NA mages that I had been xping with from 63-65 would cast Barfira on me, whereas the "SUPERSMART" JP's didnt (fucker rdm had problems keeping refresh on me) ?? I dont know...



Stat Wise
Haub: 45DEF Strength +5 Dexterity +5 Agility -5 Accuracy +10 Attack +10 Evasion -20
AF Body: 47DEF HP +20 Vitality +4 Divine Magic Skill +5 Enmity +2
Byrnie: 46DEF HP +25 Strength +3 Dexterity -3 Vitality +3 Agility -3 Intelligence -3 Mind -3 Charisma -3 Attack +20

I guess the 3 VIT and 1 extra DEF on the Byrnie will migitate oh so much damage that I should buy another piece of armor to replace the one I allready had from when I lvled warrior ??

[Sendra]

Wow, no wonder your JP party members were so pissed off. You need to put on a Byrnie or a Byrnie +1. Hauby aint the way to go for a PLD. Think about it

You need to go back to allakhazam like.. nowish. Think about it.

[Syanonn]

I just leveled PLD to 75 not too long ago here some of my experiences.... some might be wrong

I used both Haub and AF body, and preferred AF body in most cases. Never tried a byrnie and PLD/WAR the whole way to 75. I used Def food for the most part, tacos or shallops tropicale. Acc wasnt much of a problem with acc rings, swift/life belt, and I also had ice gauntlets.
Usually, I only macro in Haub and other DD equipments for WS, but will wear Haub full time if I am having a really hard time keeping hate. I feel I block alot less with shield when I use Haub especially vs the ITs because of the -5 AGI, and then taking hits after flashing the mob due to the -20 evasion which rarely happens to me if I wear AF body. Granted that I do alot less damage in this setup, but I also tank alot less damage especially for PTs that doesnt have too much healing.

I also did try using terra staff tanking, but the new shield system made shields seem so good that I found that it wasnt worth using terra staff. No spell interruption when blocked, and very high block rate even on ITs if you have decent shield skills.

PLD/WAR sucks if you dont have a rdm refreshing you, people dont really stand in the right spots for ballad or evoker rolls these days. And I found the erucas frying me regardless of barfire when it uses at high HP.

[Razzley]

Nah man Byrnie+1 Byrnie+1. Get more VIT, more HP, more DEF, and attack +25. And you don't lose all that Evasion.
Whats more effective for a PLD? A PLD who can take a little bit more damage, and have 30+HP. Or a PLD that does a little more than insignificant damage?

[Julian]

I exped all the way to 75 in vcloak and terra's staff =D (before all the shield changes)

but yeah, those JPs are retarded, you shoulda said back "JPidiotsTooWeak" or something, warped, and if they for some reason replaced you, make another party and camp on top of them, and showed them how it's done.

[Thazienne]

I exped all the way to 75 in vcloak and terra's staff =D (before all the shield changes)

but yeah, those JPs are retarded, you shoulda said back "JPidiotsTooWeak" or something, warped, and if they for some reason replaced you, make another party and camp on top of them, and showed them how it's done.

I've found this to be too much fun. It truely makes the game enjoyable.

[NynJa]

Nah man Byrnie+1 Byrnie+1. Get more VIT, more HP, more DEF, and attack +25. And you don't lose all that Evasion.
Whats more effective for a PLD? A PLD who can take a little bit more damage, and have 30+HP. Or a PLD that does a little more than insignificant damage?

I wasnt posting here to comment on the capabilities of what a PLD can do, but since you seem to think "LOLPLDINSIGINFICANT DMG", heres a parse from when I was 60ish in Aydeewa.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8979/lolpldto1.jpg
1st MNK was mithra, very well geared
2nd MNK was Galka, decently geared.

If I'm able to parse equivalent to a decently geared monk, despite the fact I'm unable to use Berserk except for when I stack it onto Sentinel, why shouldnt I ?? Its not like I'm getting absolutely buttraped for 200 dmg a hit against me.

[Rai]

I just leveled PLD to 75 not too long ago here some of my experiences.... some might be wrong

I used both Haub and AF body, and preferred AF body in most cases. Never tried a byrnie and PLD/WAR the whole way to 75. I used Def food for the most part, tacos or shallops tropicale. Acc wasnt much of a problem with acc rings, swift/life belt, and I also had ice gauntlets.
Usually, I only macro in Haub and other DD equipments for WS, but will wear Haub full time if I am having a really hard time keeping hate. I feel I block alot less with shield when I use Haub especially vs the ITs because of the -5 AGI, and then taking hits after flashing the mob due to the -20 evasion which rarely happens to me if I wear AF body. Granted that I do alot less damage in this setup, but I also tank alot less damage especially for PTs that doesnt have too much healing.

I also did try using terra staff tanking, but the new shield system made shields seem so good that I found that it wasnt worth using terra staff. No spell interruption when blocked, and very high block rate even on ITs if you have decent shield skills.

PLD/WAR sucks if you dont have a rdm refreshing you, people dont really stand in the right spots for ballad or evoker rolls these days. And I found the erucas frying me regardless of barfire when it uses at high HP.

A few things I'd like to note to this post:

- As some wise person here once stated: PLDs don't evade (at, let's say, 50+), mobs miss. 20 eva won't make that much a difference when you're a brick wall to begin with.

- Lower shield block rate resulted from higher mob levels rather than 5 AGI. Capped shield skill and shield size also have a far bigger influence on procrate than 5 AGI. It seems quite unlikely to me that equipping AF body over Haub would make any noticeable difference.

- Regarding "PLD/WAR sucks without refresh" ... it's not fun to tank like that, I agree. But once you get to AU areas you can just slap on Parade Gorget and get refresh sanction for 2~3 MP/tic which *should* be enough for your average exp party (unless you're overcamping).

As for my personal PLD leveling experience, I've duo'ed PLD with a COR from ~20 all the way till 69 (with a twoboxed WHM curing from outside) so I had a lot of possibilities to test all kinda gear setups. Bottom line was, as long as you got a shield equipped and capped or nearly capped skill, you will automatically mitigate enough damage to tank/not die. Of course if your party is overhunting on IT++++++ you'll take a serious beating, but that happens even if you use full DEF/VIT gear and tank food.

If I had to level PLD again "in the wild" (read: pickup parties), I'd only use meat/sushi and gear myself offensively. There's no reason to go all VIT/DEF and waste potential DD capablitlies. Of course there's always those "I have PLD at 75 and you must use DEF gear or I'll kick you" idiots just like in that one party in Mire where the leader freaked out when I tanked in Haub/Ohat/Dusk Gloves/Pants + meat. But it's up to you if you want to change your gear for them or just leave the party.

[Amastacia]

Nah man Byrnie+1 Byrnie+1. Get more VIT, more HP, more DEF, and attack +25. And you don't lose all that Evasion.
Whats more effective for a PLD? A PLD who can take a little bit more damage, and have 30+HP. Or a PLD that does a little more than insignificant damage?

You sir, are a colossal retard.

10 Acc on a Haub (or since you're doing the incredibly moronic Byrnie +1 thing, 12 on Haub+1) is going to do more for hate than another 13-15 Att, a couple lolworthy points of VIT, a couple lolworthy points of Def, and the completely and utterly lolworthy HP.

Who cares if you take a couple more points of damage so long as you hold better hate and do not force any downtime (or any more than there already would have been regardless of what you're wearing to tank in)?

30 HP only matters if you're getting 1shotted by less than 30 HP if your healer isn't a mouth-breathing retard, and if you're staying in a party with such a healer, there are other issues.

[Razzley]

but since you seem to think "LOLPLDINSIGINFICANT DMG", heres a parse from when I was 60ish in Aydeewa.

You sir, are a colossal retard.

Wow take a deep breath.

Anyways:

Nynja what Race are you? I'm a Tarutaru, so personally I would rather have a Byrnie+1 as well as Behemoth Mantle+1 for the Attk and the HP+. You must not be a Tarutaru, since you don't feel the need for VIT or HP . . .

[Sendra]

Wow take a deep breath.

Anyways:

Nynja what Race are you? I'm a Tarutaru, so personally I would rather have a Byrnie+1 as well as Behemoth Mantle+1 for the Attk and the HP+. You must not be a Tarutaru, since you don't feel the need for VIT or HP . . .

VIT doesn't do shit, and HP doesn't do shit in EXP outside of Erucas.

[Priran]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8979/lolpldto1.jpg
1st MNK was mithra, very well geared
2nd MNK was Galka, decently geared.

2nd MNK was pulling in a whole 70% ACC with a 5% Crit rate. The fact that he was parsing 68% of the other MNK's damage should probably tell you something.

I'm not saying you're doing bad damage, but jesus christ did you find a terrible MNK.

[NynJa]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8979/lolpldto1.jpg
1st MNK was mithra, very well geared
2nd MNK was Galka, decently geared.

2nd MNK was pulling in a whole 70% ACC with a 5% Crit rate. The fact that he was parsing 68% of the other MNK's damage should probably tell you something.

I'm not saying you're doing bad damage, but jesus christ did you find a terrible MNK.

Not to rag on the monk, cause I partied w/ him again a couple days ago and he seemed fine, I think he was 2-3 lvls below me and the other monk at the time, which may have been the cause of his lower output.

[Bagel]

Is there a reason why Fenrir has the highest crit rate besides just fluke?

[Kabbalah]

No problem with it at all. If anything, you've made a mistake in one regard: You thought that the idiots had some merit to their argument because they were from Japan. Just because they're from Japan doesn't mean they're going to be good at the game. North American players have been making their own leaps and bounds in this game too, y'know.

Yes, you can tank in your offensive gear if your damage output and accuracy justifies it. (Very important part here: if you're doing jack for damage, then switch back to defensive gear.) Can you keep the mob's attention? Are you keeping the mob's attention? Then you're doing your job. All you really need to ensure is that your shield skill is as high as possible at all times, and your support crew has your back. However, if your WHM and support can't keep up, you might want to switch back to defensive gear for their good.

On the subject of Incinerate, check the day you're fighting Eruca: they really suck on Firesday. In all cases, request Barfira.

[NynJa]

The Japanese argument was purely sarcasm, based on the stigma that "JP's are all knowing and NA's are retards".

I just got out of another Eruca party:
PLD DRG MNK NIN BLM RDM
8k/hr over an hr and a half, 0 deaths.

The party in question when I made this post:
PLD SAM THF MNK RDM WHM
When I wasnt dying, expwatch was stating we were pulling around 6k/hr.


My gear hasnt changed since that party and this one.

[Tajin]

A (better?) lolBarfira?


-.- cant belive i asked

[Yutuyu]

I know that endgame tanking in DD gear is definitely the way to go. I think it's because you're XPing on T-VT things primarily, but even the occaisional low end IT Mamool isn't really a big deal.

A few things I noticed though throughout the course of the post.

- Like people have been saying, Incinerate is a fire breath attack, it is HP based. You can either wear a resist setup or just notify people that it's HP based and that you need to lower HP quickly to take the edge off of it. It really only hruts badly in the first 40% fight, notify your DDs and ask them to be less cautious and save TP as an opener to avoid getting hurt badly by it.

- Do not dual wield Joyuese unless you can do it with a Justice Sword. Overall it will cut down on your hits, because the other weapon you wield with it is not a 2 hit weapon. As such, PLD/WAR is much better damage unless you have Joyuese & Justice. Might even be better than because the extra attack and berserk really helps.

- Justice Sword is really nice. It's got 2x attack that fires on both weapon skills and on normal attacks, unlike Joyuese which 2x attack only fires on normal attacks. That makes Justice Sword pretty insane for WSing, it's almost a guaranteed addition of 1 attack on Vorpal.

- Even with Berserk up you won't get hit very hard endgame, oddly.



PLD actually makes a modest DD. You won't outparse any DD jobs, but you will do decently, backup heal, and play the roles of first voke. Rampart is nice for lowing Firespit damage, and generally PLD is great in a pinch.