Salvage Changes

[Ayn]

Words fail me. Get back to discussing Salvage changes, please.

Has anyone else noticed the following:

Higher spawn rates of Gate Widow / Skirmish Pephedro (one group saying it spawned multiple times, Wafik's getting boned)
Increase in cell drops from Wamoura / Flans on 1st / 2nd floor of Bhaflau

Mamools in Zhayolm dropping more HP/MP cells?
Mamools in Zhayolm (on 2nd floor) dropping Cumulus Cells more regularly?

[Sci]

Hard to say if there's been higher pop rates of NMs from the Bhaflau Ramparts, some people have reported 0 pops, others have reported a lot. Seems about the same.

Personally the only zone I've done since the update has been Arrapago, and there's just an increased drop rate on all the mobs it seems. The chest at the start practically lets you skip the entire 1st floor if you really felt like it. Have the group start pulling, and send someone to the porter you want to go up.

And for this whole argument. I don't use windower, TParty, distance plugins, map packs, longer macros, or anything. My group just pulls mobs in Zhayolm until 2 of them drop cells, and we leave the others. And we killed the boss pre-patch without trouble. And I wouldn't let someone in my group modify dats to pull the cell dropping mobs only. Sorry, it just seems wrong to me, but that's only my opinion. I have no relation to Aurik/LW or anyone else who posts here much. My group also doesn't MNK tank bosses and doesn't manaburn them either. I think that covers most of the criteria to say I don't like dat modifying for pulling in Zhayolm heh.

[ff_gmr]

We got 10 gate widow pops last night, and 3 drops. Night before last 0 gate widow pops.

[Wulfgang]

0 Skirmish Pephredos, don't think the NM rate has changed but it is infinitely easier imo with the starting crate and the increase in imbued items. For our last LBC we had 3 Revitalizers lol.

[Wizerd]

I used .DAT mods in Zhayolm the few times I did it, but I know my group ain't as good as SML. 0 Upgraded pieces so far.

But we did get a Deimos's Cuirass last night! So maybe that will change soon. :D

Also, obligatory wtf @ Beckwin & wireframe mode even tho no one gives a shit lol.


Sorry Beckwin but:
Hey Beckwin guess what my group got last night! Oh wait you know. <3
Etc.

[Keider]

Seems like Bhaflau 35s (drops, not pops) might have been increased, if anything. Every post I've seen since the update that mentions more than one NM popping says they also got at least one 35 to drop, often multiples.

brb math

[divisortheory]

I think the actual drops themselves were always on the order of 20% or so. Just a guess, but definitely wsn't anywhere close to Arrapago or Silver Sea 35 NMs. With some people reporting 12 pops it's no surprise they're getting multiple drops. It's possible they increased either drops or pops, but I'm not totally convinced yet.

[Not Kuno]

Maybe my threat wasn't clear before. Stop this shit unless you want a lifetime membership to the banned club.

[Ryko]

>_> They went back to the original topic.

[Not Kuno]

Oh well in other news we had a QQA drop 2 magic last run. o.O

[Bleu]

Oh well in other news we had a QQA drop 2 magic last run. o.O

OMG we were TOSSING magics by 2F in Arrapago last night.

We still went 0/5 on Lv 35 NMs, so I don't suspect anything has changed for gear drop rates.

[safer]

mentioned this before, but before the update 0/1902317318 NMs in bhaflau

after the update 0/400~ on gatewidow and skirmish combined (mixture of night and day too and w/e crazy theory people have come up with)

at this point i dont even believe these NMs exist and you are all photoshopping ur pics

[Ayn]

Oh well in other news we had a QQA drop 2 magic last run. o.O

SPEAK NOT OF MAGIC IN ARRAPAGO TO ME.

/emo

[Mertron]

mentioned this before, but before the update 0/1902317318 NMs in bhaflau

after the update 0/400~ on gatewidow and skirmish combined (mixture of night and day too and w/e crazy theory people have come up with)

at this point i dont even believe these NMs exist and you are all photoshopping ur pics

dont lie safer

0/300, bomber wasnt up first run >o

but yeah as far as drop rates/nm pops being upped, 1/3 QQTH, 1/2 QQA, 0/6 Arch Chariot (2 kills 0 drops), and no nms popping in bhaflau from ramparts over 2 runs.

Does anyone on fairy have any khroma ores for sale, plz contact aemora D:

[Keider]

Okay, checked out all the reports of NMs popping in Bhaflau on here and the drops that were mentioned. Really small sample and people might have not posted whether they got tons of NMs with no drops, but anyway:

Source data crap:
2 Widows: 1 Marduk
6 Widows: 1 Marduk 2 Morrigan
2 Widows: 0
10 Widows: 3 Somethings (also didn't say)
4 Pephredos: 1 Something (didn't say)
6 Pephredos: 3 Usukane 1 Skadi (one dropped both if that matters)

Gonna assume they didn't do anything weird like make Hikazu Sune-Ate drop less than Freya's Mask so just gonna lump all the 35s together:

Gate Widow: 7/20 (35%)
Skirmish Pephredo: 5/10 (50%)
Total: 12/30 (40%)

Want more data to go with this because even 35% seems too good to be true. Hoping people keep posting what they get (if anything) anytime they see an NM.

[Kirbyprime]

4 Pephredos: 1 Something (didn't say)

I'm assuming this is mine,and it was Usukane that dropped.

[Beckwin]

I used .DAT mods in Zhayolm the few times I did it, but I know my group ain't as good as SML. 0 Upgraded pieces so far.

But we did get a Deimos's Cuirass last night! So maybe that will change soon. :D

Also, obligatory wtf @ Beckwin & wireframe mode even tho no one gives a shit lol.


Sorry Beckwin but:
Hey Beckwin guess what my group got last night! Oh wait you know. <3
Etc.

The absurdity was intended. And yeah yeah yeah, heard about your Deimos drop. We're due for one ; ; We did get Freya's Ledelsens though, kinda cool.

[futceez]

Should we go back to theories about the reactionary ramparts in Bhaflau? Maybe it's not moon phase/day/time. Maybe there's a condition (what you kill/don't kill/keep rr claimed/how you claim the rr/how fast you kill the summons). Or maybe there's a way to tell if it will summon any NMs at all (maybe like how there's a way to tell if pirates will attack the selbina boat). Or maybe only 2 out of the 4 rr will pop NMs in a run (haven't seen anyone post any more than 2 rr summoning NMs in a run). There's gotta be some sort of pattern.

We could always just stick to thinking its "just random" and you need to get lucky to get a rampart that will summon NMs.

[Suiram]

I started a moonphase data collection thread, but when we took a group to do some actual data collection, operating under the premise that each rampart had its own block of moonphases for which it would pop NMs, we got 4 spiders and a couple bees all on the same vanadiel day lol Although, it was the ingame time of day that people are suggesting (day for spiders, night for bees), but I've become a skeptic now, too.

[Almalexia]

I don't want to believe NMs are a completely random, but there doesn't seem to be any situation or trigger that influences NMs to spawn other than sheer luck.

I've resorted to having the THF mug the Reactionary Rampart to start. Superstition wut.