Post patch Nyzul Isle Assault

[Underverk]

Yeah, the droprate change is scheduled for the next patch, but it will most likely "just" be one random piece guaranteed as opposed to all 3 of them . It's still a welcome change though, the droprate of the pieces right now is far less than generous (even with TH4).

Oh and the key item I mentioned in my previous post was the runic key (it was his first floor 100 clear).

[Midnightjade]

It's still a welcome change though, the droprate of the pieces right now is far less than generous (even with TH4).

QFT. The last couple of weeks I've been at the level 80 boss 9 times, almost all of them wins, and not a single drop, including runs where we had TH4. Overall our group is approximately 3 of 16 on that floor, one each of Askar, Goliard and Denali.

Going 4 more times tomorrow and I'm hoping to finally see something drop, don't care whether I get it or not.

[Arthars]

i have people telling me they dying to do salvage everyday, and at the same time, they burn 4 tags on nyzul a week..............

no they dont have 60k AP stored up before hand

[Pninja]

Off topic a bit. My STP has farmed Nyzul Isle for gear over 40 times I'd guess, so we're not exactly new at it, and we just did runs last night and noticed something slightly strange. We farmed Floor40 and got Fafnir as the HNM, but there was no Archaic Rampart on the floor. There always has been for us, because my melee usually TP on it when needed while the mages heal MP. Anyone notice this occurrence at all, or often? We got Goliard Trews off the boss that run, and as far as we can tell the only thing different we did that had anything to do with the rampart on the run was not kill any ramparts or aggro gears otw up (didn't need to with our objectives list, and I'm sure we've done this before). I'm not sure if we had a right/left option when we got there...I don't believe so. Just wondering if the rampart not being up has anything to do with...anything, or just a random occurrence of no importance. Thanks!

[Midnightjade]

I read your post and thought about this a bit, we've also done about 40 or so farming runs. On a few occasions when we've been held up by a couple of long floors we just ignore the Rampart and go straight for the Boss, but no correlation with drops as far as I can tell. I'll start keeping track though, you never know.

Must admit we did have some Goli drop last night on one run where we left the Rampart alone, and no drop on two runs where we killed the Rampart first I think. Probably a coincidence but there's no way to tell in the absence of data so we might as well generate some.

I don't think I've seen a Boss floor without a Rampart, but again I'll start taking notes.

With regard to other (non-Boss) floors, I really don't know. Must admit I don't know why the Ramparts are there, if they get in the way we just kill them. Maybe that's a bad idea?

[sekaran]

Mt static was convinced sleeping the Rampart while killing the HNM was the way to get drops.. it worked for us 9 times in a row.. damn that 10th try We don't bother with the Rampart much nowadays.

[Hicks]

Off topic a bit. My STP has farmed Nyzul Isle for gear over 40 times I'd guess, so we're not exactly new at it, and we just did runs last night and noticed something slightly strange. We farmed Floor40 and got Fafnir as the HNM, but there was no Archaic Rampart on the floor. There always has been for us, because my melee usually TP on it when needed while the mages heal MP. Anyone notice this occurrence at all, or often? We got Goliard Trews off the boss that run, and as far as we can tell the only thing different we did that had anything to do with the rampart on the run was not kill any ramparts or aggro gears otw up (didn't need to with our objectives list, and I'm sure we've done this before). I'm not sure if we had a right/left option when we got there...I don't believe so. Just wondering if the rampart not being up has anything to do with...anything, or just a random occurrence of no importance. Thanks!

SE has said the purpose of the rampart is to spawn the NMs, which is why there is always one on the boss floors. I'm guessing yours was just hiding in the corner and you missed it perhaps?

[Pninja]

We looked all over for it and didn't find it anywhere. Plus they usually stay kinda central to the room to begin with, and we usually take the longest to kill Fafnir so it should have wandered over at some point even if it somehow got missed. I've read the stuff about the ramparts and their theoretical purpose and all that, which is why it was so confusing to not actually have the rampart up. But who knows. We were hoping for a Ridill to drop :D

[Midnightjade]

OK, last night I was watching out for ramparts. No clear association. For example, one run (farming floor 20), we killed rampart for TP before engaging, and Goliard dropped from boss (Fafnir). Next run (farming floor 40), we were a bit short on time so left rampart alone, killed boss (Adamantoise) and nothing dropped.

Small sample but kind of representative of our overall experience in Nyzul Isle (2 and a half months at 4-7 runs per week). No clear association between ramparts and drops.

Only factor that does seem to help (albeit slightly) is TH. For example, last night when Goli dropped we had TH1 x2 in party, next run when nothing dropped we only had TH1 x1. Some evenings when we've had no TH, we've had nothing drop (eg one night three weeks ago we did 3x floor 80 farming runs, won all three times vs Cerb, Khim and Hydra, and got no drops at all). Having said that, a couple evenings we've also had TH4 in party and even then the droprate has been very very patchy so it's no guarantee.

Hope this helps.

[Pninja]

Thanks for the posts ^^ I've been watching out too and haven't had a boss floor that didn't have a Rampart again as of yet (although we only do 4 runs a week). No real connection that I've seen so far either, as we've tried killing variations of no Ramparts, a few Ramparts, all the Ramparts and don't seem to see much difference. We always bring TH4 to our boss runs so I can't speak for the variations on drops from the bosses...we're fairly lucky on drops loading (just not the right ones, hehe).

[solsovly]

Just cleared floor 100 for the first time. I was the disc holder, warped out when Cerb was at 15%. My group didn't get any head pieces. We ended up getting Brave Blade(pld).

The clear group was NIN NIN THF BLU RDM BRD(me).
My jobs at 75 are BLM BST BRD. My PLD is level 2. The sword went to one of the NIN's who has PLD leveled to 75.

[Ryogo]

As suspected, the logging out trick wasn't very successful. Our discholder disconnected when the boss was at about 5%, and after we killed it and he logged back in, he received the key item and messages about disc being cleared. So I believe it's safe to say that you have to be in a different area (possibly region) in order to preserve your disc.

Did that person log back in while you guys were still in Nyzul Isle assault or after your party was kicked out?

[Khiinroye]

As suspected, the logging out trick wasn't very successful. Our discholder disconnected when the boss was at about 5%, and after we killed it and he logged back in, he received the key item and messages about disc being cleared. So I believe it's safe to say that you have to be in a different area (possibly region) in order to preserve your disc.

Did that person log back in while you guys were still in Nyzul Isle assault or after your party was kicked out?

If you log back in after the rest of the group exits and the remaining time to expires, then the disc clears immediately and tokens are awarded when the holder logs back on. Furthermore, you lose the 100% drop rate on the head piece. My Nyzul group had a disc clear this way with no drop after the update.

I would imagine that the disc would clear if you waited for time to expire and were kicked with a loss, except with no tokens for anyone.

As many have confirmed, warping is the way to go if you want to keep your disc.

[Suiram]

I have a question that it's possible nobody has fulfilled both conditions to answer, but just in case, has anyone done the warp trick on their second run on a disc for someone who already has the Runic Key key item.

Reason being, our Nyzul static has been chugging along pretty well, even for only using 3 tags a week on it, we've got 3 people a Runic Key, and are about halfway done with the fourth. My guess is that once we get the rest the Runic Keys or close, we'll bring a couple people back to floor 95 access and refarm 20/40/60/80/100 for armor and weapons. My only concern is, does the Runic Key guarantee of the weapon for the job of the person whose disc it is when that person has warped? For instance, if we went back through on my disc, does that mean they'd only have a chance for BLM or BLU weapons, or would my warping open it back up to a 1/18 chance for each?

[Priphea]

I'm a member of a climbing Nyzul set (we have one disc at 80, and another at 40), and we're happily farming 80, and will soon raise our second disc to floor 60 and farm hands.


My question, though, is about farming floor 100s. I know that you can warp the disc holder before the boss is dead and preserve the disc data.

Has anyone done a second lap to 100 and cleared on someone's disc who already has a Runic Key? Would the disc data be lost on the second lap? Somehow I got the impression that if you cleared to 100 once and reclimbed on that person's disc after they have the Runic Key key item, that you wouldn't lose the disc data on clearing.

I've read only one such account (they said that data was lost again) and don't know how credible the source is. Please help, if anyone out there has experience with this; I'd like to strategize how we tackle farming floor 100 for our group.

[Kylen]

Has anyone done a second lap to 100 and cleared on someone's disc who already has a Runic Key? Would the disc data be lost on the second lap? Somehow I got the impression that if you cleared to 100 once and reclimbed on that person's disc after they have the Runic Key key item, that you wouldn't lose the disc data on clearing.

I've read 2 accounts here of groups clearing 100 twice with the same disc-holder. Both reported that the data was erased again, and also that the weapon that dropped matched the job that the disc-holder was playing at the time. This is probably too small a sample size to draw any definite conclusions, but it seems to indicate that the "additional reward" for clearing 100 twice with a runic key holder is that the weapon drop is no longer random.

[sekaran]

Has anyone done a second lap to 100 and cleared on someone's disc who already has a Runic Key? Would the disc data be lost on the second lap? Somehow I got the impression that if you cleared to 100 once and reclimbed on that person's disc after they have the Runic Key key item, that you wouldn't lose the disc data on clearing.

I've read 2 accounts here of groups clearing 100 twice with the same disc-holder. Both reported that the data was erased again, and also that the weapon that dropped matched the job that the disc-holder was playing at the time. This is probably too small a sample size to draw any definite conclusions, but it seems to indicate that the "additional reward" for clearing 100 twice with a runic key holder is that the weapon drop is no longer random.

This is true. Experienced it first hand. We got like 10+ great axes from when our WAR who had the key item warped before the boss died.

[Odd]

/sigh

i was hoping we were just having bad luck but we're 2/2 on mnk weapon when i (runic key and runic disc holder and mnk) warp out on 100. i'm wondering however if it will change if i warp out on floor 99...

[ullquiorra]

this is how you farm the weapons anyway... (if you have been able to see in advance)

our key item holder has maat's cap and almost every job at 75.

[Rem]

our runic disc holder doesn't have whm at 75 and that club dropped first time around? or is that common (random first time through).

Yea its random on the first time through for the runic disc holder. We got the blu sword when neither our disc holder or anyone in the party had blu leveled to 75.