Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Hapernack]

Well we're attempting to weaken LBC tonight:

MNK MNK MNK BLM BLM WHM WHM BRD

That's a pretty solid setup, no?

I'm hoping between the 5 main DD we can kill those gears on the 4th floor well before they have a shot at warping. Gonna have a MNK pulling with a ISP ranged weapon. The only thing I worry about is a link between them which would result in the 2nd gear probably warping while we're still fighting the first... am I just being silly or should I be cautious of this still?

[Francisco II]

Pretty good, I'd get a RDM for Slow/Paralyze/Refresh though.

[Hapernack]

Normally we do but he was pretty sick and couldn't make it so we're gonna have to try to manage without him.

[Kaeko]

Sorry if this was mentioned previously in the thread, but we managed to only kill 8/10 of the 4th floor gears a couple days ago, but LBC was still weakened - homing missles did about 300 damage and didn't reset hate. I don't think you actually need to kill all 10 to get the weakened effect for the boss now, so if you really do screw up once or twice, it's not a huge deal unless your target is purely the rampart.

[divisortheory]

Didn't reset hate on anyone? It was mentioned that killing 9/10 of them would cause homing missile to reset hate on EVERYONE except the original target.

[Kaeko]

I was only able to verify that the damage was nerfed, not the hate reset.

This happened on a 6 man run where we were only going for a bunch of ramparts so we just went to the boss for kicks with 2 minutes left. What happened was we just messed around and I pulled hate on BLM with a freeze II. It turned, immediately did a HM on me, hit the backline for that weakened damage. This happened right on the time out of the zone so I didn't get to see who it had hate on after it.

I don't know how useful a damage only nerf would be. We would typically kite this with a BLM team if we were strictly going for the boss, but this was way back well before the salvage nerf. In that situation, a damage only nerf is pretty nice. Nowadays, considering how ridiculously high the cell drop rates are, we're trying to go ramparts + boss with 6, so a BLM team probably isn't too efficient overall anymore.

[Godlywargod]

Didn't reset hate on anyone? It was mentioned that killing 9/10 of them would cause homing missile to reset hate on EVERYONE except the original target.

that would make holding hate too easy xD

[divisortheory]

Didn't reset hate on anyone? It was mentioned that killing 9/10 of them would cause homing missile to reset hate on EVERYONE except the original target.

that would make holding hate too easy xD

Oops yea, it was reversed. It reset hate on the target, but nobody else.

[Lordwafik]

It's very likely that only one of the gears is the one that'll trigger weakening LBC (probably a random one, or the first / last one on the dat list, I can easily see it being the last one). All the rest trigger rampart popping.

[Kaeko]

We went 8/10 missing the our first 2 attempts then getting the last 8. First one timed out while fighting 2nd one was off an aggro. Don't know if that helps any if anyone wants to collect data about it.

The 1 trigger gear idea sounds interesting, especially if it was the same one every time.

[Lhexh]

We had a run earlier this week were we were doing a rampart run, and at thend tried to pop 4F rampart. We had 7 people and ended up screwing up the 3rd gear, so decided to just get rest of gears and try to zerg boss with what little time we had left. Ended up screwing up 2 more gears in the next room when someone got confused and thought we werent killing them anymore, then messed up on 1 more gear at the end meaning we only killed 6 of the gears correctly. When we fought Long-Bow Chariot he had a barely nerfed Homing Missile that was doing 597 damage to me everytime, whereas nerfed boss always did sub 300.

[divisortheory]

It probably works like there's a range of percentages that homing missile can fall in. Like 25% - 90%. 0 gears killed is a 90% homing missile, 10 gears killed is a 25% homing missile, and for every gear you kill it goes down by a few %. Did he have hate reset when you killed 6? Heck, I guess even the hate reset could be a percentage.

[Lhexh]

Honestly can't say whether it did hate reset or not because the damage output was so high combined with a horrible job setup for boss ( MNK/WAR, MNK/NIN, SAM/WAR, THF, BRD, RDM, WHM ) lead to poor hate control even without homing because melees were sponging so much damage.

[Xerlic]

My group has a new theory with Mad Bomber. Looking for info to confirm or contradict. We always take the west path on floor 1 and Map mentioned that Mad Bomber is up when we have an even number of people entering Salvage and we assume it's up on the East path with an odd number. This has held consistent for us on the past 4 Bhaflau runs.

Secondly, how many WHMs and RDMs do people usually bring with them on LBC runs? Some ppl have dropped out of our group in favor of Nyzul and we've been going with 1 WHM and 1 RDM. We've been having problems with LBC when we really haven't before. We basically run out of juice when it goes under 25% and begins to spam TP moves. =/ Once Homing Missile eventually goes off, it's a madhouse. Our last 2 attemps have gotten it down to 9% and died while unclaimed (><).

Group setup last run was BLM BLM RNG MNK MNK MNK WHM RDM BRD BRD.

[Hapernack]

Well we failed again, 14% and the damn thing got off a missile which caused everything to go to whack. We were unable to pull the gears without them all teleporting either. Don't quite know how you all managed to do it. The gears were very far from each other yet still linked when we tried to pull one. After the first room teleported 2 away while we fought one, we decided it was already too late to save that so we proceeded to boss instead.

[Forbidden16]

My group has a new theory with Mad Bomber. Looking for info to confirm or contradict. We always take the west path on floor 1 and Map mentioned that Mad Bomber is up when we have an even number of people entering Salvage and we assume it's up on the East path with an odd number. This has held consistent for us on the past 4 Bhaflau runs.

Secondly, how many WHMs and RDMs do people usually bring with them on LBC runs? Some ppl have dropped out of our group in favor of Nyzul and we've been going with 1 WHM and 1 RDM. We've been having problems with LBC when we really haven't before. We basically run out of juice when it goes under 25% and begins to spam TP moves. =/ Once Homing Missile eventually goes off, it's a madhouse. Our last 2 attemps have gotten it down to 9% and died while unclaimed (><).

Group setup last run was BLM BLM RNG MNK MNK MNK WHM RDM BRD BRD.

Just did Bhaflau Remnants with 9 and Mad Bomber was up on the West side.

Also, it is very probable you're running out of MP resources with just 1 WHM. 2 WHM, 1 RDM and 1 BRD should be decent support for LBC tank party. Just make sure everyone that can support does it if needed.

[Arthars]

just a special note incase no one mentioned before:

Gears have improved sight aggro range and sight link range during wind weather.

when wind weather happens, the gear can even aggro u on sight even ur in a fair distance along the corridor (which is meant to be safe for everyone to rest and standby etc)

however u can still pull them at the near MAXIMUM ranged attack distance

hope this helps

[Wizerd]

My group has a new theory with Mad Bomber. Looking for info to confirm or contradict. We always take the west path on floor 1 and Map mentioned that Mad Bomber is up when we have an even number of people entering Salvage and we assume it's up on the East path with an odd number. This has held consistent for us on the past 4 Bhaflau runs.

Secondly, how many WHMs and RDMs do people usually bring with them on LBC runs? Some ppl have dropped out of our group in favor of Nyzul and we've been going with 1 WHM and 1 RDM. We've been having problems with LBC when we really haven't before. We basically run out of juice when it goes under 25% and begins to spam TP moves. =/ Once Homing Missile eventually goes off, it's a madhouse. Our last 2 attemps have gotten it down to 9% and died while unclaimed (><).

Group setup last run was BLM BLM RNG MNK MNK MNK WHM RDM BRD BRD.

Mad Bomber was up today with 9 people in our group on the West path.

GD I've had this page open a while and Forbidden beat me. Oh well, yeah he was with us so.

just a special note incase no one mentioned before:

Gears have improved sight aggro range and sight link range during wind weather.

when wind weather happens, the gear can even aggro u on sight even ur in a fair distance along the corridor (which is meant to be safe for everyone to rest and standby etc)

however u can still pull them at the near MAXIMUM ranged attack distance

hope this helps

Now this I did not know but explains some stuff. Thanks for the info.

[Godlywargod]

So we attempted LBC again tonigh, failed but we got him to like 35%ish, pld/nin(me) had hate the whole time untill the missed an erase and I got homing missle-d, hate reset(we need our thf to practice not linking) but I only good 400dmg, we didn't kill a single gear.....I was under the assumption that homing missile always did A LOT of dmg.

am I missing something here?

[Lordwafik]

It's a % of HP, so your health wasn't topped up.

Anyway bout fucking time we got some of these kinds of drops in salvage.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9...hax2vy9.th.jpg

Haven't seen those gloves drop EVER -_-