Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Arkanna]

Anyone have any recommendations on what we could do to have a better shot at this? Our MNK/NIN's are not fully meritted, but they've handled LAC before, like I said. The WAR can also come as PLD/NIN (he's pretty decked out), and one of the MNK's could come THF/SAM or THF/anything for TA.

Kill the gears on L4 to nerf Homing Missile.
Kill the L4 Chariot as well if you have time (JP in my shell swear the JP community have shown it nerfs the both the bosses movement speed (meh) and defense boost (much nicer) although this hasn't shown up on Wiki). We try to get a rampart done as well during a boss run, so we don't take the time to do the chariot...

Thank you for the advice, however, I did specifically say in my post that it's not Homing Missile that's getting us, it's LBC's crazy melee damage and double/triples. Our MNK's did get some practice vs Long-Armed Chariot who seems 10x easier, so maybe we'll have better luck next time we try for LBC.

[divisortheory]

Thank you for the advice, however, I did specifically say in my post that it's not Homing Missile that's getting us, it's LBC's crazy melee damage and double/triples. Our MNK's did get some practice vs Long-Armed Chariot who seems 10x easier, so maybe we'll have better luck next time we try for LBC.

There really isn't much to say about that except bring a RDM with capped Slow II and Paralyze II, make sure your BRD has CHR and weapon unlocked for Elegy, and if you absolutely must, bring a COR for Ice Shot. If you want to spice it up, have the Slow II RDM come /DRK and use Absorb-MND since Slow II is based on CasterVIT-EnemyVIT, you get double bang for your buck when Absorb-MND is used right before casting. Add a second WHM if you have to. If Slow II, Para II, and elegy are on, you would have to either get extremely unlucky or have slow WHMs or poor tanks for anyone to die.

[Arkanna]

Thank you for the advice, however, I did specifically say in my post that it's not Homing Missile that's getting us, it's LBC's crazy melee damage and double/triples. Our MNK's did get some practice vs Long-Armed Chariot who seems 10x easier, so maybe we'll have better luck next time we try for LBC.

There really isn't much to say about that except bring a RDM with capped Slow II and Paralyze II, make sure your BRD has CHR and weapon unlocked for Elegy, and if you absolutely must, bring a COR for Ice Shot. If you want to spice it up, have the Slow II RDM come /DRK and use Absorb-MND since Slow II is based on CasterVIT-EnemyVIT, you get double bang for your buck when Absorb-MND is used right before casting. Add a second WHM if you have to. If Slow II, Para II, and elegy are on, you would have to either get extremely unlucky or have slow WHMs or poor tanks for anyone to die.

That's an excellent summation. Thank you very much. ^_^/

[Ambir]

Anyone have any recommendations on what we could do to have a better shot at this? Our MNK/NIN's are not fully meritted, but they've handled LAC before, like I said. The WAR can also come as PLD/NIN (he's pretty decked out), and one of the MNK's could come THF/SAM or THF/anything for TA.

Kill the gears on L4 to nerf Homing Missile.
Kill the L4 Chariot as well if you have time (JP in my shell swear the JP community have shown it nerfs the both the bosses movement speed (meh) and defense boost (much nicer) although this hasn't shown up on Wiki). We try to get a rampart done as well during a boss run, so we don't take the time to do the chariot...

Thank you for the advice, however, I did specifically say in my post that it's not Homing Missile that's getting us, it's LBC's crazy melee damage and double/triples. Our MNK's did get some practice vs Long-Armed Chariot who seems 10x easier, so maybe we'll have better luck next time we try for LBC.

Are you giving your tank a body boost then? The only time our tanks come close to dying with over 2000HP is if all our healers run out of MP... really negates the danger of doubles and triples.

And no, no proof on the chariot having any effect on the boss. As I said it came from the JP in our runs, and we haven't tried it because we're trying for a few other things in the run as well, and nerfing the Homing Missile only basically removes a lot of the problems from the fight. They've brought a number of pieces of information to our group from the JP community though, and so far they've been spot on. Next time we fail on one of the early 4F Gears we're going to have a go at killing the chariot, but since they've mentioned it having an effect we've managed to pull all 10 Gear sucessfully 3/3.

I'm not bringing it to the table as proof, just as another piece of information that can be accepted/rejected as is seen fit.

[LakshmiToralyn]

I read threw about 85% of this thread and didnt see any solid advice but my group is having hell gettin all 10 gears pulled without LINK agro. We have tried 3 different pullers who are all veterans of ffxi. I would say we are 1/12 on killing all 10 gears. Which usually puts us on the breaking edge on LBC time when he is unweakened.

Our best luck has been a bard pulling with elegy but he always says I cant tell which way they are facing and was thinkin abotu trying to do a DAT swap to know which way they are facing. Obviously the rooms with 3 pose more risk than 2, can anyone give any pointers on pulling these.

[divisortheory]

I read threw about 85% of this thread and didnt see any solid advice but my group is having hell gettin all 10 gears pulled without LINK agro. We have tried 3 different pullers who are all veterans of ffxi. I would say we are 1/12 on killing all 10 gears. Which usually puts us on the breaking edge on LBC time when he is unweakened.

Our best luck has been a bard pulling with elegy but he always says I cant tell which way they are facing and was thinkin abotu trying to do a DAT swap to know which way they are facing. Obviously the rooms with 3 pose more risk than 2, can anyone give any pointers on pulling these.

Wait 5 minutes to pull if you have to. Dont' pull unless there is only one mob anywhere close to the door. Eventually they'll be in a situation where two mobs are near the back of the room, and only one mob is near the front.

[LakshmiToralyn]

Alot of times I see him standing at extreme angles right outside the door trying to get an angel on some of the gears, sounds like even if they are seperate from right to left we shouldnt pull because once its agrod it will take some time to get to the door and probaby link link (this sounds like where we are goign wrong) should he be doing this or just wait when there is one right in front of the door? what about being INSIDE the room to pull any but the last gear in the room(s)?

[divisortheory]

Alot of times I see him standing at extreme angles right outside the door trying to get an angel on some of the gears, should he be doing this or just wait when there is one right in front of the door? what about being INSIDE the room to pull any but the last gear in the room(s)?

Wait until it's right in front of the door. I usually make an arc type motion around the door to go from one side to the other, always going BEHIND the pillars when walking in front of the door. It's ok to stand at extreme right angles outside the doors, but only because sometimes you can't see some of the gears and it helps to be able to identify where they are sometimes. Widescan might help in this respect too. Put one on tracking and target another one.

[LakshmiToralyn]

Great thanks for the suggestion how succesfull are you guys on these pulls gettin 10/10 80%? 90%? 50%


PS Dvsparse when calculating AVG WS it needs to update every WS, it only updates if there is a new hi or low. Which sometimes it can go for 40 WS without updating which really hampers some testing on WS gear.

[Wizerd]

Alot of times I see him standing at extreme angles right outside the door trying to get an angel on some of the gears, should he be doing this or just wait when there is one right in front of the door? what about being INSIDE the room to pull any but the last gear in the room(s)?

Wait until it's right in front of the door. I usually make an arc type motion around the door to go from one side to the other, always going BEHIND the pillars when walking in front of the door. It's ok to stand at extreme right angles outside the doors, but only because sometimes you can't see some of the gears and it helps to be able to identify where they are sometimes. Widescan might help in this respect too. Put one on tracking and target another one.

This isn't needed with radar. That's why I love pulling these on MNK/NIN or THF/NIN etc. The little red dots make this so much less painful.

I've only pulled them 5 times so far, making me 50/50, but I've never failed since being serious about my attempts. I actually find the triple rooms easier than the double rooms... They either seem bigger, or there just seems to be a larger chance that one will be separate since there is 3. Or just luck, I dunno. Anyway, don't worry about which way they are facing, wait to pull until they are far enough that even if they face each other, they won't link. Sometimes I do go right inside the room to pull if all 3 are at the back, and depending on the situation it can be ideal to pull like that. If any come close to walking to the front, follow DT's advice about how to walk in front of the room (ie: not close to the door).

I'm not sure how they can call themselves FFXI veterans if they can't pull some simple gears without linking.

Edit: in other news, we had time to play around with the 4F Rampart last night finally, even though only about half of it. I still want to spend less time on 1F, since currently we're clearing all the wamouracampa with only 11, but we're getting crappy drops on certain cells often (ie: body cells last night). I'm just hesitant to lack certain gear for certain people when it comes to actually killing the gears in time. Blah. We got to 4F in 45 minutes and made record time on pulling the gears but it still only left us with about 33min, and I wanted at least 15 to kill LBC just in case (it was another 6min kill, but I don't like pushing it, and we got no Revitilizers that time).

[Hapernack]

Great thanks for the suggestion how succesfull are you guys on these pulls gettin 10/10 80%? 90%? 50%


PS Dvsparse when calculating AVG WS it needs to update every WS, it only updates if there is a new hi or low. Which sometimes it can go for 40 WS without updating which really hampers some testing on WS gear.

I screwed up one run and linked one making us 9/10 but LBC's missiles still were very very gimped. No hate reset was observed and everyone in the radial area only took maybe 200-300 damage as mages. The main target took as much as 1200 but everyone else took next to nothing making even 9/10 very manageable.

Also we have a sucess rate on achieving 10/10 gears about 75-80%. If you mean just pulling gears period then we have 99%.

[divisortheory]

Great thanks for the suggestion how succesfull are you guys on these pulls gettin 10/10 80%? 90%? 50%


PS Dvsparse when calculating AVG WS it needs to update every WS, it only updates if there is a new hi or low. Which sometimes it can go for 40 WS without updating which really hampers some testing on WS gear.

Minimize it and restore and see if that makes it update. If not submit a but to SourceForge, otherwise it will never get fixed (It may not get fixed anyway, lol)

[Sady]

Last night's Madbomber Self-destructed at 1%... Add that to the fact that we are currently 0/8 for drops off Gate Widow... I knew I should have had 2 MNKs Hundred Fists and not only one! Although, we were able to pull 10/10 gears on the forth floor for the first time which was pretty sweet. BTW nerfed LBC is a fucking joke, gay drops tho NEEDS MOAR BODY DORPS, LESS CROWNZ AND HANDS PRZ!!! orz

Seriously though, my question is this. For the groups that consistently farm multiple RRs and the zone boss, how much time do you spend per RR? Do you just cut your losses and move on if no NM pops within a fixed amout of time? One full RR and the boss is very possible even without nerfed HM, but more seems unlikely time wise.

[Alcarin]

The Archaic Gear in 4th floor link by sound or sight?

Another question. 2 mnks and 3 blms can bring it down in 60 secconds?

[divisortheory]

The Archaic Gear in 4th floor link by sound or sight?

Another question. 2 mnks and 3 blms can bring it down in 60 secconds?

sight, yes.

[LakshmiToralyn]

LBC resisted all 3 times we tried to stun it for HM. first 2 were RDM/DRJK last was a BLM/WHM..

Has anyone had success stacking Dark Magic gear to get stuns to land?

[Munkey]

Blm/whm on last nights raid and I didn't try to stun anything but the Homing missle, plus a few random stuns. It only used it 3 times, was midcast on eledebuff on the first, stunned the second, missed the 3rd by the fraction of an inch stuns were never resisted.

Jupiter Staff
Relic Gloves,
Af Pants
Nashira feet
Dark Torque
Abysall Earring


Although next time I plan on /rdm and swapping into R. Pumps. I'll report back and let you know how it went

[Munkey]

one quick note we only cleared 7/10 without warp but hate reset was only on 1 person. Anyone else found that to be true.

[LakshmiToralyn]

Yes we killed 7/10 last ngiht and same thing. There are DEGRESS of weakness when killing the gears I do not think it has been cleary defined what the ranges are however. Thanks good info on the stun gear setup appreciate it. I am at work no access to game do you remember offhand what that gear put your Dark Magic @?

[divisortheory]

We killed 8/10 the other day and everyone got hate reset, Homing Missile was about 75% damage instead of 95%.