Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Clynt]

We did our first Bhaflau Ramparts run the other day, and we didn't have enough time to hit all the ramparts. The way we did it was went in killed bombs/trolls on the way to Magic Wamouras. Then, we cleared out that room and headed back and cleared Wamouracampas up to Mad Bomber. Went it, did that and got 2 Gate Widows.

At Puddings, we killed them with physical damage only, which slowed us down a lot on the two that are resistant to physical damage. On the rampart, got it down to 40% and no NM so we killed it. Next floor, went straight to the gears for the next Rampart and only had about ~10 min left. So, we tried pulling the 2 triple gears without links in a hurry an ended up getting quite a few links and eventually ran out of time. I don't know, I think we could speed it up on the first floor by not farming so many Wamouracamps... I heard it's not good to nuke the Puddings on 2nd floor at all because they may never get spikes back. It just seems like the ramparts take so much time, can people always do all ramparts comfortably with enough time? I'm looking for ways to speed this up so we can hit all Ramparts.

We've been able to do fine in Arrapago hitting all the NM's and getting the Boss to about ~50% before running out of time, but we don't usually aim for enough time to kill the boss.

[Croaker]

We did our first Bhaflau Ramparts run the other day, and we didn't have enough time to hit all the ramparts. The way we did it was went in killed bombs/trolls on the way to Magic Wamouras. Then, we cleared out that room and headed back and cleared Wamouracampas up to Mad Bomber. Went it, did that and got 2 Gate Widows.

At Puddings, we killed them with physical damage only, which slowed us down a lot on the two that are resistant to physical damage. On the rampart, got it down to 40% and no NM so we killed it. Next floor, went straight to the gears for the next Rampart and only had about ~10 min left. So, we tried pulling the 2 triple gears without links in a hurry an ended up getting quite a few links and eventually ran out of time. I don't know, I think we could speed it up on the first floor by not farming so many Wamouracamps... I heard it's not good to nuke the Puddings on 2nd floor at all because they may never get spikes back. It just seems like the ramparts take so much time, can people always do all ramparts comfortably with enough time? I'm looking for ways to speed this up so we can hit all Ramparts.

We've been able to do fine in Arrapago hitting all the NM's and getting the Boss to about ~50% before running out of time, but we don't usually aim for enough time to kill the boss.

You should have spent your time killing the remaining 40% of the 2nd floor rampart. If you had poped the 3rd floor rampart, what were you going to do with it in 2 minutes you had left?

IMO, It isnt really possible to do 3 full ramparts in 1 run. You have 3 options.

#1 Do first floor if it is up and then do either 2nd or 3rd.
#2 Do 2nd and 3rd.
#3 Do 4th and Boss.

I guess you could do one of the first 3 ramparts and an unnerfed boss, but that just doesnt make much sense unless everyone has the 4th rampart drops.

[Kaylia]

#3 plan seem fail. I've been on run where we hit #1,#2 and #4, and killed mega. Did around 40% on each. Could probably push it to 60% on every rampart with a better setup

[Croaker]

#3 plan seem fail. I've been on run where we hit #1,#2 and #4, and killed mega. Did around 40% on each. Could probably push it to 60% on every rampart with a better setup

40% +40% +40% = 120%

I guess only using italics on FULL ramparts wasn't enough enough to make it stand out. What your group did was barely more than the equivalent of one full rampart. You would have gotten pretty much the same results if you went with "seem fail" plan #3 and killed 100% of the 4th rampart pops.

Are you under the impression that NM only pop in the first 40%? I have been on many runs where no NM poped in the first 50% and then we get 2-3 NM in the last 50%. I have even seen an NM pop at 2%, which we managed to kill in time. Doing a little bit of 3 ramparts seems like a lot of needless effort and puts your group at risk of running out of time on the boss.

[Lhexh]

You can do more than 2 full ramparts easily, on multiple runs with 6-7 people we've done 2 Ramparts 100% -> 0% and taken 3rd Rampart down to 20-40% left before timing out on zone. It's a lot easier with small group since you don't need to spend much time at all farming on any floor. Any single rampart is also doable with Boss run and on a few occasions we've done 1For2F rampart, popped 4F Rampart to nerf boss and then spent some time trying to pop Peryton until the minimum time remaining needed for boss was reached and left.

[Jackalman]

Another thing worth noting is that the only rampart that is "out of the way" is the 3F rampart. 1F is mad bomber is up, you're probably killing bugs around there anyway. 2F you start right at the flans and probably have to kill at least 2-3 for prae/opacus anyway. 3F is a mostly unnecessary floor if going for LBC, so killing or invising to the center and waiting for a good opportunity to pull and then y/y the 2 triple gears takes a good bit of time. 4F nothing is out of the way and you are probably trying to weaken LBC anyway. So, depending on how much time you want to spend at each rampart, you can hit all 3 before the boss. It may be tougher to do 3F rampart + boss and still farm all the cells you need and weaken LBC, but running thru quicky and not weakening LBC hould give you enough time.

[Kaylia]

Anyone fought LBC recently? It used weapon skill back to back (3-4sec between) with only a g.axe war and nin hitting it. I doubt it's impossible, but Ws spam killed us today, and made hate really unstable.

[Neosutra]

Anyone fought LBC recently? It used weapon skill back to back (3-4sec between) with only a g.axe war and nin hitting it. I doubt it's impossible, but Ws spam killed us today, and made hate really unstable.

Fought a few of the bosses, all seemed fine.

On a side note, 15 NM bee spawns over the last 3 months, 0 drops. Fuck ya for salvage.

[NynJa]

4 DA LULZ, had a mishap trying to pop 2f rampart.

2nd Flan we encountered (melee weak) opened a fight with burst, died before it got to finish casting...never got to put its spikes up. Dont let that happen to your group

[NynJa]

3F is a mostly unnecessary floor if going for LBC, so killing or invising to the center and waiting for a good opportunity to pull and then y/y the 2 triple gears takes a good bit of time.

NOT TRU

if youre a half intelligent puller, the gears will deaggro before you hit the room with the socket, so pull, let em deaggro, and pull right away, while theyre in a non-aggro/non-link state.

[Wizerd]

4 DA LULZ, had a mishap trying to pop 2f rampart.

2nd Flan we encountered (melee weak) opened a fight with burst, died before it got to finish casting...never got to put its spikes up. Dont let that happen to your group

I usually don't WS on it until I see spikes pop, then I say gogo all out.

[Kaylia]

4 DA LULZ, had a mishap trying to pop 2f rampart.

2nd Flan we encountered (melee weak) opened a fight with burst, died before it got to finish casting...never got to put its spikes up. Dont let that happen to your group

Happened 4 days ago to us. Actually, I wasnt sure if it was the case, or if it was my burst 2 putting the pudding to 1% that caused it, but it didn't pop the rampart

[Seditedi]

Gonna put my vote on your Burst................... lol

[Kaylia]

Gonna put my vote on your Burst................... lol

It died like instantly after, was less than 1 sec. Next pudding died almost instantly to 4 WS and never had its spike up.

[NynJa]

I've killed puddings w/ magic when I've gone blm, and rampart popped.

[Neosutra]

I've killed puddings w/ magic when I've gone blm, and rampart popped.

Same, our last boss run for Bhaflau we just had everyone go apreshit on the puddings, and as we killed last it popped, we were all like WTF!? I just guess it was good timing on spikes going up right before kill.

[Seditedi]

I've killed puddings w/ magic when I've gone blm, and rampart popped.

Killshot was a nuke or you nuked it and was still alive? If it is a killshot spikes won't go down in my experience.

[NynJa]

I've killed puddings w/ magic when I've gone blm, and rampart popped.

Killshot was a nuke or you nuked it and was still alive? If it is a killshot spikes won't go down in my experience.

killshot

[tymora]

Can confirm Seditedi's post. Killshot won't remove spikes. I believe it loses a spike after a certain WS move it uses after being nuked so if it has no chance to use a WS, its pretty safe.

[Wizerd]

Can confirm Seditedi's post. Killshot won't remove spikes. I believe it loses a spike after a certain WS move it uses after being nuked so if it has no chance to use a WS, its pretty safe.

No lol. It loses spikes instantly after a certain amount of magic damage. That's why nuking one of them to 1% and having it die right after will almost certainly not pop the Rampart.