Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Wizerd]

Would Hide work? Bombs are sight aggro.

I didn't try it, but I'm assuming that because it's an NM, it'll see through Hide.


Also, about Fanatic's Drink, generally if a WS is physical damage it'll hit for 0, whereas if it's magic damage, then it'll have "no effect". I'm sure there are exceptions, but Mortal Revolution stays true to this, doing 0 damage but still stunning you (annoying as hell).

[TB]

They're physical, because if you use a Fanatic's Drink, Discharge for example has no effect (no damage and no paralyze).

Shadow Ring works on all 3 Standard Chariot TP moves. All magic damage.

[Zidiane]

About the 2nd floor rampart, 4 runs and 4 no pops on it, killing all pops asap gettinghte most pops possible out of it, no pops still, steal claims etc.

Has anyone tried killing it so it spawns at a certain direction for a certain day?

[Thefrost]

My shell in the past never let more than 1 or 2 mobs out at a time, however after reading someone's idea a couple weeks ago we decided to try the placeholder method of letting them all 5 be out and then killing one at a time. From doing that we got pops the 4 bhaf runs we did this week and a couple drops to go with them. We didn't have any nm pops for a few weeks before that lol.

I completely understand that it was most likely "luck" and didn't have any reason behind it such as the ph method, however other groups may wanna try it and us all test it out. We kept everything else the same as normal runs just that was changed. I thought it'd be worth it to try this method since we never get pops and since the noob groups seem to get lots of drops from this zone while all our 35s come from the other 3 zones.

We are gonna test this out a lot so that there can be some confidence behind it statistically, however it will take lots of runs to really test this out.

[Thefrost]

Also, a couple ppl say that since nms popped as first mob before then ph method isn't likely and i've seen nm pop first also but that could just mean that the first pop was the ph and the the ph's work a little diff when coming from ramparts. It could definitely just be a random one of the five for the ph or maybe there is some way that you can control which number the ph is. Also, there is the chance that SE was smokin some good stuff and just said the more mobs that are out the higher the pop chance is

Also, I've been doin salvage for around a year now and bhaf is the 2nd most run I go on and I have horrible luck on the ramparts. So I am to the point where I'd try anything! As long as you don't let the 5 be out for long and sometimes you clear all 5 then around the same number of mobs will pop so its worth it to try imo.

[Znake]

My shell in the past never let more than 1 or 2 mobs out at a time, however after reading someone's idea a couple weeks ago we decided to try the placeholder method of letting them all 5 be out and then killing one at a time. From doing that we got pops the 4 bhaf runs we did this week and a couple drops to go with them. We didn't have any nm pops for a few weeks before that lol.

I completely understand that it was most likely "luck" and didn't have any reason behind it such as the ph method, however other groups may wanna try it and us all test it out. We kept everything else the same as normal runs just that was changed. I thought it'd be worth it to try this method since we never get pops and since the noob groups seem to get lots of drops from this zone while all our 35s come from the other 3 zones.

We are gonna test this out a lot so that there can be some confidence behind it statistically, however it will take lots of runs to really test this out.

We intentionally tried this the last time we went to Bhaflau. No NM pops

[Thefrost]

I really don't believe it makes it High % that the nms pop i just think that maybe it will be higher. It very likely has no effect even I just am hoping it does lol! For us ramparts pop 1+ nms maybe around 5% of the ramparts we do and the last 4 runs they all did so we're just hoping. I'd still guess that even if this method works its still prob less than 20%.

[Djekkie]

Figured this wasn't worthy to make a whole new topic about, but as it is right now the group I run is having some slight problems with LBC. Another part of the problem is people not always showing up due to work, lack of AP or whatever, so last sat. we tried LBC with 7 and ended up losing at 10% due to HM and 2x tank death out of the blue.

Since we still need about 9 drops from LBC we've been keeping at him to get the drops we need but currently our win ratio is 50% and actually getting the drops into people's inventories is 25% (Q_Q@2x phobos cuirass hitting the floor cause lbc died at the 10 sec mark). I know it should be possible to kill it with 7, but I'm starting to wonder what we're doing wrong, if we're just pretty unlucky or if we just plain suck.

Our 7-man setup consists out of people who have the following jobs available (bolded the ones usually used for LBC);

WAR, bbMNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, PLD, NIN, SAM, RNG
adaberk/ridillWAR , bbMNK, BLM, SAM, RNG
ridillWAR, th4THF, RNG
ridillWAR, BRD, THF, NIN, PLD, BLU
BRD, dramatichapeuRDM, SMN, BLM
WHM, SAM
BLM, RDM

On our last run we ended up at LBC with roughly 30 minutes left, killed 8/10 of the gears (2 warped out cause they spammed Restoral), everyone was properly geared and most important stats unlocked per player. We didn't get lucky on chests from gears (no fanatics, body boosts etc). We start off with SV minuets and have both MNKs use HF and got LBC down to roughly 75%~. Minor issue was that hate was planted on me and co-tank couldn't get LBC off me for the life of me and after a small spammage off TP moves I had no timers left on shadows and ended up eating dirt due to multiple double attacks. This didn't happen once, but twice after I got back up and started tanking it again. Eventually I ended up being weak for 10 minutes which, well, sucked.

Getting paralyna's/erases sometimes is an issue when people are casting other spells when the TP moves go off but are usually on point. We constantly move around to the sides when LBC turns to prepare HM but eventually one slips through and the shit pretty much hits the fan and trying to stabilize hate seems impossible without something to spike hate with and the clock keeps ticking with minimal damage done to it and we end up timing out.

Is there something I'm not seeing with this setup that would make beating LBC easier? Any comments, tips or anything that we can work on to start beating LBC on a regular basis without recruiting additional people?

[Meat]

Figured this wasn't worthy to make a whole new topic about, but as it is right now the group I run is having some slight problems with LBC. Another part of the problem is people not always showing up due to work, lack of AP or whatever, so last sat. we tried LBC with 7 and ended up losing at 10% due to HM and 2x tank death out of the blue.

Since we still need about 9 drops from LBC we've been keeping at him to get the drops we need but currently our win ratio is 50% and actually getting the drops into people's inventories is 25% (Q_Q@2x phobos cuirass hitting the floor cause lbc died at the 10 sec mark). I know it should be possible to kill it with 7, but I'm starting to wonder what we're doing wrong, if we're just pretty unlucky or if we just plain suck.

Our 7-man setup consists out of people who have the following jobs available (bolded the ones usually used for LBC);

WAR, bbMNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, PLD, NIN, SAM, RNG
adaberk/ridillWAR , bbMNK, BLM, SAM, RNG
ridillWAR, th4THF, RNG
ridillWAR, BRD, THF, NIN, PLD, BLU
BRD, dramatichapeuRDM, SMN, BLM
WHM, SAM
BLM, RDM

On our last run we ended up at LBC with roughly 30 minutes left, killed 8/10 of the gears (2 warped out cause they spammed Restoral), everyone was properly geared and most important stats unlocked per player. We didn't get lucky on chests from gears (no fanatics, body boosts etc). We start off with SV minuets and have both MNKs use HF and got LBC down to roughly 75%~. Minor issue was that hate was planted on me and co-tank couldn't get LBC off me for the life of me and after a small spammage off TP moves I had no timers left on shadows and ended up eating dirt due to multiple double attacks. This didn't happen once, but twice after I got back up and started tanking it again. Eventually I ended up being weak for 10 minutes which, well, sucked.

Getting paralyna's/erases sometimes is an issue when people are casting other spells when the TP moves go off but are usually on point. We constantly move around to the sides when LBC turns to prepare HM but eventually one slips through and the shit pretty much hits the fan and trying to stabilize hate seems impossible without something to spike hate with and the clock keeps ticking with minimal damage done to it and we end up timing out.

Is there something I'm not seeing with this setup that would make beating LBC easier? Any comments, tips or anything that we can work on to start beating LBC on a regular basis without recruiting additional people?

tell the blm to come rdm

[Seditedi]

RNG isn't that good for LBC, makes it spam.
BLM coming RDM would be a good idea, or tell the BLM to learn how to stun Missile.

[cdgreg]

RNG isn't that good for LBC, makes it spam.
BLM coming RDM would be a good idea, or tell the BLM to learn how to stun Missile.

Ya it's pretty easy if you're hasted and stunning any turn/tp charge. Even if its not HM, stun is ready again pretty soon. BLM can even sneak a blizz IV and Fr II in while the timer is coming back up for an additional 1.5 dmg

[Seditedi]

Builds resistance too quick if you stun every time its up lol.
As a stunner I like to save stun for HM only.

[cdgreg]

Builds resistance too quick if you stun every time its up lol.
As a stunner I like to save stun for HM only.

No it doesnt. I said stun any turn/tp charge as in only stun when it turns and tp's at the same time. Sorry if I wasn't clear, I did not mean every tp charge and every turn lol, only when both happen at the same time .

[Seditedi]

It definitely builds resistance pretty quickly, I guess your tanks are pretty good at repositioning quickly if you don't have any stun resistance problems.

[cdgreg]

Could be, we normally also only have 1 mnk on it after 75%, or 2 mnks and a cor. So it only tp's about every 4-6%

edit: im also usually fully geared so that helps!

[Wizerd]

Could be, we normally also only have 1 mnk on it after 75%, or 2 mnks and a cor. So it only tp's about every 4-6%

That takes too long to kill.

[cdgreg]

Could be, we normally also only have 1 mnk on it after 75%, or 2 mnks and a cor. So it only tp's about every 4-6%

That takes too long to kill.

Eh we manage 1 rampart + LBC so while its not super like some groups its good enough in our book. We usually don't have the muscle to kill gears for sure before they warp so they and the weakening chariot are completely skipped, so thats where time is "saved".

[Wizerd]

Could be, we normally also only have 1 mnk on it after 75%, or 2 mnks and a cor. So it only tp's about every 4-6%

That takes too long to kill.

Eh we manage 1 rampart + LBC so while its not super like some groups its good enough in our book. We usually don't have the muscle to kill gears for sure before they warp so they and the weakening chariot are completely skipped, so thats where time is "saved".

Fair enough, but the gears are pretty easy to do. All you need is 2 BLMs and your chariot tanks to down them. 7 members is our lowest for successfully taking out the gears (RDM BRD WHM MNK MNK BLM BLM), but typically we have a couple more (like a THF). It only takes 25-30 seconds to kill the gears this way, 35-40 if Restoral happens.

[cdgreg]

Could be, we normally also only have 1 mnk on it after 75%, or 2 mnks and a cor. So it only tp's about every 4-6%

That takes too long to kill.

Eh we manage 1 rampart + LBC so while its not super like some groups its good enough in our book. We usually don't have the muscle to kill gears for sure before they warp so they and the weakening chariot are completely skipped, so thats where time is "saved".

Fair enough, but the gears are pretty easy to do. All you need is 2 BLMs and your chariot tanks to down them. 7 members is our lowest for successfully taking out the gears (RDM BRD WHM MNK MNK BLM BLM), but typically we have a couple more (like a THF). It only takes 25-30 seconds to kill the gears this way, 35-40 if Restoral happens.

Ah I didnt know it was that easy. We only tried once, and I had honestly forgotten they warped since it was our first LS run and I was overwhelmed with information. Because of that I wasn't nuking too hard, then poof it warped lol. After that we've been on the "if it ain't broke dont fix it" routine. But I would actually love to give it a try again and spank the living crap out a weakened LBC.

[mdkuser]

I can never stop to emphasize how darkness skill chains and magic take these warping gears down fast. 2 BLM is a guarranted kill under 30 seconds, as long as your healers focus on curing them and not your tanks ;p

A friend went in a JP Bhaflau 4F shout the other day. The only DDs they had were SAM MNK THF and BLM. The thief would not stop pulling them, didn't seem to even be checking if the gear would link lol. They were alternating darkness skill chains with gekko>asuran and gekko> evisc + MB from the blackmage and killed them very fast ( the drakness damage alone takes almost 1/3 of their HP..).