Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Zhais]

fuck lbc after 15 kills we've seen one phobos cuirass.

What? O.o From like at least 20 kills on LBC, we are fed up seeing Phobos. Last one almost got lost and the one before that too, which went to a WAR37 because no one wanted it. A total of around 10-12 Phobos for us. We've even seen double drops on this item more than once:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...rops/LBC12.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...Drops/LBC7.jpg

On the other hand, we've only seen one Tsukikazu haidate. We are about to try all kind of voodoo stuff now, like making different people activate the run instead of always the same person, etc. I keep reading about people getting the same drops over and over with a little change now and then but on different patterns than my group... anyone has any theory about this? >_>

Also, 4th Rampart Peryton has never poped for us in 4 months (or more?) ^^

0/4 ares for me on LBC ;_;

Our last three LBCs have been as such:

Ares body + Ares body (person who was 2/3 wasn't there)
Ares body + Skadi feet (both went to 2/3 people yay)
Ares body + Ares Mask (fuck ares)


now... if all those had been morrigan bodies.... we'd have some very very happy people. Otherwise I have the lvl 25 drop sitting on a mannequin for eternity

[Francisco II]

Can anyone confirm or deny whether or not Skirmish Pephredo is a lotto of a SPECIFIC Hunting Wasp in Bhaflau? The more I think of it, the more likely I think it is. I assume this can be proved with Wide Scan... While the ramparts continue to lose HP even if 5 bees are up, it could be a situation like Leaping Lizzy, where killing only the place holder causes the NM to pop faster.

[Seditedi]

I kinda agree with that as well..
but I do think that the specific bee that is the PH is random to each RR, so yeah, lol.

[Churchill]

Today was the first time only one Gate Widow popped, next time I'll try to be smarter and keep track of when that happened. We took 6 in and just zerged as fast as we could through them, par for the course. We've had decent luck I'd say so far but only one pop was odd.

[DAKPluto]

After endless Spiders not dropping anything... yesterday we had a lonely Spider pop at around 9%.... or even lower... and it dropped machas... lol so lucky for once.

Shoulda went with us the other day. 4 spiders, 4 cuffs + enlils pants. >_>. Killed chariot for aers body and mask thing

Go die in a fire.

:sandy:

[Geneyus]

Well, for like the 800th time in a row, we had a flawless run with nothing to show for it.

Mad Bomber was not up (getting really f'n tired of that.)

My LS is 6/39 on Mad Bomber being up. We all calling fucking bullshit on the 50% chance. See 4 widow, never got a drop. And it's pretty much the only stuff we need that is left from Bhaflau. 2 more boss pieces and runs will be 5min long. Go in, no MB, use flies....

Just don't accidentally go the wrong way and get Crawlers with Mad Bomber not being up, people get really mad about that.

[Koyangi]

I apolagize in advance if this has been tested already and debunked or not, but has anyone tried killing any Mega Boss with all people in the party with drops that you don't want so it forces other items to drop(having some DB if necassary)?

[tymora]

Assign each bee a number from 1 to 100 and see which number yields a NM? From there decide which is the PH for the NM? Or perhaps this is another waste of time.

I did notice (or rather feel) that when the NM pops, it seems to be at a rather semi-regular interval, lending some support to this hypothesis.

[Sylvaria]

I apolagize in advance if this has been tested already and debunked or not, but has anyone tried killing any Mega Boss with all people in the party with drops that you don't want so it forces other items to drop(having some DB if necassary)?

i think ppl tested this with KB and dring and when this actually worked it got handled like a bug and fixed so instead nothing will drop

means he can still drop but since everyone has the item it wont and youll just get 1 or 0 drops(or 2 completely different but its still random)

[DAKPluto]

It was tested a few months ago in Limbus trying to force no head drop by having 2 people, each with the Omega Eye to open the chest.


The chest had zero Omega parts.

[Jedimasta]

It was tested a few months ago in Limbus trying to force no head drop by having 2 people, each with the Omega Eye to open the chest.


The chest had zero Omega parts.

Still to this day one of my favorite ffxi screenshots.

[Kaylia]

Well, for like the 800th time in a row, we had a flawless run with nothing to show for it.

Mad Bomber was not up (getting really f'n tired of that.)
We got 2nd floor Rampart..... zero NMs.
Skipped 3rd floor.
Pulled 4th floor flawlessly with 20 minutes left for the rampart.
We got 1 NM pop on 4th floor at 57%. No drop.

First time ever I saw a rampart only spit out a single NM.

When I zone in, I've close to 100% pop rate on madbomber (around 24/25), but never saw any freaking spider pop. When a friend of mine zone, madbomber seem to be 50-60%, but spider popped a lot more. Go figure.

I'm seriously starting to believe whoever enter determine pop rate for madbomber, because it's usually constant within a group, but so inconsistant between every group.

[Shassira]

When I zone in, I've close to 100% pop rate on madbomber (around 24/25), but never saw any freaking spider pop. When a friend of mine zone, madbomber seem to be 50-60%, but spider popped a lot more. Go figure.

I'm seriously starting to believe whoever enter determine pop rate for madbomber, because it's usually constant within a group, but so inconsistant between every group.

It's highly possible that the person that triggers the run is taken into account for the seed of the random function or functions used inside the event. Ofcourse, it could be anything on that person, from the creation date to the race, sex, current job, number of jobs or whatever mix of attributes you can express as a number, as well as other factors (such as time, day, weather or whatever else in conjunction). In the end, except for anecdotical data, i see no way of proving this. My group has started to play with this little factor though to see if by chance we start seeing a different pattern on drops since we've been using the same person to trigger the run for long now and we have a clearly unbalanced drop rate on specific items (as well as pops on ramparts). The local consistency you speak off yet inconsistency between groups is what makes us try this "voodoo" fixes. Here's hoping we see a change

[DAKPluto]

Hell, at this point I'm willing to enter us on THF to see if TH4 affects the door opening, lol.

Hell, I'm ready to sacrifice a virgin chicken during a full moon using a horseshoe with a 4-leaf clover and rabbit's foot attached to it. At this point it couldn't hurt.

[Starlink]

fuck lbc after 15 kills we've seen one phobos cuirass.

What? O.o From like at least 20 kills on LBC, we are fed up seeing Phobos. Last one almost got lost and the one before that too, which went to a WAR37 because no one wanted it. A total of around 10-12 Phobos for us. We've even seen double drops on this item more than once:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...rops/LBC12.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6...Drops/LBC7.jpg

On the other hand, we've only seen one Tsukikazu haidate. We are about to try all kind of voodoo stuff now, like making different people activate the run instead of always the same person, etc. I keep reading about people getting the same drops over and over with a little change now and then but on different patterns than my group... anyone has any theory about this? >_>

Also, 4th Rampart Peryton has never poped for us in 4 months (or more?) ^^

0/4 ares for me on LBC ;_;

Our last three LBCs have been as such:

Ares body + Ares body (person who was 2/3 wasn't there)
Ares body + Skadi feet (both went to 2/3 people yay)
Ares body + Ares Mask (fuck ares)


now... if all those had been morrigan bodies.... we'd have some very very happy people. Otherwise I have the lvl 25 drop sitting on a mannequin for eternity

http://www.excaliburls.it/mkportal/m...lbum/a_525.jpg

in italian i say : "porco dio^-^"

[Aemora]

So last week we did 2 LBCs, First one dropped ULegs and SFeet (Completing ULegs for a person, and SFeet for someone who has been waiting for over 6 months), and the next dropped ULegs and MBody (Completing another ULegs for someone, and yey not a lame drop).

Then we did Bhaflau NMs last night. Got 5 Gate Widows to pop (4 in the first 20% of it's health >.>) and zero drops. Which sucks, as I'm 2/3 Shalwars and gimme cuffs omg, then we got 4 Skirmishes and the last 2 dropped UFeet on both, completing another long awaited UFeet. Meanwhile, our split group did Arrapago and got yet another ULegs off of Chariot (Making us 6 ULegs, 3 MHands and 0 SFeet our of like, 25 kills (First 12 kills got no drops)). All with TH4.

Why dammit, why no Gate Widow drops ffs... And we've never seen Zebra Zachary :<

[fishstix]

Today's run: Bomber not up, no bee pop, no colibri pop ._.

[Baitosai]

i think my ls has a weird luck pattern with the bee NM for whatever reason. my perma has had 2 runs in a row where we had 4 NM pop or more. once on lightningday and the other on earthsday. we only had 1 drop though (sune-ate). the other perma in our ls had 7 bee NM with 3 sune-ate and 2 masks. i believe two of those NMs had double drops.

[mdkuser]

Not sure if it's been confirmed yet, but I think I got some info on lolbees NM placeholder thing;

We have had 2 lucky bhaflau ramparts runs recently.

1F rampart: we were killing only chigoe 1,2,3 and slept 4,5. We got 5 NM. When the first NM poped, we were killing #1 so
we decided to kill only 2 and 3. The four next NMs only poped out of #3.

2F rampart: same happened, but we only got 2 NMs. We killed #2 and #3 and both poped out of 3.

Those were two different runs.

From now on we will kill 1,2,3 until 50% and if nothing pops we kill 3,4,5.

[Shassira]

Not sure if it's been confirmed yet, but I think I got some info on lolbees NM placeholder thing;

We have had 2 lucky bhaflau ramparts runs recently.

1F rampart: we were killing only chigoe 1,2,3 and slept 4,5. We got 5 NM. When the first NM poped, we were killing #1 so
we decided to kill only 2 and 3. The four next NMs only poped out of #3.

2F rampart: same happened, but we only got 2 NMs. We killed #2 and #3 and both poped out of 3.

Those were two different runs.

From now on we will kill 1,2,3 until 50% and if nothing pops we kill 3,4,5.

The PH theory is very likely, because if not it would really mean that the NM pop rate is absurdly low and there would be no way to explain multi NM pops happening often, unless there's external conditions to it. On top of this, i don't think anyone has ever reported seeing two NMs at the same time as well as the DATs only containing one instance of such NM, which makes this idea even more possible. But also, it's more than likely that the actual PH is chosen at random (or based on who knows what), which cuts our chances of exploiting this.

Only way i can see this being exploited is doing something like what you did, fight the pops normaly keeping track of them and wait for the NM to spawn. Once he spawns you'll know from which PH and after that point you only fight that exact same PH, see if that improves your pop rate dramaticaly. I'm pretty sure that someone with a bit of luck will be able to do this with an almost full rampart and the results should be very visible.

Once this is confirmed (or debunked, but if it's debunked there's nothing more to do in this case ^^; ), next step is gathering data on what pop number was your PH under what circumstances (like weather, day of entrance, etc) and maybe we'd be able to see a pattern here to predict which one will be. Chances are this will be easier to check with Mad Bomber's rampart because being at the start of the run and on first floor means less conditions that can take action (for example, no time related marks upon arriving to a floor, like Zhayolm).

That's the test i've been wanting to perform, but we are still stuck killing LBC for the never droping stupid ass usukane 25. Yay.