Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Scorp]

We had 2 groups from our linkshell do bhlafau last night. The first group entered about 20minutes before the other. Only the first group saw madbomber (no gate widows).

Both groups entered the 2nd floor rampart at night time (after 20:00) on Watersday. Group 1 saw 3 Skirmish pops and 1 drop, group 4 saw 4 skirmish pops and 1 drop. (Group 1 also ended with 5 wasps up due to the main DD dcing, so may have been another one due). Both started popping after 50% on the rampart to (finally managed to stop one of our group wanting to kill them off at 50%).

Whilst this could be just co-incidence it seems to suggest that the conditions of the moon/day/time have more to do with skirmish than actions on the run.

[Afrohatch]

Can always try shouting!

[Conrad]

Shouting worked for us the other night too >_> Was on F1, guy started taunting the Rampart...

Gate Widow popped, dropped Macha's Cuffs.

[Ferien]

Shouting worked for us the other night too >_> Was on F1, guy started taunting the Rampart...

Gate Widow popped, dropped Macha's Cuffs.

It worked for our group the other night as well...apparently calling Gate Widow and Pephredo names makes them pop!

[Kaisho]

Today we got 6 gate widow pops and surprise surprise they all dropped nothing!

[Crizto]

0/2 on the Bees

2/3 on Zebra

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Too bad we were really after the Usakane Feet, and no one needed the Mask. I ended up lotting both, and finishing the lolgloves.

[Cantih]

So that's why Dense has be shouting junk at the rampart.

[Lordwafik]

The other day I used perfect dodge as a joke infront of the rampart and said "Bee will pop next", and well, Pephredo popped after a few mobs


Also what's the lowest you guys have seen a pop ? The other day we were just farming NMs, were lucky enough to get bomber(no widow) , 2f (1/5 hikazu), 3f , and on the 3f, Zachary popped at 9%, never seen NM pop at low % like that before, we got super lucky.

[Wizerd]

The other day I used perfect dodge as a joke infront of the rampart and said "Bee will pop next", and well, Pephredo popped after a few mobs


Also what's the lowest you guys have seen a pop ? The other day we were just farming NMs, were lucky enough to get bomber(no widow) , 2f (1/5 hikazu), 3f , and on the 3f, Zachary popped at 9%, never seen NM pop at low % like that before, we got super lucky.

We had a Zachary pop @ 94% before, followed by 1% (the pop before the disappearing pop), just the two. That count? Never expected to not see it again until 1% after the first early pop.

[Silpha]

Seen Peryton one poping by 4% i think, 2 days ago.
He obviously got hundred fisted + chainspelled

[Lilswitche]

Way back when, we were doing rampart for Gate Widows. We had a pop around 92-94% I think, and then another at 5% that double dropped.

Just yesterday we were doing Skirmish, we normally don't exit out of the ramparts early, but we've been getting into the habit of killing them off at around 25% now. But we had a Bee pop for us at 26%, the first time I've ever seen a NM pop below 50% without having already pumped out a couple NMs already.

[Uzor]

Way back when, we were doing rampart for Gate Widows. We had a pop around 92-94% I think, and then another at 5% that double dropped.

Just yesterday we were doing Skirmish, we normally don't exit out of the ramparts early, but we've been getting into the habit of killing them off at around 25% now. But we had a Bee pop for us at 26%, the first time I've ever seen a NM pop below 50% without having already pumped out a couple NMs already.

We had a skirmish pop at 12% yesterday. Dropped Usukane Feet for the lolPUP (although he do have monk lvled too)

[Veli]

Way back when, we were doing rampart for Gate Widows. We had a pop around 92-94% I think, and then another at 5% that double dropped.

Just yesterday we were doing Skirmish, we normally don't exit out of the ramparts early, but we've been getting into the habit of killing them off at around 25% now. But we had a Bee pop for us at 26%, the first time I've ever seen a NM pop below 50% without having already pumped out a couple NMs already.

got our first pop at 37%.. it can pop anytime...

[Holman]

We had 2 groups from our linkshell do bhlafau last night. The first group entered about 20minutes before the other. Only the first group saw madbomber (no gate widows).

Both groups entered the 2nd floor rampart at night time (after 20:00) on Watersday. Group 1 saw 3 Skirmish pops and 1 drop, group 4 saw 4 skirmish pops and 1 drop. (Group 1 also ended with 5 wasps up due to the main DD dcing, so may have been another one due). Both started popping after 50% on the rampart to (finally managed to stop one of our group wanting to kill them off at 50%).

Whilst this could be just co-incidence it seems to suggest that the conditions of the moon/day/time have more to do with skirmish than actions on the run.

Same Conditions we had when we went my group seen 4, one drop on mask, and the other dropped feet (mine). Actually we seen a pop at 98%, then after we had all bee's down another would pop, I do think without pollen we would have seen more. It was night and watersday, we went for Gate windows on mad bomber and not one pop on earths day.

[Crosis]

NMs can definitely pop late but they happen less often. Also, if you see an early pop a majority of the time you will see at least 2+ more pops.

It's about weighing the benefits, 1 possible late pop or do another rampart for a possibility of lots of pops.

[justinsane63]

Question, I usually do rampart farms with 4-6 people. Was wondering what other low man groups do when Mad Bomber isn't up. Nobody really needs the stuff from Zachary, but some Marduk legs would be nice form Peryton. However, by the time we reach the 4th floor on a Mad Bomber no-show run we only have like 30 mins left. I haven't even tried killing the gears with 4 people, is it possible to get all 10 and still have time to farm some pops? Or do I need to target this rampart on days we choose to skip the 2nd floor (which always takes forever doing melee onry on the physical resist puddings).

[Silpha]

Well, if you're poping the 4rd floor rampart, you could go in and farm some %. As you'll get a weakened LBC, you could prolly keep 10 mins to fight it. so 20 mins to kill gear/farm birds as you're saying you are there with 30. Then just adapt time spent on every part of that when you are used to it.

[justinsane63]

Sorry another question, is it safe to DoT the physical resist puddings w/o risking a form change? I always tell everyone not to do any kind of magic damage, but when you only have 4 people these 2 puddings alone can waste a good 12 mins...

[Wizerd]

Sorry another question, is it safe to DoT the physical resist puddings w/o risking a form change? I always tell everyone not to do any kind of magic damage, but when you only have 4 people these 2 puddings alone can waste a good 12 mins...

Nuke the pudding to ~60%, have the nuker log out to reset hate, and then fight. As long as you nuke before spikes appear, they'll appear pretty easily after that. Also, Siro Kukri is nice on these puddings, it does a good chunk of damage and won't negate the spikes.

It might be possible to kill the gears with 4 if you were RDM, BLM x3 or something, but that would be silly since the rampart would be too difficult to farm. I'd say the birds/Peryton are too strong for 4 to do comfortably anyway, you'd want 6 I think. The fact that you're reaching 4F with only 30min left with 4 people means you're doing something wrong I think. This is about what we have when we finish 2F on a good run, but we farm full gear (even if it means killing every last wamouracampa to get the RDM a ranged cell) and usually kill the room of scorpions for stats, too, to ensure we don't waste any Rampart HP to having 5 mobs out.

If you're not so picky about getting people gear who don't need it, you can be off 1F within 20 minutes or less easily, and pop 2F Rampart 10-12min later, leaving you with nearly 50 minutes once the Rampart is done; 45min on 4F.

[Lyriane]

Recently we had a strange kind of run that's made me curious. We popped 1f rampart and went in. By 90% 3 widows had popped. By 75% 5 widows popped. We then let it get down to about 20% without seeing any more.

(Only 1 Macha's from the whole deal)

This is the first time I've experienced a rampart going from very much "on" to nothing. The possibilities:
- Random luck and I'm stupid for thinking it's more than that.
o Somehow, I don't think so.
o As it happens, this was during 100% Full Moon.
- Some kind of limit on the number of NMs popped by the rampart
o when it's "done" you can leave and save time if that's true.
o is the cap always the same? What might affect it? Is the # of NMs related to the chance of an NM popping, or are these independent?
- Some event that can cause the rampart to "turn off" while still being fought.
o Wish I had more specific clock data, because moving outside it's "pop window" is one annoying candidate.
o Another is that we broke some kind of secret "rule" that made it shut down.

Anyone with similar experiences? If ramparts can turn off, these kind of events could help us get closer to an answer to the big questions.

I ought to set up an honest to god database to log pop events on all the different ramparts. That's the only real way to sift through it for common factors without tracking a million different dumb ideas along the way.