Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Wolfknight]

Sorry it's not only bhafkau remnant post but for a all zone, just didn't wanted to make a new post.

I am making a new salvage SP ATM (got some experience in salvage but first time in leading)

Here is our SP.

MNK (can be pld pup sam)
MNK
WAR
WHM
RDM
BRD
THF (got trotter but no AF2 hands)
BLM (can also be blu)

Was thinking of making BLM come blu exept for some runs like the NM ghost in arrapago and bosses run maybe

any suggestion on it?

sam for LBC a sam/war with a tank set is great for LBC our group prefers sam/war+mnk/nin tanking for most stuff vs 2x mnks and 1st floor sam makes it about same speed to get gear or magic/JA 1st and I'd say blm > blu for most stuff but blu is great against the frogs in ZR and on boss runs consider the war going war/sam so can atleast come in to ws boss for some damage; also @ nifimis for your group if pld has any other jobs should have him bring it pld more of dead weight than any job in salvage, also if you haven't beat boss yet just due him 1st run unless you pull all gears and have a lot of time left(35 mins or more) then do 4th rampart and boss if less time just do boss

[Bakthi]

From the above post, should i hold off on doing a separate rampart and aim jus for 4th FL Rampart?

I would. We used to go in with the thought of "Well, we'll do MB if it's up", but that lead to too many timeouts on LBC, and too much stress on the 4F gear puller. If we can, in the future, consistently do 4F RR and LBC and have like 20+ minutes left over, then I'll think about re-adding 1F. I don't think I'd ever do 2F on an LBC run, because you should basically be able to pop that on any run you want.

[Nfimis]

Ok, Tonight we're gonna retry Bhaflau Remnants. We'll go directly for 4th FL rampart only. I have one last question, which teleport do you take on the 3rd FL to reach the 4th FL chariot that lowers LBC's Defense?

[Munkey]

thing about going straight to the 4th floor rampart is everytime we do this, we always 100% lose one gear in some way shape or form, then besides the 25's you've pretty much wasted a raid. We're pretty tapped on madbomber so we dont even mess with him. We generally hit up flans and rampart if it's not shitting out lolbee's by 40-50% we kill it and move on and hit up 4th floor beofre boss, on a weakened LBC you shouldnt need more than 10 minutes to take it down.

[Fridell]

We always seem to have bad luck with Pannus Cells here - . - and im usually never coming MNK myself to estimate how needed it is (needed yea....but) for LBC. Any group always focus 100% on gettings STR for 2 MNKs etc or you screw em and take down LBC either way with decent speed?

[Drex]

DEX and Feet/Legs are the cells we usually get shafted on, though STR is a close third.

[Fridell]

Usually we get tons of all those you mentioned

[Wolfknight]

We always seem to have bad luck with Pannus Cells here - . - and im usually never coming MNK myself to estimate how needed it is (needed yea....but) for LBC. Any group always focus 100% on gettings STR for 2 MNKs etc or you screw em and take down LBC either way with decent speed?

are you clearing both inner stat rooms on 2nd floor(both north and south)?; I've done plenty of bhau and never really had problem with a type of cell not dropping besides waists(was one run we literally got zero)

[Gundameypon]

Ok. I have read ALOT of post on salvage on BG Forums and to be honest the infprmation has been priceless. I have a bit lost though. I read time after time again of LS's beating a boss in 10 mins. How in the HELL is that done?!?!? 50k hp~0 in 10 mins are you guys kidding, or do you have like 18 ppl, lol.

[Wolfknight]

Ok. I have read ALOT of post on salvage on BG Forums and to be honest the infprmation has been priceless. I have a bit lost though. I read time after time again of LS's beating a boss in 10 mins. How in the HELL is that done?!?!? 50k hp~0 in 10 mins are you guys kidding, or do you have like 18 ppl, lol.

with this tank party we've wreck LBC with go about 9~12 people for him normally and kill 10 min normally record was 7mins 30sec(we had relic GA and relic brd that run):
Party 1:
sam/war
mnk/nin(well geared war/nin w/GA works fine in place of it)
cor/rng
brd/whm(relic or storm)
2x whm/sch

2nd pt usually 3~6 people with some of these jobs:
rng or blm
rng or blm
rdm(though we've done w/o a rdm plenty of times)
thf
drg(or drk/sam for BZ zerg)
empty or extra DD or healer

[JetEnduro]

shafted on vit today >_>;
oh well another lbc ded

[Shassira]

Ok. I have read ALOT of post on salvage on BG Forums and to be honest the infprmation has been priceless. I have a bit lost though. I read time after time again of LS's beating a boss in 10 mins. How in the HELL is that done?!?!? 50k hp~0 in 10 mins are you guys kidding, or do you have like 18 ppl, lol.

You are shocked about 10 minute kills, but you should realize most people here that like to brag about numbers will go out and tell you they down them in 5 minutes
Either way, we've done all bosses with anything from 6 to 11 people. Normaly the melee damage applied to any boss is the same, two melee on it and nothing more, the rest of the damage if any would come from either range attacks (we never have a RNG though) or magic (from PUP, BLM, whatever). In our case, we only have BLMs/PUPs for LBC because we like doing this area with 7-8 so that we can assure insta gear kills, thus making the boss even faster.

I am aware some people use 3 melee on charriots, but your mages need to be ready to take the heat of notoriously higher AoE spam. We do LAC with three melee because of the strategy we use and the WS spam is much higher than usual... our mages just have to deal with it. That means they better have extra refresh pieces, like ToAU ring, rdm head, refresh body, etc... and your BRD better have a Storm Fife. That's 2MP/tick just there. Ofcourse, all this is not a requisite, but every little bit counts. If your MNK is a BB instead of a brown, it means a lot, if your sam is your second melee, use skillchains with the mnk, etc.

Our regular time for boss is 10 minutes to kill to the exception of LAC which takes us around 14. Add two more minutes for loot passing/loting and i usualy just allocatge 15 minutes for every boss.

There are exceptional bosses though. Sometimes you will get Revitalizers, Body Boosts and/or Fanatic's Drinks, not to mention Assassin's drink or Oracles, which we love to give to our RDM (our RDM usualy chainspells the last bit of the rampart, it's a pretty neat chunk of damage). All of these things make for a faster kill. A MNK that can hundredfist without taking any dmg or being paralyzed a single hit due to fanatic's, sams and mnks that can 2hour more than once, etc. Also, if you happen to have a COR, he/she could always end up rolling a V/VI and making it even faster.

Our record is, i believe, almost 4 minutes for LBC (nerfed). Our last LBC kill took less than 6 minutes, we had double brds in that one. It's really all about your setup and how risky you play it, but you don't need many melee, at all.

A final tip would be: Make your BRD 2hour early if he/she has troubador. With it, you can have SVed songs for like 6-7 minutes. If your normal charriot time kill is 15 minutes and you 2hour the last chunk, try making your BRD 2hour way before and keep it up. A full battle with SV will make things much faster. I guess depending on your own setup the sweet point for SV will vary. Try it at 60% first and if you kill it before the full SV effect wears off, push it higher till you don't finish it.

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EDIT: About the stat cells from inner rooms in 2FE:

We have observed a "pattern" here. It would see to us that there is a "theme stat cell" for every independant run where we see the same stat droping over and over from many mobs and, at the same time, a stat that will always drop from only one mob or sometimes even not drop at all. But these vary. We've seen mobs drop entire pools of STR and then no INT and viceversa. As to what could cause this, i have no idea, we haven't looked into it. We've considered day of entry and other usual stuff, but we always forget to check, so we have no clue But the pattern is there, at least for us.

[ringthree]

Ok. I have read ALOT of post on salvage on BG Forums and to be honest the infprmation has been priceless. I have a bit lost though. I read time after time again of LS's beating a boss in 10 mins. How in the HELL is that done?!?!? 50k hp~0 in 10 mins are you guys kidding, or do you have like 18 ppl, lol.

7 people can usually kill a gear-nerfed LBC in 12-14 minutes, IF they are top geared and have two hours, especially Soul Voice. Also Bhaflau is rather generous with good temp items from chests.

You can kill a gear and West side chariot-nerfed LBC much faster, but time is traded off with having to kill the West side chariot. If you have gear warp on you or if you are limited on time, I very much encourage killing the Chariot to make LBC much easier.

If you are newer to boss kills or if your DD's are more middle of the road, definitely leave yourself more time.

[Darkmoon]

Last Weak LBC we took out in a little over 7 Mins.

We used the following setup.

WAR/nin
WAR/nin
WAR/nin
BRD (relic)
WHM
RDM

BLM
BLM
PLD/nin (we use this for a holder on a bad Homing missle if its not weakened)
THF
RNG

Only 2hrs used were the 3 Wars (all 3 are Great Axe) and one had a Revit, so 4 Mighty Strikes + Feint it went down rather fast.

(now if it would drop less Boob's Crown, and Phobos's Bodys......)


As said above some people use 3 Melee. We do, we typicaly use 3 GAX Wars on all chariots. We do have Relic BRD for the extra MP/Healing needed, but most the times there are never MP issues. all 4 Chariots go down rather easy by 3 GAX wars. We do rotate other jobs for diffrent runs to help with clearance speed. Ie AR we bring 2 mnks insted of a PLD and a RNG. We still have 2-3 GAX wars, but the Mnks are used for raw damage on the early floors, and we just have the wars tank the boss, since we gear them. As I think I have said before, and many others. Its not really about putting 2 MNKs or XXX jobs aginst the bosses, you need to have people that are good at the job, that know how to tank while doing damage. Shitty tanks = shitty runs = shitty boss kill speed.

[Aemora]

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4/4 Gate Widow. Most we've ever had ;_; Time to spam Zhayolm.

[Conrad]

How'd you do those number things on the Chigoes >_>

[Aemora]

POLUtils

If you think that I may have bugged it somehow (because of various 'hacking' that's been going on), the actual site is here, download from there if you don't trust me (even though its the same links), and play around with it. NPC renamer > Select zone > Number your mobs, etc...

[Terrestrialrage]

7 people can usually kill a gear-nerfed LBC in 12-14 minutes

7 people SHOULD be able to kill any non-LAC boss in 7-9 minutes. 12-14 would be with mediocre melees.

Last Weak LBC we took out in a little over 7 Mins.

We used the following setup.

WAR/nin
WAR/nin
WAR/nin
BRD (relic)
WHM
RDM

BLM
BLM
PLD/nin (we use this for a holder on a bad Homing missle if its not weakened)
THF
RNG

11 people and he should be down in 5, 6 tops

[Cream Soda]

POLUtils

If you think that I may have bugged it somehow (because of various 'hacking' that's been going on), the actual site is here, download from there if you don't trust me (even though its the same links), and play around with it. NPC renamer > Select zone > Number your mobs, etc...

Looks like it would be useful for camping smaller NMs via changing the name of the PH lol.

[ringthree]

7 people can usually kill a gear-nerfed LBC in 12-14 minutes

7 people SHOULD be able to kill any non-LAC boss in 7-9 minutes. 12-14 would be with mediocre melees.

If you only count fighting time, which is a pretty bad idea in general. 12-14 gives you time to zone up, rebuff and the rather crucial time to deal with the drops after it is dead. I doubt the person looking for information here needs to know how fast you can kill LBC in a vacuum.