Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Shassira]

7 people can usually kill a gear-nerfed LBC in 12-14 minutes

7 people SHOULD be able to kill any non-LAC boss in 7-9 minutes. 12-14 would be with mediocre melees.

If you only count fighting time, which is a pretty bad idea in general. 12-14 gives you time to zone up, rebuff and the rather crucial time to deal with the drops after it is dead. I doubt the person looking for information here needs to know how fast you can kill LBC in a vacuum.

Thank god someone has the mind to say this. People love to say how they kill a boss in 5 minutes, which is true if you time from the moment you make the first hit till the moment the thing turns grey. But that's about it, there is usualy more time involved in practice. I wish people kept this type of mindset when giving real advice to others.
I guess everyone should follow the rule of thumb in forums: "Take what people say as exceptional cases and not normal cases, even if they speak as if".

[Terrestrialrage]

12-14 gives you time to zone up, rebuff and the rather crucial time to deal with the drops after it is dead.

Drops can be out of the pool in 10 seconds if people care about them. So you're suggesting that buffing and zoning up (Buff before zone up so you don't have to rest the MP back) takes 5-6 minutes? Zone up to Arrapago boss with 6:45 remaining with 7, one being a Thf that never hit it once, have shit passed out, and half the people warped by the time you're kicked out. Yes, 7 minutes.

People love to say how they kill a boss in 5 minutes, which is true if you time from the moment you make the first hit till the moment the thing turns grey.

If it takes you more than 1-2 minutes to buff and run, you might be retarded. Any boss that isn't LAC can be killed in 7-9 minutes, accounting for Buff time and running time, with 6 people (Our Thf doesn't melee bosses).

If you want to be safe sure, give yourself 15 minutes for boss. I'd rather farm a rampart a little bit further and still get the boss kill off.

[Shassira]

12-14 gives you time to zone up, rebuff and the rather crucial time to deal with the drops after it is dead.

Drops can be out of the pool in 10 seconds if people care about them. So you're suggesting that buffing and zoning up (Buff before zone up so you don't have to rest the MP back) takes 5-6 minutes? Zone up to Arrapago boss with 6:45 remaining with 7, one being a Thf that never hit it once, have shit passed out, and half the people warped by the time you're kicked out. Yes, 7 minutes.

[quote:33tfjh82]People love to say how they kill a boss in 5 minutes, which is true if you time from the moment you make the first hit till the moment the thing turns grey.

If it takes you more than 1-2 minutes to buff and run, you might be retarded. Any boss that isn't LAC can be killed in 7-9 minutes, accounting for Buff time and running time, with 6 people (Our Thf doesn't melee bosses).

If you want to be safe sure, give yourself 15 minutes for boss. I'd rather farm a rampart a little bit further and still get the boss kill off.[/quote:33tfjh82]


Yeah, you're right, my bad. Anyone that doesn't kill a boss in 7 minutes with 6 people and a thf that doesn't melee (so your runs are with 7? Are you the kind of person that says you do runs with 6 people but takes an extra thf yet doesn't count it?) must be retarded. I probably have never done salvage ever and we haven't finished any piece either. I guess i forgot where i was posting My bad.

[JetEnduro]

12-14 gives you time to zone up, rebuff and the rather crucial time to deal with the drops after it is dead.

Drops can be out of the pool in 10 seconds if people care about them. So you're suggesting that buffing and zoning up (Buff before zone up so you don't have to rest the MP back) takes 5-6 minutes? Zone up to Arrapago boss with 6:45 remaining with 7, one being a Thf that never hit it once, have shit passed out, and half the people warped by the time you're kicked out. Yes, 7 minutes.

[quote:wavrawva]People love to say how they kill a boss in 5 minutes, which is true if you time from the moment you make the first hit till the moment the thing turns grey.

If it takes you more than 1-2 minutes to buff and run, you might be retarded. Any boss that isn't LAC can be killed in 7-9 minutes, accounting for Buff time and running time, with 6 people (Our Thf doesn't melee bosses).

If you want to be safe sure, give yourself 15 minutes for boss. I'd rather farm a rampart a little bit further and still get the boss kill off.

Yeah, you're right, my bad. Anyone that doesn't kill a boss in 7 minutes with 6 people and a thf that doesn't melee (so your runs are with 7? Are you the kind of person that says you do runs with 6 people but takes an extra thf yet doesn't count it?) must be retarded. I probably have never done salvage ever and we haven't finished any piece either. I guess i forgot where i was posting My bad.[/quote:wavrawva]

[Terrestrialrage]

(so your runs are with 7? Are you the kind of person that says you do runs with 6 people but takes an extra thf yet doesn't count it?)

No my Thf has a Mandau, so i very much count her as a member.

It is kinda funny, however, that you think finishing a Salvage piece makes you credible. Many people have done salvage and completed a piece, doesn't mean that 80% of the people on that run know dick about salvage except how to play their job. A boss can be killed in 5-7 minutes from the time of engage, 7-9 for buffs + running time, with 6 people. Nothing special is needed outside of players skilled at their jobs, period. We bring a Mandau Thf who doesnt fight bosses. Saying bosses require 15 minutes is ignorant, or your group is ineffective in Salvage, which is why you'll be complacent with your 1-2 completed pieces a month.

[Aburu]

Darksday First Quarter Moon 40%~ between 21h and 00h 4 Zebra Zachary pops, 2 ares hands 35 and a skadi head 35.

[Shassira]

(so your runs are with 7? Are you the kind of person that says you do runs with 6 people but takes an extra thf yet doesn't count it?)

No my Thf has a Mandau, so i very much count her as a member.

It is kinda funny, however, that you think finishing a Salvage piece makes you credible.

I
'm not the one posting screenshots about the pieces i've completed. I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but it sure is shooting back at you, isn't it?

Many people have done salvage and completed a piece, doesn't mean that 80% of the people on that run know dick about salvage except how to play their job. A boss can be killed in 5-7 minutes from the time of engage, 7-9 for buffs + running time, with 6 people. Nothing special is needed outside of players skilled at their jobs, period. We bring a Mandau Thf who doesnt fight bosses.

Saying that porting up at the 10 minute time frame is safe would be missguiding people that are looking for advice. If you want to show off your numbers, that's one thing, but give them complete information. Just saying "you are retarded if you can't" makes you look like someone who takes the whole game a bit too serious to define your own self but not someone who wishes to help other people that might need such information.

Saying bosses require 15 minutes is ignorant, or your group is ineffective in Salvage

A boss does not require 15 minutes. A boss is safe to do in 15 minutes, which is what anyone starting at salvage should aim for. Again, do you come here to show off or to provide helpfull advice to people that read?

which is why you'll be complacent with your 1-2 completed pieces a month.

So you tell me this... when you started the post saying:

It is kinda funny, however, that you think finishing a Salvage piece makes you credible.

You make yourself sound terribly smart.
Btw, before you continue assuming stuff about the group i lead, we finished 6 pieces last month. The month before another 5. We do only 3 runs every week. And i still don't take shots to post them as my sig nor come here trying to show off my numbers. Our personal record on LBC was 3 minutes 40 seconds or something around that, under 4 minutes. I don't think anyone cares at all if it's possible when they come here asking for help. Oh, and i forgot, we don't even have relics.

[ringthree]

(so your runs are with 7? Are you the kind of person that says you do runs with 6 people but takes an extra thf yet doesn't count it?)

No my Thf has a Mandau, so i very much count her as a member.

It is kinda funny, however, that you think finishing a Salvage piece makes you credible. Many people have done salvage and completed a piece, doesn't mean that 80% of the people on that run know dick about salvage except how to play their job. A boss can be killed in 5-7 minutes from the time of engage, 7-9 for buffs + running time, with 6 people. Nothing special is needed outside of players skilled at their jobs, period. We bring a Mandau Thf who doesnt fight bosses. Saying bosses require 15 minutes is ignorant, or your group is ineffective in Salvage, which is why you'll be complacent with your 1-2 completed pieces a month.

Woah! Watch out for the flailing e-peen!

You know, I don't care if you exaggerate your kill times, or if you give bad advice, but calling someone ignorant because they are suggesting a reasonable amount of time for someone already struggling enough to ask for advice is just the epitome of ridiculousness.

A boss CAN be killed in 5-7 minutes but that is completely esoteric information, because it doesn't help the person that is asking for advice.

Also, the idea that taking 12-14 minutes for a boss instead of 7-9 minutes means anything about your competition rate of Salvage pieces is truly ignorant. The only zone that matters one bit in is Bhaflau, for the rest of the zones the completion time for a boss is completely irrelevant to the incredibly horrible drop rate of the NMs. The only thing that really determines the pace of completed pieces it the amount of times that you do Salvage. The more often you do it, the more often you are going to complete pieces. Being able to kill a boss in 5 less minutes doesn't do anything to effect the luck of spawns or drops.

Get over yourself. LOL You aren't helping anyone with your "I'm so much cooler than you" attitude, and you are just making yourself look like a douche.

[Terrestrialrage]

Its almost funny how you guys think I'm "showing off" when the only thing my original point was saying was that 7 people, once they're established, shouldn't be taking 12-14 minutes on a boss. Ringthree's post was completely inaccurate, here, i'll quote the entire line:

7 people can usually kill a gear-nerfed LBC in 12-14 minutes, IF they are top geared and have two hours, especially Soul Voice

Thats completely inaccurate. I simply use my group as an example that, with 7 and good gear (not TOP gear), you should take 7-9 minutes on a boss. Whose being more helpful, someone posting correct information or someone being completely wrong? You're so quick to jump people's dicks when they post anything that doesn't follow your guidelines that it almost makes me believe that you're insecure about your group/abilities.

The only zone that matters one bit in is Bhaflau, for the rest of the zones the completion time for a boss is completely irrelevant

Wrong. The quicker you can kill a boss, the longer you can farm for gear/35s/account for fuck ups. A group just starting should aim to kill a boss in 10 minutes, eventually lowering their time to the best that they can achieve. Every zone is time restricted in one way or another, where having a quick boss kill would benefit in some way.

Our personal record on LBC was 3 minutes 40 seconds or something around that

Grats on bringing 12 people into salvage. And yes, i do post screenshots of my completed salvage pieces as my sig, I'm damn proud of the fact that we kick ass at salvage, something not many LSs or static groups can say. Please, pull the "Get a life" card on me next...

makes you look like someone who takes the whole game a bit too serious

Damn, too late.

[ringthree]

Its almost funny how you guys think I'm "showing off" when the only thing my original point was saying was that 7 people, once they're established, shouldn't be taking 12-14 minutes on a boss. Ringthree's post was completely inaccurate, here, i'll quote the entire line:

7 people can usually kill a gear-nerfed LBC in 12-14 minutes, IF they are top geared and have two hours, especially Soul Voice

Thats completely inaccurate. I simply use my group as an example that, with 7 and good gear (not TOP gear), you should take 7-9 minutes on a boss. Whose being more helpful, someone posting correct information or someone being completely wrong? You're so quick to jump people's dicks when they post anything that doesn't follow your guidelines that it almost makes me believe that you're insecure about your group/abilities.

Guy, you are just beating up your own strawman, not making an argument. You can kill LBC is however much time you take, but if you don't leave time (which is what I was referring to) for prep and travel, you are going to time out, especially if you are a new group like the person asking for advice.

The only zone that matters one bit in is Bhaflau, for the rest of the zones the completion time for a boss is completely irrelevant

Wrong. The quicker you can kill a boss, the longer you can farm for gear/35s/account for fuck ups. A group just starting should aim to kill a boss in 10 minutes, eventually lowering their time to the best that they can achieve. Every zone is time restricted in one way or another, where having a quick boss kill would benefit in some way.

If you have more time you can make another frog spawn on 6F Zhayolm? Having more time makes Hammerblow more likely to drop? Oh wait... accounting for fuck ups... or maybe leaving some extra time for prep and travel, especially if you are a new group like the person asking for advice.

Our personal record on LBC was 3 minutes 40 seconds or something around that

Grats on bringing 12 people into salvage. And yes, i do post screenshots of my completed salvage pieces as my sig, I'm damn proud of the fact that we kick ass at salvage, something not many LSs or static groups can say. Please, pull the "Get a life" card on me next...

Wow! You got Salvage pieces? Thats awesome! I don't think anyone else has those yet!

It's not the "get a life" card, it's the "you aren't as special as you think" card.

I am sure you feel like you are "winning" this argument. But you are just stating what you do in Salvage and not helping the person that was asking for advice, you are just stroking off on the internet.

[Lordwafik]

These last few posts have been very insightful towards the innards of Bhaflau Remnants.

[Shassira]

These last few posts have been very insightful towards the innards of Bhaflau Remnants.

Sadly there's not much more to it, aparently D: MB is random unless you like to believe Kirin-style myths, doors are ON or OFF but we have no idea what else to try to influence such thing and LBC is just plain ol'LBC with his nerfing conditions. I wouldn't mind having a dev talk about these things, but they'll likely say "Mad Bomber? We'll have to check what that NM is first". Yeah.

Grats on bringing 12 people into salvage.

It was with 7, fully nerfed, 3 revitalizers, 2 fanatic's. =P

[Wizerd]

Terrestrialrage: I find it perplexing how you're claiming that any boss can be killed in 5-7 minutes (from first hit to death), and yet when I brought 2 top-geared MNKs regularly, along with the proper support and a BLM in a 7-man team, it took us about 9-12 minutes depending on the boss, for anything other than weakened LBC. And now, with a top-geared Ridill WAR (who melees with Ridill) and a Kikoku NIN, we've brought that down to about 10 minutes per boss. Just because you've killed LBC a few times in 5 minutes with 7 people doesn't mean you can do it regularly to other bosses.

It has nothing to do with skill, and everything to do with chariot evasion, defense, and HP.

Also, our record is ~2 minutes and 45 seconds on LBC, defense weakened and Homing Missile weakened, with 7 people: 2 MNKs, 2 Revitilizers, 0 Fanatic's Drinks, and a BLM with Ass/Oracle/Manafont. Oooo...?

Point is, you're a retard, and if someone asks for help, you're supposed to assess the time you normally take, then double it because not only is your time always exaggorated (doesn't matter who you are), your unexaggorated time is still too tight for a new group.

[ringthree]

These last few posts have been very insightful towards the innards of Bhaflau Remnants.

More like the innards of my bowel remnants. LOL

I am such a nerd. ._.;

[Nyuneko]

Let's just summarize the whole thing and go back to the wild theories of how to pop MB on a certain vanadiel day in September, if for nothing, those wild theories are still mildly entertaining.

Summary:
-Terrestrialrage is flailing epeen.
-Having a Mandau THF to stand and watch you fight LBC will greatly enhances the battle, the power of THF. Someone should parse how much an AFK Mandau THF is doing to AV when he is staring at his Mog.
-Lordwafik has a point.
-15 mins+ to be the safest time to beat LBC for newer groups.
-Get a Mandau THF, believe in the power of the glare.
-Lordwafik has a point.

So, we tried sending our only male member to dance to Gate Widow rampart, but she didn't come out, may be our only male member at that time isn't handsome enough, or may be this is another wild theory?

[Uzor]

I always aim at having 10+ minute for all bosses, even if we can kill them in much less time. Why? Because you shouldn't always assume everything goes the way you're expecting it to. If you can kill it in 5 min, lot in 10 sec, you shouldn't have 5 min 11 sec to kill a boss. Should still leave more time to be safe to account for fuck ups and unexpected turn of events. It doesn't matter how good your group is, everyone's only human, and mistakes do happen. Such as your BRD DC'ing, or one of your melees being tired and dieing due to being slow with utsu. Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD, especially not for a new group that isn't as experienced.


Besides, I've made it a point that if a single rampart pops a NM, I turn it in to a full farming run instead of rampart + boss.

[eva00r]

Can WAR tank LBC ? Unfortunately our MNK will be away for a while.

Can anyone suggest how to fight, subjob (SAM or NIN) and equipment to use?

And 1 more question about which barspells do you guy use vs LBC ?

[Kaylia]

Can WAR tank LBC ? Unfortunately our MNK will be away for a while.

Can anyone suggest how to fight, subjob (SAM or NIN) and equipment to use?

And 1 more question about which barspells do you guy use vs LBC ?

Solo? With a mnk? Two war?

Weakened. Yes, it's easy. Not weakened...good luck. I've done it (war/nin), but it's the hardest one imo. Double attack for 400dmg, para/bind tp move that wipe shadow and hurt a lot and having to move constantly make it a pain in the ass.

[Meat]

Can WAR tank LBC ? Unfortunately our MNK will be away for a while.

Can anyone suggest how to fight, subjob (SAM or NIN) and equipment to use?

And 1 more question about which barspells do you guy use vs LBC ?

un weakened might be tough, war\nin with a choppa does will i think

[Wolfknight]

Can WAR tank LBC ? Unfortunately our MNK will be away for a while.

Can anyone suggest how to fight, subjob (SAM or NIN) and equipment to use?

And 1 more question about which barspells do you guy use vs LBC ?

we actually prefer war/nin over mnk/nin for LBC fight seems to go faster and more smoothly for us; I've done sam/war(tank set for third-eye down) + war/nin w/martial or perdu plenty of times; are wars had good haste set(dusk hand/turban/swift belt/byakko's/unicorn) I don't know how a war w/o haste will fair; I'd say try war/sam but war doesn't get access to much -physical% gear; did both unweakened and weakened before but if not weakened make sure to erase tanks fast so they can move.