Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[mdkuser]

a little question, maybe you just reply to it but i don't want to read 50 pages XD yesterday we gone to do bhaflau boss, all ok but gear, with wind weather, was pretty impossibile to defeat! in 11 with 1xmnk 2xsam 1xblm 1xwar 2xthf 1xbrd 2xrdm 1xwhm with all eq unlocked we hasn't defeat gear ( 9% first, 10% second then we stopped)!! damn!! Wind weather got boost also with hp/defense on them? we was ok on tp and mp for nuking too!

and another question: I read some of you make it without killing gear..how it's possibile? we wipe for hate problem, curing mnk's after homing missile not weakened create hate for mages and they died....what strategy you use without killing gear?

EIther your BLM sucks, your DDs suck or your RDMs suck. The BLM should nuke like crazy each gear. When I go BLM I do 1/3 dmg on each gear. Your RDM(s) should be nuking. Your Melees should be dealing dammage, and your THF(s) should back off.

[Darkhelmet]

a little question, maybe you just reply to it but i don't want to read 50 pages XD yesterday we gone to do bhaflau boss, all ok but gear, with wind weather, was pretty impossibile to defeat! in 11 with 1xmnk 2xsam 1xblm 1xwar 2xthf 1xbrd 2xrdm 1xwhm with all eq unlocked we hasn't defeat gear ( 9% first, 10% second then we stopped)!! damn!! Wind weather got boost also with hp/defense on them? we was ok on tp and mp for nuking too!

and another question: i read some of you make it without killing gear..how it's possibile? we wipe for hate problem, curing mnk's after homing missile not weakened create hate for mages and they died....what strategy you use without killing gear?

Damn.. if you can't kill the gears with 11 I don't know what to tell you.. seems like a skillchain from the two SAMs alone plus a magic burst with 3 mages would completely take out a gear. Pile on a MNK, WAR, and 2 THFs and you should have absolutely no problem killing the gears regardless of how those jobs are geared.

My group goes with 6 or 7. We're actually starting to get to a point where we just say screw the gears and run straight to Long-Bowed Chariot. Our setup is MNK (me), WAR, THF, BRD, RDM, WHM.. and if we have 7, we bring a BLM.

For the fight, I'm the only tank, and I'm the only one dealing damage to it - although the THF hits LBC with ranged attacks and occasionally does TA+WS and SA. The WAR sits back and vokes LBC every 30 seconds in case Homing Missile goes off. In the case that HM goes off, the WAR starts spamming job abilities to try to get hate. I have subtle blow +22 in my gear and capped penance, so tanking it with 1 person is a joke and almost fool-proof. The BLM has his finger on his stun macro in the event that HM is used, but my WHM is really good about erasing bind asap. This method does take considerably longer, but if you consider how long it takes to kill the 10 gears, it might actually be quicker (no, I'm not counting you epeeners that zerg it in 2 minutes).

[Hapernack]

just wait till NM pop rate and SSR drop rate to be boosted in next patch.......

well hope its the next patch because SE didnt mention which patch lmao

Yeah by SE's past actions I'd say we'll get it about 6 seconds before the planet explodes.

[ringthree]

The problem with Homing Missile for me, is simply that it'll use Homing Missile sometimes while turning. It's really annoying to get the movement timing perfect only to see it ruined because of this. Q_Q

It's just luck and being able to recover when it happens.

[ringthree]

just wait till NM pop rate and SSR drop rate to be boosted in next patch.......

well hope its the next patch because SE didnt mention which patch lmao

When they announced it I got the impression it would be in the next update. *shurg* Hopefully it will be.

[The Blackrose]

and another question: i read some of you make it without killing gear..how it's possibile? we wipe for hate problem, curing mnk's after homing missile not weakened create hate for mages and they died....what strategy you use without killing gear?

Your Monks need to tank from the sides. Up until 25% I believe, the Chariot will turn to the person with hate to denote that it's using Homing Missile. It will not turn for Inertia Stream and Discharge. If it turns, break lock and get back on the sides quickly and he'll either turn again to try to use HM or use IS/Discharge. Rinse and repeat. Erasing Bind from Inertia Stream is VITAL.

If HM does go off, we have a person that's either WAR or SAM to act as a clutch Provoke while Monks try to take back hate.

Also, it helps if your mages are sitting in HM radius too. If they get hit with it, then hate will wipe for everyone involved. Just don't use high-enmity spells (ie Cure 4).

EDIT:

30+ runs and finally got 4 bees to pop. 3/4 Boots, no Mask.

[mdkuser]

It will not turn for Inertia Stream and Discharge.

It will. most of the time he wont use HM but insertia/discharge after it turns. But it can ONLY use HM when it turns.

[The Blackrose]

It will. most of the time he wont use HM but insertia/discharge after it turns. But it can ONLY use HM when it turns.

Guess I need to pay a little more attention then. I don't tank Salvage bosses, only blow them up.

[ringthree]

Your Monks need to tank from the sides. Up until 25% I believe, the Chariot will turn to the person with hate to denote that it's using Homing Missile. It will not turn for Inertia Stream and Discharge. If it turns, break lock and get back on the sides quickly and he'll either turn again to try to use HM or use IS/Discharge. Rinse and repeat. Erasing Bind from Inertia Stream is VITAL.

If HM does go off, we have a person that's either WAR or SAM to act as a clutch Provoke while Monks try to take back hate.

Also, it helps if your mages are sitting in HM radius too. If they get hit with it, then hate will wipe for everyone involved. Just don't use high-enmity spells (ie Cure 4).

EDIT:

30+ runs and finally got 4 bees to pop. 3/4 Boots, no Mask.

It turns more and more as it's HP goes down. HM can only be used with a target in front of it. The turns and the TP moves are not connected. And it doesn't necessarily use HM if it is facing. It is always an option for a TP from the beginning to the end.

Congrats on the boots.

[VZX]

a little question, maybe you just reply to it but i don't want to read 50 pages XD yesterday we gone to do bhaflau boss, all ok but gear, with wind weather, was pretty impossibile to defeat! in 11 with 1xmnk 2xsam 1xblm 1xwar 2xthf 1xbrd 2xrdm 1xwhm with all eq unlocked we hasn't defeat gear ( 9% first, 10% second then we stopped)!! damn!! Wind weather got boost also with hp/defense on them? we was ok on tp and mp for nuking too!

and another question: i read some of you make it without killing gear..how it's possibile? we wipe for hate problem, curing mnk's after homing missile not weakened create hate for mages and they died....what strategy you use without killing gear?

Have double march and haste going on melee, at least in main PT. And have RDM do Dia II/III on the gear. That's pretty much the strat we always use.
BLU is pretty good for zerging gear too. Have them spam the big 3 and CA Disseverment everytime it's up.

[Hanyoko]

When i'm a healer on LBC and the homing missile has the hate reset...... I let it hit me.

[Darkhelmet]

I much prefer March and Minuet instead of March x 2 in just about any situation, including bosses, but to each his own I guess.

[Ultimagi]

If you're using March for Utsusemi timers, you only need Victory March. If you're tanking on Samurai and using it to increase your damage potential, having near capped Haste outweighs Minuet, that's when both is better.

[ringthree]

If you're using March for Utsusemi timers, you only need Victory March. If you're tanking on Samurai and using it to increase your damage potential, having near capped Haste outweighs Minuet, that's when both is better.

You have to have pimp SAM gear to get the benefit of a second March over Minuet if I remember correctly from one of Amele's discussions a couple of months ago. And that doesn't count the effect of the songs on other people. We generally use 3 people for tanking and we generally prefer March and Minuet.

[Valyana]

I tend to use March/Minuet myself, usually with NIN and MNK tanks eating sushi. MNK without sushi or madrigal tends to get ~60% acc on bosses, GAxe WAR ~75% in my parses. Not sure about weapon merits on those two players.

[Neosutra]

I tend to use March/Minuet myself, usually with NIN and MNK tanks eating sushi. MNK without sushi or madrigal tends to get ~60% acc on bosses, GAxe WAR ~75% in my parses. Not sure about weapon merits on those two players.

Jesus christ, what the fuck are your mnks wearing to get 60% acc on bosses w/o sushi.

[mdkuser]

roffl yea.

Full usukane= 90%+ acc, standard non usukane set up= 85%. Less and your monk is gimp~.~

[ringthree]

I tend to use March/Minuet myself, usually with NIN and MNK tanks eating sushi. MNK without sushi or madrigal tends to get ~60% acc on bosses, GAxe WAR ~75% in my parses. Not sure about weapon merits on those two players.

Tell them to try Marinara Pizza. It's sexy. I still prefer meat in general for Salvage, because it is very good for the rest of the zone and it doesn't hurt my accuracy much.

[ringthree]

roffl yea.

Full usukane= 90%+ acc, standard non usukane set up= 85%. Less and your monk is gimp~.~

I need to parse it, but I really don't think I ever get 90% accuracy on bosses without some other kind of back-up, and I highly doubt I got 85% in the past.

Why do people always use exaggerations for what they can do then claim that anyone else can't do it is gimp?

[Neosutra]

What gear do you use ringthree? I havent parsed bosses in a while, but Im usually near cap with min/marchX2 on bosses. (Focus -> feint rotations help that). Should only spend about 2 min out of 5 at less than 95% acc, and even then with full usu it shouldnt be below 90% with dex unlocked.