Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[ringthree]

What gear do you use ringthree? I havent parsed bosses in a while, but Im usually near cap with min/marchX2 on bosses. (Focus -> feint rotations help that). Should only spend about 2 min out of 5 at less than 95% acc, and even then with full usu it shouldnt be below 90% with dex unlocked.

I haven't parsed them in a while either. I will try to do so the next time we go. I always forget to put up Focus during boss fights. LOL

Here is my MNK gear: - FFXIAH.com

[mdkuser]

I need to parse it, but I really don't think I ever get 90% accuracy on bosses without some other kind of back-up, and I highly doubt I got 85% in the past.

Why do people always use exaggerations for what they can do then claim that anyone else can't do it is gimp?

not exagerations it comes from parses. Bhaflau boss that is. Arrapago boss too IF I am fully unlocked. I use hades sainty for bosses.

[ringthree]

Could you post those parses? I am just curious as to the results, and could you include the buffs you had at the time?

Like I said, I haven't parsed a boss fight in a long time, so I am curious as to the results. I will of course defer to parsed results over my own speculation.

I also see that you have limited your comments to Bhaflau, which could be more reasonable dependent on the level of nerf, and (still speculative) if you have killed the 4th floor Chariot. I originally thought you were saying your accuracy was that high on all the bosses.

[Devek]

My monk almost never misses, but I use pizza.

The +acc% helps with counterstance.

[Darkhelmet]

roffl yea.

Full usukane= 90%+ acc, standard non usukane set up= 85%. Less and your monk is gimp~.~

Either your numbers are wrong, or my MNK is gimp. I'm going to go with your numbers being wrong unless you post some parsers to back that up, including what buffs you had on.

- FFXIAH.com

Less than 85% accuracy doesn't mean your MNK is gimp.. although 60% might mean that.

[Neosutra]

I think alot of us are just getting too used to how powerful mnk is in a hybrid acc set (or full usu) nowadays. A full haste turban/shura/byakko/bandy/fuma mnk was by no means gimp 1-2 years ago, but with the addition of alot of the usukane set and alot more acc options in other spots allowing mnks to still get near the haste cap and add about 30+ more acc to their TP set really changes how we view things. 2 years ago I wouldnt have been able to eat meat on bosses and keep 90% + acc w/o madrigals. LBC, and some other bosses as well, can really be evasive to an older "traditional mnk".

7 acc on usu head, 10 on usu hands (or 10 acc kote if you dont have them), 7 more for actually using an acc ring instead of rajas for TP >.>, 2-4 for ranged slot, and you are looking at nearly 30 more acc than you are currently TPing in. Rotating these spots back to attack/haste during focus and youve just bumped your hit rate up 15% w/ the ability to each meat full time and/or switch to another march/minuet over madrigals.

I understand not every mnk has usu feet/head, and/or dont choose to use acc hands over attack while focus is down, or even cul's mantle, but there are ALOT of options nowadays for mnks to reach above and beyond their previous acc limitations. Just need to adapt a bit and start reaching your potential. That and get some more usukane to drop

[ringthree]

I think alot of us are just getting too used to how powerful mnk is in a hybrid acc set (or full usu) nowadays. A full haste turban/shura/byakko/bandy/fuma mnk was by no means gimp 1-2 years ago, but with the addition of alot of the usukane set and alot more acc options in other spots allowing mnks to still get near the haste cap and add about 30+ more acc to their TP set really changes how we view things. 2 years ago I wouldnt have been able to eat meat on bosses and keep 90% + acc w/o madrigals. LBC, and some other bosses as well, can really be evasive to an older "traditional mnk".

7 acc on usu head, 10 on usu hands (or 10 acc kote if you dont have them), 7 more for actually using an acc ring instead of rajas for TP >.>, 2-4 for ranged slot, and you are looking at nearly 30 more acc than you are currently TPing in. Rotating these spots back to attack/haste during focus and youve just bumped your hit rate up 15% w/ the ability to each meat full time and/or switch to another march/minuet over madrigals.

I understand not every mnk has usu feet/head, and/or dont choose to use acc hands over attack while focus is down, or even cul's mantle, but there are ALOT of options nowadays for mnks to reach above and beyond their previous acc limitations. Just need to adapt a bit and start reaching your potential. That and get some more usukane to drop

Meh, a traditional MNK is still fine in Salvage. Usukane is better, sure, and may speed things a little, but it's not going to make an earth-shattering different for the most part. Since before we got to the point where we could reliably beat bosses I have been eating meat, so that is from traditional MNK to Usukane MNK. But sushi was fine back then too.

Marinara Pizza has probably changed everything though. It was delivered to dual-wielders by the hand of God... and under 30 minutes no less!

[Neosutra]

I havent made my mind up about pizza honestly. The attack on it is really low and the acc is only 10%. Feels like I get better results in salvage from better attack food.

[Darkhelmet]

Heh, well if the idea here is that anything other than full Usukane MNK is gimp, then I concede.

I'd still like to see parses of 95%+ accuracy on a MNK, eating attack food, without madrigal, on a boss.

[Neosutra]

Between feint and focus, even a "traditional" mnk should be at the cap 3 minutes out of 5. As for 95% acc during those last 2 min, I agree most mnks wont be at that while eating attack food and not getting madrigals. I however was stating there are several alternatives to mnks that dont have usukane, to better fill that gap (Noritsune Kote, Cul's mantle, acc ranged items, dont use rajas for TP >.>, haides sainti). Identifying when you want to move to a more acc build and and when you can move back to foragers mantle/attack hands/rajas) can really help you maintain that 90%+ acc and keep your hit rate rocking.

[Darkhelmet]

Yeah, I get you.. you're saying give up some of my attack and replace it with accuracy, while eating attack food. As for the Rajas ring, I like the store TP (very underrated, imo) and the subtle blow more than the stats on it, and I use the Sainti while tanking bosses.

I just don't view what you're suggesting as being a superior choice, mostly because I don't see your MNK getting capped on accuracy on a Salvage boss, even with full Usukane.

If you have to give up too many attack pieces and replace them with accuracy pieces, then the benefit you gain from eating attack food starts to diminish, and your ability to counter attacks starts to diminish as well.. and I love my countering.

I'll start parsing my boss fights to see what I find, but feel free to post some of yours. I still don't think that <85% accuracy on a salvage boss while using attack food means that your MNK is gimp, and I consider myself to have fairly high expectations.

[Uzor]

I'm not sure how removing att. gear and adding acc. would have a negative effect on counter.

If you have 80% acc, then yeah, eat acc food, but if you have 90% acc, I don't see why you should eat att. food for that extra 5% acc.

[Neosutra]

Well, lets add it up. Sushi is 15% acc. Subs are like 80 attack? (I honestly havent looked at how much it gives recently). To reach the benefit of sushi you would need 30 more acc in gear.

20 attack from hands to 10 acc. Relic+1/Bandies -> Noritsune/Usu
17 attack from back to 7 acc. Foragers/Cerb/Amemit -> Cul's
Rajas ring for 7 acc. Rajas -> Toreadors/snipers+1

Loss of 37 attack and rajas stats for almost the same acc bonus as sushi. 80 attack from sub - 37 from gear loss = 43 more attack, while maintaining the same hit rate%. Not to mention far superior DoT during focus/feint sessions due to sushi being virtually useless during focus/feint.

Once you start finishing up some usu peices you can add another 14 acc from usu feet/head, and another 7 acc from body, allowing you to keep on attack back and still be near the acc cap for most things.

[Valyana]

Sushi isn't +15% hit rate, it adds 15% of your total accuracy. My WAR/SAM has about 400 acc, so sushi gives +60.

Also note that if people are only eating colibri-class food, 52 acc from crab sushi is a lot better than 60 att from meat mithkabob if you can use the acc.

But yeah, I think the MNK in my group doesn't use much acc gear, not even Togi. I asked him why he wasn't bidding the abj at Kirin the other day and he said he already had it, just prefers Osode. >.>

[mdkuser]

Ok i parsed *arrapago* boss yesterday. But for this one, we know it for having higher evasion than other Chariots. I parsed 83% acc but noticed I didn't put all my acc gears on, after killing it (in 11 min30s). I remember another time I parsed it with full gear and had close to 90%. March+minuet as buffs of course.

so I got 83%acc with: full usukane, full merits, coeurl subs, hades sainti, no range, PCC, brutal+merman's earring, lolrajas+ ulthalam's rings, brown belt and charger's mantle.

I get almost 90% acc with: full usukane, full merits, coeurl subs, hades sainti, tiphia sting, PCC, brutal+Hollow earring ( dex 2 acc 3), toreador+ ulthalam rings, brown belt and charger's mantle.

For bhaflau boss I don't have my parses anymore but had higher acc, more than 90, almost cap ( weakend boss).

[Neosutra]

Nice to know, and @ vaylanna, yes my acc % was off, I guess I was mistake on % added and yes Sushi is really awesome, however: If you are 80% acc or higher already, anything more than 15% hit rate boost (about 30 acc) wont do much for you, so the math still works out similar.

[mdkuser]

Where does this " 2acc= 1% acc" come from anyway. I saw it a lot and used to believe it. is there heavy test or is it eye balling? doesn't seem true to me.

Edit and yea: ~85%+ acc meat wins even on mnk.

[Darkhelmet]

Ok i parsed *arrapago* boss yesterday. But for this one, we know it for having higher evasion than other Chariots. I parsed 83% acc but noticed I didn't put all my acc gears on, after killing it (in 11 min30s). I remember another time I parsed it with full gear and had close to 90%. March+minuet as buffs of course.

so I got 83%acc with: full usukane, full merits, coeurl subs, hades sainti, no range, PCC, brutal+merman's earring, lolrajas+ ulthalam's rings, brown belt and charger's mantle.

I get almost 90% acc with: full usukane, full merits, coeurl subs, hades sainti, tiphia sting, PCC, brutal+Hollow earring ( dex 2 acc 3), toreador+ ulthalam rings, brown belt and charger's mantle.

For bhaflau boss I don't have my parses anymore but had higher acc, more than 90, almost cap ( weakend boss).

I don't know man.. do you really think that adding 11 accuracy is going to raise your hit rate by 7 percent, especially going from 83 to 90?

Why is everyone so "lol" about Rajas? Store TP +5 alone is pretty good in my book.. pile that with subtle blow +5, and STR/DEX +5, and the little attack/accuracy boost you get from it, and it seems superior to a toreadors/sniper's +1... unless this has been parsed for a mob with evasion in this range. I just prefer to eat sushi and cap my accuracy on just about everything I fight, and gear up and/or determine which songs are played through that.

Anyway.. 83% is about what I'd expect with a full usukane MNK eating attack food, and honestly, I thought it would be lower than that.

2005.. meat vs. sushi :D

[Neosutra]

Basically because str doesnt do much for normal melee hits and store tp is worthless if it doesnt provide you the ability to get to 100TP in 1 less hit or more. Subtle blow is nice, but the effects of 5 SB are almost un-noticable with 2 mnks banging on the boss. So essentially you're tping in a 2.5 acc 2.5 att ring, which is inferior to a better acc ring in most cases.

As for Arrapoga boss, ya that boss is a bit evasive, and I would actually even go for using cul's mantle when focus/feint is down (if eating full meat), and maybe even one of the only bosses id eat pizza on.

[mdkuser]

rajas is lol for monk. the store tp will save you 1 attack round every... 100 round or something, even with usukane. I only use it for caped acc.