Salvage - Bhaflau Remnants - thread2

[Sheebs]

We finally saw some drops from Bhaflau Remnants!!! First floor rampart, 7 NM spawns the last one at 7% and DOUBLE DROP marduk legs and morrigan hands. Wasn't paying attention to the day/time because I am of the theory the ramparts are either off or on. Alas still no usukane feet.....damn bees.

[Uzor]

imo. day/time has absolutely nothing to do with rampart pop rates. I've found the average "active" rate is roughly 30% on the first 2 floors and 20% on the last 2 floors. That is, the chance that it will pop at least 1 NM for a full rampart.

[Bromber]

Mad Bomber 100% now..... fooken finally after about 30 runs trying to get these stupid hands for blm. GJ SE

[Fredjan]

My group killed our first LBC last night; we had issues killing the gears though (had one warp at half health due to restorals.......), so unweakened Homing Missle. Despite that, it only got off once the whole fight and hate wasn't lost for long, thankfully.

Had to cure a bit on the boss, but I suppose that's natural for LBC with how hard the bastard hits.

We had:
RDM/WHM, SCH/RDM, WHM/SCH, BRD/WHM, MNK/NINx2, THF/NIN. We usually have another person that's either WAR or DRG but he was away that night. We had some issues killing the gears in time, granted that's quite dependant on how many times they uses Restoral (I'm looking at you, gear that warps at ~50%). Just seems ideal that we try for it when all of our group's able to attend.

[Mugekuge]

My group is rdm,brd,thf/drk,blm,mnkx2,cor (cor doesnt always come) when we want to do last rampart or boss, we almost always kill al the 10 gears, the thf focus on stun while blm and dd's go all out on gears, even me as rdm nuke the gears, if gear is spamming restoral, blm is ready to stun too, if thf stun is down.

With your setup, i'd make the whm/drk or the thf/drk or both, they can focus on stun, you got enough healing there, your rdm and sch can nuke, just keep your melees haste, with songs on and dia2/3 the gears at pull, stun restoral, should be easy to kill them all before warp.

[Fredjan]

The WHM is me, and my DRK's a whole level 11 (though I plan to level it for my RDM). Don't think our THF has DRK leveled either.

What songs seem ideal for it? I've never questioned it, though it does have me curious. When I'm on BRD I usually do Minuet+March and Marchx2 on boss (both our mnks have black belt, etc), though last night the BRD did double march most of the time. I'm going to remind our RDM not to cast Bio on gears, because I think they did that last night.

We've yet to do Salvage with a BLM also (granted, if anyone comes BLM in my group it's me). We've killed all 10 gears before even with 2 restorals used, but we also had more DD. Also, Blizzard spells would work best I assume?

[Mugekuge]

brd uses march and minuet, dd's can try to sc too, since sc damage is nice on gears, you really don't need more than 2 mnk to kill the gears, if the rdm and sch nukes.

[Dremir]

guys what about new mad bomber popping method?

[Bromber]

madbomber pops 100% now

[Dremir]

Every time without ANY mode to trigger it?COOOL *_*

[Thorny]

Went in today and it was up as usual without doing anything special(killed 2 bombs otw to it), most likely just 100% as someone else said.

[Hanyoko]

Update Notes

The following changes have been made to Salvage:
* Silver Sea Remnants: With certain conditions fulfilled, the rate at which NMs drop treasure items will increase slightly.
* Bhaflau Remnants: The spawning requirements for the NM "Mad Bomber" have been adjusted so that it will appear regardless of the route chosen by the player.

yes Mad Bomber spawns 100% now....

[Zhero]

I hear that the rampart pops are in a pattern, anyone come to this theory

[Uzor]

the pattern is that there is no pattern...

or at least not one people has found yet. SE claims there is one, but their interview answer was contradictive as they also said it is random.

[Sheebs]

So it had been a long time since we saw a pephredo pop...and we were getting desperate. So we enter on darksday, get to the rampart, have the rdm pull with Blind (element of the day we entered on and POP, Perphredo is the first bee out. 3 NM pops later and we had some 35 usukane feet! Coincidence...perhaps, but hey, I know we will be trying it again.

Oh and btw it remained darksday since we entered, got rampart and killed it.

[Ahlah]

Think your group just got lucky. Tried that many times, I am sure other groups did the same thing before.

The only conclusion I can draw from BR ramparts is that if NMs don't pop prior to 50% HP mark it's better to kill the rampart and move on.

[Crizto]

Think your group just got lucky. Tried that many times, I am sure other groups did the same thing before.

The only conclusion I can draw from BR ramparts is that if NMs don't pop prior to 50% HP mark it's better to kill the rampart and move on.

Yeah that's pretty much what most people do on Ramparts. Although one time we had one Gate Widow pop at 2% (being the only pop) and it ended up dropping Macha's Cuffs.

[Tudor]

Few days ago we had Gate Widow popping at 26, 15 and 2%... which makes leaving at 50% kinda dumb (unless you wanna make sure you have time for other stuff)

[Uzor]

As has been said before, NM's can pop below 50% as well, even if no NM's have popped before the 50% mark. We've actually had no NM's > pop at 47% > no NM's occur as well.

The reason most groups choose to kill it at 50% is because if no NM's popped before 50%, it is possible none (or only 1) will pop below 50%, and thus decide to try their luck on another rampart instead.

[Kaylia]

Few days ago we had Gate Widow popping at 26, 15 and 2%... which makes leaving at 50% kinda dumb (unless you wanna make sure you have time for other stuff)

It's a calculated risk.

The average spawn rate for a NM is either 0% or ~5%. Assuming a normal distribution, seeing a "good" rampart not pop anything at the 50% mark is 8% (0.6% to see a "good" rampart not pop anything at all).

Because ~9 rampart out of 10 are dud, the chance you miss a good one is less than 1%.

Missing 0.8 good rampart every 100 rampart is going to cost you an average of 2 NMs every 50 NMs, which mean 4% less loot on this rampart for spending half of the time, and allowing you to hit an additional rampart.